Report: Abstinence programs don't work

[mhager]

Ahh, the goal post shift.

So now they not only need to be doctors, they need to not have secondary degrees or be part of a group you question. Gotcha.

Am I correct in saying that unless the authors say what you want them to say and they do not have any further training in any other fields you will question their objectivity?

Ater repeated requests for a response, NeTrips, I can only conclude that you are not going to respond to me. I am unhappy to see such behavior on what is supposed to be a debate forum, but I am not surprised. I have often seen people advocating a weak, unrealistic position refuse to engage.

 

[NeTrips]

Ater repeated requests for a response, NeTrips, I can only conclude that you are not going to respond to me. I am unhappy to see such behavior on what is supposed to be a debate forum, but I am not surprised. I have often seen people advocating a weak, unrealistic position refuse to engage.

You seem to have missed the point. Let me help you.

I have not advocated for any position pro or con on the issue of abstinence education. I simply pointed out the facts that led me to believe the OP article was not objective. I also posted article in favor of Abstinence education which also had the same lack of objectivity. Lastly, I posted an article which satisfied the original claims of what was held to be objective - written by doctors.

I have not stated my opinions on abstinence education, so i am confused as to why you wish me to address your suppositions, but I am not surprised. I have often seen people swinging at shadows, it's actually quite entertaining.

 

[mhager]

You seem to have missed the point. Let me help you.

I have not advocated for any position pro or con on the issue of abstinence education. I simply pointed out the facts that led me to believe the OP article was not objective. I also posted article in favor of Abstinence education which also had the same lack of objectivity. Lastly, I posted an article which satisfied the original claims of what was held to be objective - written by doctors.

I have not stated my opinions on abstinence education, so i am confused as to why you wish me to address your suppositions, but I am not surprised. I have often seen people swinging at shadows, it's actually quite entertaining.

Ah. Very well. I was mistaken. Still, your position is pretty clearly inferred and I think I may be forgiven for expecting you to defend so obvious a bias. It is certainly your right to not take a stand for so dubious a position, one which I and, I would guess, many other are nearly certain you hold.

My apologies.

So, unless you are going to continue hiding, what is your position?

 

[platzapS]

Fact: Sexually active teens are more likely to be depressed and to attempt suicide.
Sexually active teens are less likely to be happy, more likely to be depressed, and more likely to attempt suicide. Teenage girls who are sexually active are three times more likely to be depressed and three times more likely to attempt suicide than girls who are not active. Teenage boys who are sexually active are more than twice as likely to be depressed and are almost ten times more likely to attempt suicide than boys who are not active.

Correlation =/= Causation. You would have to show one caused the other, not just that they were related. I bet you'd find a positive correlation between teenage sex and, say, vandalism, but that doesn't mean one causes the other.

 

[Steezie]

Ahh, the goal post shift.

So now they not only need to be doctors, they need to not have secondary degrees or be part of a group you question. Gotcha.

Am I correct in saying that unless the authors say what you want them to say and they do not have any further training in any other fields you will question their objectivity?

When most (if not all) of the doctors are from an organization that pushes abstinence-only, I have issues with the objectivity of what they say

 

[NeTrips]

When most (if not all) of the doctors are from an organization that pushes abstinence-only, I have issues with the objectivity of what they say

please post the link to where it states they promote abstinence only. I know they promote abstinence education/training, but I didn't see anything about abstinence only. Maybe I missed it.

 

[SaintInChicago]

Report: Mac OSX better than Windows, Steve Jobs says.

 

[KomissarSteve]

Report: Mac OSX better than Windows, Steve Jobs says.

Bit of a difference between one man's opinion, and an actual study conducted by a credible research group, wouldn't you say?

 

[NeTrips]

ground breaking news: Foxes report that chickens really don't need to be protected.

 

[KomissarSteve]

ground breaking news: Foxes report that chickens really don't need to be protected.

Bad analogy; those that advocate comprehensive sex ed aren't predators.

Also, again - opinions vs. actual research data? Kind of an important distinction, dude.

 

[Brennin]

When most (if not all) of the doctors are from an organization that pushes abstinence-only, I have issues with the objectivity of what they say

To dismiss them out-of-hand is a fine example of argumentum ad hominem.

 

[Steezie]

To dismiss them out-of-hand is a fine example of argumentum ad hominem.

Its a valid concern.

Would you accept the testimony of a die-hard NRA member about gun control? Or the testimony of a life-long vegetarian about the safety of beef?

 

[Brennin]

Its a valid concern.

Would you accept the testimony of a die-hard NRA member about gun control? Or the testimony of a life-long vegetarian about the safety of beef?

Not uncritically, but you can't dismiss an argument based solely on the person arguing it.

 

[KomissarSteve]

Not uncritically, but you can't dismiss an argument based solely on the person arguing it.

I don't think anyone's doing that, though - we're just taking that factor into account as we weigh the evidence from both arguments.

 

[Steezie]

Not uncritically, but you can't dismiss an argument based solely on the person arguing it.

Not out of hand, but the argument itself loses much of its merit when presented from a biased source.

 

[NeTrips]

Not out of hand, but the argument itself loses much of its merit when presented from a biased source.

that was the point of my original post in this thread. The OP article was prepared with the involvement of Planned parenthood, MTV, Whoopi Goldberg, etc. IMO it has lost any hope of credibility as soon as that is known, then throw in the fact the ones actually conducting the study were employees of a company who profits from the creation and sale of sex ed material and who's competition includes the creators and sellers of abstinence eduaction material.

I hope you can agree that the OP article cannot be deemed objective in this light.