I'm not on board with removing those that are here legally.
And according to that article things are not as rosy as you are making them out to be.
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I'm not on board with removing those that are here legally.Donald has declared he would round up all these hardworking people and force them out of the country en masse - despite their being here legally. Are you on board with that?
So, I'm guessing that you frequent the Dayton/ Springfield area often? Or, did you get your information from MSNBC's Joy Reid?Utter nonsense. Springfield was a dying city. Haitian immigrants, here legally, resuscitated the area. The locals now have more businesses to work for and shop at, not fewer.
Donald has declared he would round up all these hardworking people and force them out of the country en masse - despite their being here legally. Are you on board with that?
Yeah, insults are bad arguments. Do you have anything of substance to say?So, I'm guessing that you frequent the Dayton/ Springfield area often? Or, did you get your information from MSNBC's Joy Reid?
This shows rhe problems of massive immigration allowance. It puts a burden upon communities to deal with it. Often, communities that are NOT prepared. When you send thousands of people into communities and do not provide them the real support that is needed you end up with things like this.
Why is your solution stagnation instead of building to accommodate them?This is just another example of why we need to put a stop to it. We are no longer the country that can just take anyone and everyone. Every community that is taking these folks is over burdened don't have the infrastructure for it.
Until we can figure out how to do it so this doesn't happen it's nothing more than tragic for everyone involved.
Building an infrastructure does take time.They weren't "sent" there. They moved there for the prospect of work and to be around other Haitians who'd already moved there - the same phenomenon that's been populating and growing our nation since before it formally existed.
Why is your solution stagnation instead of building to accommodate them?
Sure, but we're not talking about that much more people and we're not talking about more than the city has, historically been able to accommodate.Building an infrastructure does take time.
The main issues were not with housing, though there were some. But it was schools and medical facilities and basically everything else. Try a town of 50k suddenly in two years growing to nearly 70K. That's a lot of growth to accommodate. And they aren't close enough to either big city to commute.Sure, but we're not talking about that much more people and we're not talking about more than the city has, historically been able to accommodate.
As of 2020, the city had about 58,000 people. As recently as 2000, it had 65,000:
In 1940, it had over 70,000:
Springfield, Ohio At a Glance – page 25
typed overview of Springfield as a desirable location for business and industryarchives.ccplohio.org
I didn't bother finding anything between 1940 and 2000, but if my experience elsewhere in the rust belt is any indication, the population was probably pretty steady throughout that period. I'd guess that it peaked a bit higher than that in the 60's or 70's and then started turning down in the 80's or early 90's.
The estimates I've seen for the number of Haitians who've moved to the city is between 12-15,000. Even if we assume that none of them were counted in the 2020 census (which is probably mostly correct, but not entirely correct), that would still only put the total number of people up around the 70,000 mark that the city managed to accommodate for most of the second half of the 20th century. Yes, there's going to be some strain, but it's not an insurmountable problem. You already have the roads and sewers, and most of the buildings and other utilities you need. You probably need help with labor-intensive services like hospitals and schools. It'll take work, but it's doable.
Is that any excuse to declare over and over to a national audience,” They’re eating the cats. They’re eating the dogs. They’re eating the pets”?The main issues were not with housing, though there were some. But it was schools and medical facilities and basically everything else. Try a town of 50k suddenly in two years growing to nearly 70K. That's a lot of growth to accommodate. And they aren't close enough to either big city to commute.
Where is the insult? Isn't Joy Reid and MSNBC the pinnacle of fair and balanced journalism?Yeah, insults are bad arguments. Do you have anything of substance to say?
I've already voted and did not vote for Trump. So you are barking up the wrong tree.Is that any excuse to declare over and over to a national audience,” They’re eating the cats. They’re eating the dogs. They’re eating the pets”?
Sure, with growth there are growing pains but it appears that the Haitians have been a net positive for Springfield.
Good for you.I've already voted and did not vote for Trump.
I don't see a discussion as barking up a tree. But yeah, you may be a wrong tree if you can't discuss the issues.So you are barking up the wrong tree.
Dog whistle.Where is the insult? Isn't Joy Reid and MSNBC the pinnacle of fair and balanced journalism?
When do you do that? Right now people come and just willy nilly go wherever. Putting a burden on the infrastructure. It takes time to build that up. We should be creating the infrastructure ahead of time. We aren't dealing with wealthy people, but poor people. Who don't have money and will not generate enough to build what needs to be built. This cou try is not set up for this. Stop the huge influx of people and do this properly. Allowing in only the amount rhat we can provide the services for.Why is your solution stagnation instead of building to accommodate them?
Oh I can discuss the issues.Good for you.
I don't see a discussion as barking up a tree. But yeah, you may be a wrong tree if you can't discuss the issues.
Dog whistle.
Can't or won't amounts to the same thing.Oh I can discuss the issues.
Whether or not I choose to discuss them with you remains to be seen.
Good day to you, ma"am! ("Can't" and "won't" don't mean the same thing, which is why they have different definitions.)Can't or won't amounts to the same thing.
I'll just discuss issues with other people willing to do so. Good day, ma'am.
This seems to be pointing out what we have been saying all along. Illegal immigrants and masses of asylum seekers are putting a strain on our communities. It's obvious people have compassion for them. We all do. But we are not prepared for the problems they bring with them. Just letting them flood the communities is wrong headed. They shouldn't be allowed to do that. We need to seal rhe border now, get this under control, remove the fakes and illegals and start building a system where only the number of people we can prepare for will be allowed in. People who are properly vetted before being released.Whitewater WI...
How a small Wisconsin community is responding to a recent migrant surge
Complications resulting from an influx of migrants aren’t limited to big cities like New York and Chicago. PBS Wisconsin’s Nathan Denzin went to the small city of Whitewater in southern Wisconsin and reports on the effects there.www.pbs.org
How the border surge upended a small Wisconsin town
To its residents, Whitewater, Wisconsin, was a sleepy college town of about 15,000 — until a thousand migrants arrived in 2022 and 2023, straining the community’s resources beyond the breaking point.www.washingtontimes.com
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