Repressing your instincts

[Spinrad]

I think modern rape is a different animal than ancient rape, on a certain level, and the same on a another level. Ancient rape was a logical thing. Tribe conquers other tribe, rapes their women and kills their children. Nasty stuff, but logical. My DNA will be the DNA that will populate this region now, not the tribe I attacked. So it's certainly sexual at it's base, but it also has very much to do with aggression and dominance.

I think modern rape has the same basic mechanism, but is sort of a vestigal remnant of ancient behaviors. As always, modern man has created an environment where survival is as good as assured, so things such as rape and war and murder and all those things are simply not necessary, and are actually and rightly considered brutal and ...well.. barbaric. But I think it's silly to try to divorce rape from either power or sexuality. I think it can be shown to have vital components of both, and if we really want to deal with it we will deal with it in both aspects.

 

[belladonic-haze]

I think modern rape is a different animal than ancient rape, on a certain level, and the same on a another level. Ancient rape was a logical thing. Tribe conquers other tribe, rapes their women and kills their children. Nasty stuff, but logical. My DNA will be the DNA that will populate this region now, not the tribe I attacked. So it's certainly sexual at it's base, but it also has very much to do with aggression and dominance.

I think modern rape has the same basic mechanism, but is sort of a vestigal remnant of ancient behaviors. As always, modern man has created an environment where survival is as good as assured, so things such as rape and war and murder and all those things are simply not necessary, and are actually and rightly considered brutal and ...well.. barbaric. But I think it's silly to try to divorce rape from either power or sexuality. I think it can be shown to have vital components of both, and if we really want to deal with it we will deal with it in both aspects.

Rape is rape.....simple......

 

[Spinrad]

Rape is rape.....simple......

Nothing is that simple, kiddo. Nothing. If rape is rape..get used to it because it ain't going no place. If rape is something deeper...maybe we can find a way to solve that deeper problem? What do you think?

 

[Helo]

Nothing is that simple, kiddo. Nothing. If rape is rape..get used to it because it ain't going no place. If rape is something deeper...maybe we can find a way to solve that deeper problem? What do you think?

Actually I think the best way to relieve sex crimes is to loosen certain laws and to legalize prostitution.

There are the obvious freaks who will NEVER be happy with prostitutes(Necrophilliacs and pedophiles) but I think alot of problems can be solved by legalizing and regulating prostitution. Historically its been very effective

 

[Spinrad]

Actually I think the best way to relieve sex crimes is to loosen certain laws and to legalize prostitution.

There are the obvious freaks who will NEVER be happy with prostitutes(Necrophilliacs and pedophiles) but I think alot of problems can be solved by legalizing and regulating prostitution. Historically its been very effective

I don't dissagree. I believe that a lot of the bizzare behavior we see in modern day deviants stems from forcing behaviors that fly in the face of natural instincts wuithout really giving anyone an alternative release. Sports, to some degree, can relieve some physical aggression, but then we turn around and shove competitiveness down people's throats, more or less negating the positive aspects of sports. And for those who can't play a sport with success, what is there? Physics club? Chess? I found a real great release in music and alcoholic binge drinking. I was pretty lucky because I am not the kind of person who gets addicted to things. But I wouldn't recomend it to everyone. Or anyone, really.

We as a society, assuming we actually WANT to improve our relationships, and I am not convinced we do, need sdome progressive ideas about things like sex, agression, competition, selfishness and self worth. Whatever we have been doing sucked.

 

[levi501]

And people who visit prostitutes are not rapists to be. That is the most silly thing I have ever heard......

never said they were.
I said that areas where prostitution is legal notice decreases in sex crimes thereby suggesting that for at least some rapists sexual frustration of some sort is a motivation. So in consideration, the chant that "Rape has nothing to do with sex" seems oversimplified and for some incorrect.

 

[Helo]

I said that areas where prostitution is legal notice decreases in sex crimes thereby suggesting that for at least some rapists sexual frustration of some sort is a motivation. Because of this, the chant that, "Rape has nothing to do with sex" seems oversimplified and for some incorrect.

As someone who has done research for almost 5 years on psychology and in particular the psychology of sex crimes which included talking to convicted rapists, I can tell you that rape very very rarely has anything to do with the sex itself. A rapist gets off on power and control or on the humiliation and breaking of annother human being. What better way to shatter someone's barriers than to have sex with them when they didnt ask? Its that power they get off on, some rapists cant even get it up unless they have that feeling.

And "sex crimes" covers a broad spectrum of acts.

I don't dissagree. I believe that a lot of the bizzare behavior we see in modern day deviants stems from forcing behaviors that fly in the face of natural instincts wuithout really giving anyone an alternative release. Sports, to some degree, can relieve some physical aggression, but then we turn around and shove competitiveness down people's throats, more or less negating the positive aspects of sports. And for those who can't play a sport with success, what is there? Physics club? Chess? I found a real great release in music and alcoholic binge drinking. I was pretty lucky because I am not the kind of person who gets addicted to things. But I wouldn't recomend it to everyone. Or anyone, really.

Your right, part of the reason some people dont play sports is that we're too competitive a society, you HAVE to win or else you arent any good.

Plus people have low self-confidence and think they cant play whatever it is theyre trying to play. Sex acts that we consider deviant are usually done by people who have problems with confidence, sometimes stemming from thier particular kink.

 

[Spinrad]

But what we do instead of working to find better ways is run back to superstition, avarice and tribalism. It's funny to me that the problems we face are often the same mechanically as the solutions we offer. What the hell did I bother evolving a cerebral cortex for again? To better dominate my environment? Oh yeah.

 

[levi501]

As someone who has done research for almost 5 years on psychology and in particular the psychology of sex crimes which included talking to convicted rapists, I can tell you that rape very very rarely has anything to do with the sex itself. A rapist gets off on power and control or on the humiliation and breaking of annother human being. What better way to shatter someone's barriers than to have sex with them when they didnt ask? Its that power they get off on, some rapists cant even get it up unless they have that feeling.

So mr. expert is it your contention that men that use rohypnol or take advantage of an inebriated woman do it without any sexual motivation? I'm not denying the feeling of power that rapists receive, I'm saying for some sex or sexual frustration is part of their motivation.

 

[Helo]

So mr. expert is it your contention that men that use rohypnol or take advantage of an inebriated woman do it without any sexual motivation? I'm not denying the feeling of power that rapists receive, I'm saying for some sex or sexual frustration is part of their motivation.

Thats how alot of rapists STARTED, was by drugging girls and having sex. They started finding out that they enjoyed the feeling of domination, of total control. Drugging is the first step in the road to rape, some people take the second, some dont. Its like cruelty to animals, which is a childhood habbit of many serial killers.

But what we do instead of working to find better ways is run back to superstition, avarice and tribalism. It's funny to me that the problems we face are often the same mechanically as the solutions we offer. What the hell did I bother evolving a cerebral cortex for again? To better dominate my environment? Oh yeah.

Religion has its place, personally I think people are ODing on it but I think religion has its place in the world

 

[Spinrad]

Religion has its place, personally I think people are ODing on it but I think religion has its place in the world

I dissagree with vehemence. I believe religion is one of the reasons we don't progress. We can't get away from the alcohol, and so very few are strong enough to simply not take a drink.

 

[charityagape]

Binge drinking on religion?

 

[Spinrad]

Binge drinking on religion?

Yes.

 

[Helo]

I dissagree with vehemence. I believe religion is one of the reasons we don't progress. We can't get away from the alcohol, and so very few are strong enough to simply not take a drink.

Religion causes us not to progress because we take too much of it, we make it too much a part of what we do. Religion belongs in three places, in your place of worship, in your home, and your heart and NOWHERE else.

Religion gives people something to hang on to, something to believe in.

 

[Spinrad]

Religion causes us not to progress because we take too much of it, we make it too much a part of what we do. Religion belongs in three places, in your place of worship, in your home, and your heart and NOWHERE else.

Religion gives people something to hang on to, something to believe in.

Because there isn't enough without it? Then it seems to me trying to really solve problems like rape and war is as pointless as trying to make a newborn explain quantum theory.

 

[Helo]

Because there isn't enough without it? Then it seems to me trying to really solve problems like rape and war is as pointless as trying to make a newborn explain quantum theory.

I dont think religion SOLVES anything, but it gives people a reason to go on, a reason to get up. And I dont think its a bad thing to have too many of those.

 

[Spinrad]

I dont think religion SOLVES anything, but it gives people a reason to go on, a reason to get up. And I dont think its a bad thing to have too many of those.

I don't want to sound too whatever, but frankly if the only thing that gets you up in the morning is a fantasy...don't bother. There are planty of others who can do what you do.

 

[Helo]

I don't want to sound too whatever, but frankly if the only thing that gets you up in the morning is a fantasy...don't bother. There are planty of others who can do what you do.

Does it really matter what it is? I mean if its something that can make someone get up after falling down or fight that much harder for something, does what it really is matter?

 

[Spinrad]

Does it really matter what it is? I mean if its something that can make someone get up after falling down or fight that much harder for something, does what it really is matter?

Yes. Because it is the same thing that knocks so many down and want to fight in the first place. And it's NOTHING.

 

[Helo]

Yes. Because it is the same thing that knocks so many down and want to fight in the first place. And it's NOTHING.

Ive interacted with people who HAVE nothing left but thier faith and that was the only thing that helped them get out of a bad situation.

That in and of itself tells me that religion DOES have a place in our society, but we put far too much emphasis on it, and like any good thing, too much is a bad thing and the reason behind WHY it knocks so many people down in the first place because they OD on religion