Replacement Theology

[coraline]

Defining Israel, by Pastor Curtis:

Now the promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. He does not say, "And to seeds," as referring to many, but rather to one, "And to your seed," that is, Christ. Galatians 3:16 NASB​

In Isaiah 41:8 the Servant is called, the "Descendant of Abraham" and Paul says it is not referring to many, but One. Christians are Abraham's seed, and the heirs to the promises, only because by faith, we are united to him who alone is the true Israel, Abraham's one seed--Jesus.

in order that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we would receive the promise of the Spirit through faith. Galatians 3:14 NASB​

We inherit all the promises made to Abraham through Christ. Everything we are and have is by virtue of our union with Christ, which only comes by faith. Listen carefully, the Abrahamic Covenant was a promise made to Abraham and to Jesus Christ, the seed of Abraham; that He would be made great, the father of many nations, and that in Him would all the nations of the earth be blessed. This promise was fulfilled spiritually and ultimately in Christ.
In Exodus Israel is called, "God's son":

"Then you shall say to Pharaoh, 'Thus says the LORD, "Israel is My son, My firstborn. Exodus 4:22 NASB​

But Paul calls Jesus, "God's Son":

who was declared the Son of God with power by the resurrection from the dead, according to the Spirit of holiness, Jesus Christ our Lord, Romans 1:4 NASB​

Paul also calls Jesus, "God's firstborn":

He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. Colossians 1:15 NASB​

By calling Jesus the Son, Paul now assigns to Jesus the designation for Israel as God's son. Making Jesus the True Israel. And since Jesus is God's true Son, then membership in the people of God depends on being rightly related to Jesus. Apart from a relationship to Jesus, you cannot be a true Israelite.
The Psalmist calls Egypt, "God's vine":

You removed a vine from Egypt; You drove out the nations and planted it. Psalms 80:8 NASB​

Israel is the vine, we already saw this in Isaiah 5. But notice what Jesus called Himself:

"I am the true vine, and My Father is the vinedresser. John 15:1 NASB​

Jesus Christ is the True Israel and only in Him are the promises of God fulfilled:

For as many as are the promises of God, in Him they are yes; therefore also through Him is our Amen to the glory of God through us. 2 Corinthians 1:20 NASB​

Jesus, as the True Israel, received the promises of God that were passed down from the fathers (i.e. Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob). He was the second Adam, obeying in every place where the first Adam failed to obey, He was as true Israel--obeying where Old Covenant Israel failed to obey. We see this in His temptation in the wilderness. Where national Israel failed, Christ obeyed. In every way that Israel proved to be the unrighteous son, Jesus proved that He was the righteous Son.
What Paul preached does not speak against the promises of God. Israel is God's people by faith, and all who believe in Christ receive the promises that God made to Israel. The Church, those of us who have trusted Christ, are the Israel of God. Believers, and only believers, are "true Jews."

For neither is circumcision anything, nor uncircumcision, but a new creation. And those who will walk by this rule, peace and mercy be upon them, and upon the Israel of God. Galatians 6:15-16 NASB​

To understand that God keeps His covenant promises, you MUST understand that not all Israel is really Israel. Later in this chapter Paul quotes from Isaiah:

For though your people, O Israel, may be like the sand of the sea, Only a remnant within them will return; A destruction is determined, overflowing with righteousness. Isaiah 10:22 NASB​

The promises are not to all of Israel, but only to a remnant.
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Yes, Isaiah surely prophesied "a destruction!" So did Malachi in ch.4!

Luke 21:20-24,

20 “But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation is near. 21 Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those who are in the midst of her depart, and let not those who are in the country enter her. 22 For these are the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.

AD66-70. I guess some of Israel (the majority of them) weren't saved after all.

Their fleshly, material desire for a physical kingdom on earth wasn't what God planned.

 

[JLB777]

The promises are not to all of Israel, but only to a remnant.

Yes, a remnant of Israel.

JLB

 

[coraline]

Yes, a remnant of Israel.

JLB

God always kept a remnant of Israel throughout the OT for His holy name.

Paul said in Rom.9:5 (AD 58) 5 So too, at the present time there is a

remnant chosen by grace.

And the "all Israel" that was "saved" / from God's wrath, -

the Roman/Jewish war that culminated with the destruction of the

temple- were those of true Israel, Hebrew and Gentile Christians.

(Not a single Christian was killed in the war in AD66-70)

 

[JLB777]

God always kept a remnant of Israel throughout the OT for His holy name.

Paul said in Rom.9:5 (AD 58) 5 So too, at the present time there is a

remnant chosen by grace.

And the "all Israel" that was "saved" / from God's wrath, -

the Roman/Jewish war that culminated with the destruction of the

temple- were those of true Israel, Hebrew and Gentile Christians.

(Not a single Christian was killed in the war in AD66-70)

A remnant of Israel has nothing to do with Gentile Christians, nor does the topic of Roman 11, specifically the phrase All Israel will be saved.

Israel is a reference to the Jews after the flesh, and has nothing to do with the events of 70AD, and the destruction of the Temple.

13 For I speak to you Gentiles; inasmuch as I am an apostle to the Gentiles, I magnify my ministry, 14 if by any means I may provoke to jealousy those who are my flesh and save some of them. 15 For if their being cast away is the reconciling of the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead? 16 For if the firstfruit is holy, the lump is also holy; and if the root is holy, so are the branches. 17 And if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive tree, were grafted in among them, and with them became a partaker of the root and fatness of the olive tree, 18 do not boast against the branches. But if you do boast, remember that you do not support the root, but the root supports you. 19 You will say then, "Branches were broken off that I might be grafted in." 20 Well said. Because of unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by faith. Do not be haughty, but fear. 21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, He may not spare you either. 22 Therefore consider the goodness and severity of God: on those who fell, severity; but toward you, goodness, if you continue in His goodness. Otherwise you also will be cut off. 23 And they also, if they do not continue in unbelief, will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again. 24 For if you were cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and were grafted contrary to nature into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these, who are natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree? 25 For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. 26 And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written: "The Deliverer will come out of Zion, And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob; 27 For this is My covenant with them, When I take away their sins."

Israel is a reference to the Jews, Paul's countrymen after the flesh.

"ISRAEL" IS NOT A REFERENCE TO GENTILE CHRISTIANS, AS PAUL MAKES CLEAR THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN GENTILES AND HIS COUNTRYMEN AFTER THE FLESH!

The ones who have been blinded are also the ones who will be saved!


JLB

 

[coraline]

Ih yes, the mystery of Jew and Gentile in Christ showed we are the Israel of God.
Why do you think Paul was the apostle to the gentiles?

Not all that descended from Israel (Jacob) are Israel.

So stop passionately defending the Jewish rejection of Christ. I hate that.

They weren't saved, they were destroyed for their transgressions and for killing the Lord of Glory!
When Gentiles become spiritual descendants of Abraham through faith in Jesus Christ, they become part of this subset also, part of remnant Israel. That believing Gentiles are placed within remnant Israel is clearly shown by Paul's illustration of the olive tree.
If the part of the dough offered as firstfruits is holy, then the whole batch is holy; if the root is holy, so are the branches. If some of the branches have been broken off, and you, though a wild olive shoot, have been grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing sap from the olive root, do not boast over those branches. If you do, consider this: You do not support the root, but the root supports you.
You will say then, "Branches were broken off so that I could be grafted in." Granted. But they were broken off because of unbelief, and you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but be afraid. For if God did not spare the natural branches, he will not spare you either.

All Jewish genealogies ended with Christ.

 

[JLB777]

Ih yes, the mystery of Jew and Gentile in Christ showed we are the Israel of God.
Why do you think Paul was the apostle to the gentiles?

Not all that descended from Israel (Jacob) are Israel.

So stop passionately defending the Jewish rejection of Christ. I hate that.

They weren't saved, they were destroyed for their transgressions and for killing the Lord of Glory!
When Gentiles become spiritual descendants of Abraham through faith in Jesus Christ, they become part of this subset also, part of remnant Israel. That believing Gentiles are placed within remnant Israel is clearly shown by Paul's illustration of the olive tree.
If the part of the dough offered as firstfruits is holy, then the whole batch is holy; if the root is holy, so are the branches. If some of the branches have been broken off, and you, though a wild olive shoot, have been grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing sap from the olive root, do not boast over those branches. If you do, consider this: You do not support the root, but the root supports you.
You will say then, "Branches were broken off so that I could be grafted in." Granted. But they were broken off because of unbelief, and you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but be afraid. For if God did not spare the natural branches, he will not spare you either.

All Jewish genealogies ended with Christ.

Why would you try to validate your belief about Romans 11, by saying Paul was an Apostle to the Gentiles.

We are discussing Romans 11, and who is Israel in those verse's.

I have shown clearly that Paul was speaking of natural Israel.

Now you want to change to focus of who Paul was referring to in Romans 11 because you see the truth.

This ploy is typical of those who have an agenda of introducing the seeds of Heresy into forum topics.

JLB

 

[coraline]

Why would you try to validate your belief about Romans 11, by saying Paul was an Apostle to the Gentiles.

We are discussing Romans 11, and who is Israel in those verse's.

I have shown clearly that Paul was speaking of natural Israel.

Now you want to change to focus of who Paul was referring to in Romans 11 because you see the truth.

This ploy is typical of those who have an agenda of introducing the seeds of Heresy into forum topics.

JLB

Exactly, and if you can't understand what Paul says who is "all Israel" is then we need to show you what the Father and Son says about Israel.

One more time for you on Paul's passages to Gentile Christians in Rome.

(This topic is getting worn out and I think the thread should be closed if no else has anything new to add)

Rom. 11-
13 I am talking to you Gentiles. Inasmuch as I am the apostle to the Gentiles, I take pride in my ministry 14 in the hope that I may somehow arouse my own people to envy and save some of them. 15 For if their rejection brought reconciliation to the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead? 16 If the part of the dough offered as firstfruits is holy, then the whole batch is holy; if the root is holy, so are the branches.
17 If some of the branches have been broken off, and you, though a wild olive shoot, have been grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing sap from the olive root, 18 do not consider yourself to be superior to those other branches. If you do, consider this: You do not support the root, but the root supports you. 19 You will say then, “Branches were broken off so that I could be grafted in.” 20 Granted. But they were broken off because of unbelief, and you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but tremble. 21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, he will not spare you either.
22 Consider therefore the kindness and sternness of God: sternness to those who fell, but kindness to you, provided that you continue in his kindness. Otherwise, you also will be cut off. 23 And if they do not persist in unbelief, they will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again. 24 After all, if you were cut out of an olive tree that is wild by nature, and contrary to nature were grafted into a cultivated olive tree, how much more readily will these, the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree!
All Israel Will Be Saved

25 I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers and sisters, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in, (as stated b4, the translation is 'part of Israel was hardened until the 'fulness' of the gentiles has come in. meaning a quality of maturing in the infant church)26 and in this way[e] all Israel will be saved. As it is written:
“The deliverer will come from Zion;
he will turn godlessness away from Jacob.
27 And this is[f] my covenant with them
when I take away their sins.”[g](did the Jews after the flesh accept Christ, enter God's "new covenant" & receive forgiveness for their sins? No. And they didn't go to Abraham's bosom when they died (See Luke 16)


28As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies for your sake; but as far as election is concerned, they are loved on account of the patriarchs,(stop! this is only for the remnant - "Abraham 's bosom" Hebrews) 29 for God’s gifts and his call are irrevocable. 30 Just as you who were at one time disobedient to God have now received mercy as a result of their disobedience, 31 so they too have now become disobedient in order that they too may now[h] receive mercy as a result of God’s mercy to you. 32 For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.
(Here is the clincher where Paul says that the gentiles and some of his fellow countrymen would call on the Lord and be "saved" before God's wrath. (on the synagogue of Satan Jews) That is what Paul means in saying "for God's calling is irrevocable," )
[All italics mine]

Therefore, those who entered God's Covenant of Grace in Christ weren't subject to God striking the land with a curse - Malachi 4
(God's plan to have the heathen Romans sack Jerusalem & their temple in AD70)

The Jews were no longer God's chosen people.

But you say they still are, JLB?

 

[JLB777]

Exactly, and if you can't understand what Paul says who is "all Israel" is then we need to show you what the Father and Son says about Israel.

One more time for you on Paul's passages to Gentile Christians in Rome.

(This topic is getting worn out and I think the thread should be closed if no else has anything new to add)

Rom. 11-
13 I am talking to you Gentiles. Inasmuch as I am the apostle to the Gentiles, I take pride in my ministry 14 in the hope that I may somehow arouse my own people to envy and save some of them. 15 For if their rejection brought reconciliation to the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead? 16 If the part of the dough offered as firstfruits is holy, then the whole batch is holy; if the root is holy, so are the branches.
17 If some of the branches have been broken off, and you, though a wild olive shoot, have been grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing sap from the olive root, 18 do not consider yourself to be superior to those other branches. If you do, consider this: You do not support the root, but the root supports you. 19 You will say then, “Branches were broken off so that I could be grafted in.” 20 Granted. But they were broken off because of unbelief, and you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but tremble. 21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, he will not spare you either.
22 Consider therefore the kindness and sternness of God: sternness to those who fell, but kindness to you, provided that you continue in his kindness. Otherwise, you also will be cut off. 23 And if they do not persist in unbelief, they will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again. 24 After all, if you were cut out of an olive tree that is wild by nature, and contrary to nature were grafted into a cultivated olive tree, how much more readily will these, the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree!
All Israel Will Be Saved

25 I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers and sisters, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in, (as stated b4, the translation is 'part of Israel was hardened until the 'fulness' of the gentiles has come in. meaning a quality of maturing in the infant church)26 and in this way[e] all Israel will be saved. As it is written:
“The deliverer will come from Zion;
he will turn godlessness away from Jacob.
27 And this is[f] my covenant with them
when I take away their sins.”[g](did the Jews after the flesh accept Christ, enter God's "new covenant" & receive forgiveness for their sins? No. And they didn't go to Abraham's bosom when they died (See Luke 16)


28As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies for your sake; but as far as election is concerned, they are loved on account of the patriarchs,(stop! this is only for the remnant - "Abraham 's bosom" Hebrews) 29 for God’s gifts and his call are irrevocable. 30 Just as you who were at one time disobedient to God have now received mercy as a result of their disobedience, 31 so they too have now become disobedient in order that they too may now[h] receive mercy as a result of God’s mercy to you. 32 For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.
(Here is the clincher where Paul says that the gentiles and some of his fellow countrymen would call on the Lord and be "saved" before God's wrath. (on the synagogue of Satan Jews) That is what Paul means in saying "for God's calling is irrevocable," )
[All italics mine]

Therefore, those who entered God's Covenant of Grace in Christ weren't subject to God striking the land with a curse - Malachi 4
(God's plan to have the heathen Romans sack Jerusalem & their temple in AD70)

The Jews were no longer God's chosen people.

But you say they still are, JLB?

No, That is what you said, that I said.

You are very good at presuming things, then putting words in my mouth.

I said that Romans 11, is referring to Israel.

Israel, in Romans 11, is a reference to the natural Israel.

That is the question you asked, and that is the question I answered.


19 You will say then, "Branches were broken off that I might be grafted in."

"Branches = Natural Jews

20 Well said. Because of unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by faith. Do not be haughty, but fear.

they = Natural Jews
21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, He may not spare you either.

natural branches = Natural Jews

22 Therefore consider the goodness and severity of God: on those who fell, severity; but toward you, goodness, if you continue in His goodness. Otherwise you also will be cut off.

on those who fell = Natural Jews

23 And they also, if they do not continue in unbelief, will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again.

they = Natural Jews

24 For if you were cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and were grafted contrary to nature into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these, who are natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?

these, who are natural branches = Natural Jews

25 For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in.


that blindness in part has happened to Israel = Natural Jews

26 And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written: "The Deliverer will come out of Zion, And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob; Romans 11:19-26

Israel = Natural Jews

As I said before, I will say again -

In Romans 11, Israel is a reference to Natural Jews.


28 For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh; 29 but he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the Spirit, not in the letter; whose praise is not from men but from God. Romans 2:28-29

but he is a Jew who is one inwardly;

Those who are Jews inwardly are Gods chosen people.

Are you a Jew inwardly, Coraline ?


JLB

 

[coraline]

Yes, by Faith in Christ!

 

[JLB777]

Yes, by Faith in Christ!

Amen to that!


JLB

 

[coraline]

Amen to that!


JLB

Glad you are agreeing with me and seeing the light. Don't go back to ethnic Israel. Stick with the Bible. Biblical Judaism ended. All Jewish genealogies ended with Christ.

Titus 3:9,
9 But avoid foolish controversies and genealogies and arguments and quarrels about the law, because these are unprofitable and useless. 10 Warn a divisive person once, and then warn them a second time. After that, have nothing to do with them. 11 You may be sure that such people are warped and sinful; they are self-condemned.

 

[JLB777]

Glad you are agreeing with me and seeing the light. Don't go back to ethnic Israel. Stick with the Bible. Biblical Judaism ended. All Jewish genealogies ended with Christ.

Titus 3:9,
9 But avoid foolish controversies and genealogies and arguments and quarrels about the law, because these are unprofitable and useless. 10 Warn a divisive person once, and then warn them a second time. After that, have nothing to do with them. 11 You may be sure that such people are warped and sinful; they are self-condemned.

Please do not post anymore of your Preteristic Doctrines in this forum, or any other and all will go well with you.

You know Jesus has not returned, nor has the resurrection happened.

I believe you were just confused for a while and now you have come to your senses.


JLB

 

[coraline]

Please do not post anymore of your Preteristic Doctrines in this forum, or any other and all will go well with you.

You know Jesus has not returned, nor has the resurrection happened.

I believe you were just confused for a while and now you have come to your senses.


JLB

Don't hijack this thread.
I am quoting Paul in my posts. You're the only one who is trying to to discuss the "resurrection" in this thread.

I will report you in a heartbeat!

 

[JLB777]

Don't hijack this thread.
I am quoting Paul in my posts. You're the only one who is trying to to discuss the "resurrection" in this thread.

I will report you in a heartbeat!

For what?

Stopping you from posting Preteristic Doctrines?

Go for it.


JLB

 

[coraline]

For what?

Stopping you from posting Preteristic Doctrines?

Go for it.


JLB

Get behind me Satan, I know your evil schemes!

I have reported you for flaming and changing the OP topic with your incessant need to wage spiritual warfare on other Christians personally.

 

[JLB777]

Get behind me Satan, I know your evil schemes!

I have reported you for flaming and changing the OP topic with your incessant need to wage spiritual warfare on other Christians personally.

It is clear to all who read these post's that you are the one who has been extremely rude.

I will address the introduction of Preterism Doctrines in any thread I come across.

JLB

 

[coraline]

It is clear to all who read these post's that you are the one who has been extremely rude.

I will address the introduction of Preterism Doctrines in any thread I come across.

JLB

Not in this thread! Show respect for the other posters that contributed to this "Replacement theology" topic.

We're not discussing your doctrine of "end-times" here.

Go to the eschatology forum to voice your opinion.

And if you want to debate me personally- begin a thread in the unorthodoxy forum.

You said you wanted to debate Daniel?
I challenge you to open a thread there so we can debate on a level playing field.

Will you do it instead of just talking about it?

 

[JLB777]

Not in this thread! Show respect for the other posters that contributed to this "Replacement theology" topic.

We're not discussing your doctrine of "end-times" here.

Go to the eschatology forum to voice your opinion.

And if you want to debate me personally- begin a thread in the unorthodoxy forum.

You said you wanted to debate Daniel?
I challenge you to open a thread there so we can debate on a level playing field.

Will you do it instead of just talking about it?

I don't debate people who act or think like you.

You are immature and rude.

You are convinced Jesus returned in 70 Ad and the resurrection is past, yet you have no scripture to support your belief!

Nothing I can say or show you is going to change that.

I will however keep watch over these forums for the the introduction of Preteristic seeds of that False Doctrine, so that by the word of God I can surgically remove it before it spreads like a cancer.

If you want to discuss Daniel 9 and the abomination of Desolation in an open thread for all to join in the discussion, then that is good with me.

16 But shun profane and idle babblings, for they will increase to more ungodliness. 17 And their message will spread like cancer. Hymenaeus and Philetus are of this sort, 18 who have strayed concerning the truth, saying that the resurrection is already past; and they overthrow the faith of some. 19 Nevertheless the solid foundation of God stands, having this seal: "The Lord knows those who are His," and, "Let everyone who names the name of Christ depart from iniquity."2 Timothy 2:16-19


JLB

 

[coraline]

I don't debate people who act or think like you.

You are immature and rude.

You are convinced Jesus returned in 70 Ad and the resurrection is past, yet you have no scripture to support your belief!

Nothing I can say or show you is going to change that.

I will however keep watch over these forums for the the introduction of Preteristic seeds of that False Doctrine, so that by the word of God I can surgically remove it before it spreads like a cancer.

If you want to discuss Daniel 9 and the abomination of Desolation in an open thread for all to join in the discussion, then that is good with me.

16 But shun profane and idle babblings, for they will increase to more ungodliness. 17 And their message will spread like cancer. Hymenaeus and Philetus are of this sort, 18 who have strayed concerning the truth, saying that the resurrection is already past; and they overthrow the faith of some. 19 Nevertheless the solid foundation of God stands, having this seal: "The Lord knows those who are His," and, "Let everyone who names the name of Christ depart from iniquity."2 Timothy 2:16-19


JLB

You won't debate me bc you know I'll make you look foolish.

I challenge you to start a thread in UT (instead of hijacking this thread- talk about rudeness-hypocrisy is your doctrine!)

So don't just quote scripture and think you rightly interpret it.

I challenge you to start a topic on that 2 Timothy 2:16-19 in UT!

Come on, we're all waiting to see if you have genuine courage (and any knowledge too, lol!)

Don't just talk to have the last word here.

Let's debate your accusations & see if they hold up to my years of study!

 

[JLB777]

You won't debate me bc you know I'll make you look foolish.

I challenge you to start a thread in UT (instead of hijacking this thread- talk about rudeness-hypocrisy is your doctrine!)

So don't just quote scripture and think you rightly interpret it.

I challenge you to start a topic on that 2 Timothy 2:16-19 in UT!

Come on, we're all waiting to see if you have genuine courage (and any knowledge too, lol!)

Don't just talk to have the last word here.

Let's debate your accusations & see if they hold up to my years of study!

Just make some more Preterism insinuations and you will find me in the middle of your post.

All your wannabe head knowledge has no revelatory understanding to go with it.

That is why you are constantly cutting and pasting commentary from the Internet.

Your childish schoolyard challenge means nothing to a dead man.


JLB