"Just sayin' 24/7 bc I have no life that is"
Nothing would help you understand that the "Old Covenant" is what the discussion is here and the Bible is about. You keep talking about Abrahamic one.
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"Just sayin' 24/7 bc I have no life that is"
Nothing would help you understand that the "Old Covenant" is what the discussion is here and the Bible is about. You keep talking about Abrahamic one.
"Just sayin' 24/7 bc I have no life that is"
Nothing would help you understand that the "Old Covenant" is what the discussion is here and the Bible is about. You keep talking about Abrahamic one.
We have been grafted in to the Abraham Covenant, in Christ.
For those who are of faith, are sons of Abraham!
JLB
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No, ya think?
You'll do anything to try sound like you know something. but the "Abrahamic covenant" isn't referred to as "the old covenant" in scripture.
The "ministration of death" was the old covenant. And it included the Law that Jesus told us NOT A JOT OR TITTLE OF would pass from till heaven earth passed away!
Prove me otherwise
But as far as us being grafted into the Covenant of grace by Faith-
"All Israel" was saved . Remnant Jews and believing gentiles.
God judged the synagogue of Satan Jews in the Roman/Jewish war AD66-70..
Romans 2:28For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: 29But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
This is the Israel of God.
We have come to Mt. Zion.
It is spiritual.
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Abrahamic covenant was the "ministration of death?"
The old covenant had to wax old and pass away AFTER Christ introduced the new.
Heaven and earth had to pass before the Law was changed.
Deal with it!
How sad it is that you think that the Abrahamic Covenant was the "Ministration of Death".
I wonder how many other doctrines you are confused about as well.
Please study to show yourself approved, before you teach any more false doctrine.
Thanks, JLB
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No, ya think?
You'll do anything to try sound like you know something. but the "Abrahamic covenant" isn't referred to as "the old covenant" in scripture.
The "ministration of death" was the old covenant. And it included the Law that Jesus told us NOT A JOT OR TITTLE OF would pass from till heaven earth passed away!
Prove me otherwise
But as far as us being grafted into the Covenant of grace by Faith-
"All Israel" was saved . Remnant Jews and believing gentiles.
God judged the synagogue of Satan Jews in the Roman/Jewish war AD66-70..
Romans 2:28For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: 29But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
This is the Israel of God.
We have come to Mt. Zion.
It is spiritual.
25 For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. 26 And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written: "The Deliverer will come out of Zion, And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob; 27 For this is My covenant with them, When I take away their sins." 28 Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but concerning the election they are beloved for the sake of the fathers. 29 For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable. Romans 11:25-29
The fullness of the Gentiles has not yet come in.
All Israel has not been saved. This will not happen until Jesus Christ returns.
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28 so Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many. To those who eagerly wait for Him He will appear a second time, apart from sin, for salvation. Hebrews 9:28
His appearing a second time FOR SALVATION!
That Day will be glorious for we will put on immortality.
His return is something we can all look forward to!
Amen!
JLB
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Romans was written in AD 58.
"will be saved" was future tense -AD70, saved from God's wrath in the Roman/Jewish war.
Don't you read any Jewish and Roman history, JLB?
Future when Paul wrote it.
The math and verbs and the revelation are so easy to see!
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Until the fulness of the Gentiles comes in!
Gentiles are still coming in to this day!
28 so Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many. To those who eagerly wait for Him He will appear a second time, apart from sin, for salvation. Hebrews 9:28
Jesus has not appeared a second time, and we have not received our immortal resurrected bodies yet!
You belief in False Doctrine has blinded you to these simple truths!
JLB
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"Until the fullness of the gentiles has come in" is not speaking about a number of gentiles. The NIV has a bad translation too, "the "full number of gentiles."
But this "fulness" is about QUALITY, and fulness of salvation/maturity in Christ. The infant church reaching maturity.
For example:
And He gave some as apostles, and some as prophets, and some as evangelists, and some as pastors and teachers, for the equipping of the saints for the work of service, to the building up of the body of Christ; until we all attain to the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a mature man, to the measure of the stature which belongs to the fullness of Christ. Ephesians 4:11-13 NASB
The word "until" here is the Greek word mechri (meck-re), which means, "up to a certain point" (as preposition of extent ([denoting the terminus). And the word "fullness" is the Greek pleroma.The fullness of the Gentiles has to do with their perfection in Christ; it has nothing to do with numbers. It has to do with the maturity of the body and when it is matured. who are Israelites, to whom belongs the adoption as sons, and the glory and the covenants and the giving of the Law and the temple service and the promises, Romans 9:4 NASB
I would say that "Israelites" here and in 11:1 is used of the citizens of national Israel; those people who are members of the nation Israel. But it is not as though the word of God has failed. For they are not all Israel who are descended from Israel; Romans 9:6 NASB
Are either of these "Israel's" used on national or geo-political Israel? One of these "Israel's" is ethnic Israel, those descended from Jacob's sons. But who is the other Israel? It is true or spiritual Israel. So we have physical Israel and true Israel.Paul is saying that God's promises haven't failed, because God never promised covenant blessings unconditionally to each offspring of Abraham. God never intended that all of the nation Israel would be redeemed. Within national Israel is "true Israel" or "spiritual Israel." So one could be an Israelite without truly being an Israelite. The promises were to "true Israel," not national Israel. Understanding this verse is crucial to understanding these three chapters and "all Israel."
Isaiah cries out concerning Israel, "THOUGH THE NUMBER OF THE SONS OF ISRAEL BE LIKE THE SAND OF THE SEA, IT IS THE REMNANT THAT WILL BE SAVED; Romans 9:27 NASB
"Sons of Israel"--is again, as in 9:6, those descended from Jacob's sons, ethnic Israel. And out of ethnic Israel a remnant will be saved. Just as in 9:6 a remnant, true Israel, will be saved out of ethnic Israel. Notice what is promised to the remnant here. It is not national restoration, nothing about a place of prominence, it is salvation that they are promised. The Greek verb sozo--save, and the noun soteria--salvation, have a wide range of possible meanings. They can be referring to physical healing, rescue from danger, spiritual deliverance of various kinds, and to preservation from the wrath of Yahweh. We must determine its meaning from its usage in the context. But none of its meaning is to restore to national prominence. In 10:1 Paul is praying for their salvation, not their national dominance. His prayer is not political, it is soteralogical.
but Israel, pursuing a law of righteousness, did not arrive at that law. Romans 9:31 NASB
This speaks of corporate Israel's failure to attain covenant membership. But I say, surely Israel did not know, did they? First Moses says, "I WILL MAKE YOU JEALOUS BY THAT WHICH IS NOT A NATION, BY A NATION WITHOUT UNDERSTANDING WILL I ANGER YOU." Romans 10:19 NASB
This is not geo-political, but corporate Israel. But as for Israel He says, "ALL THE DAY LONG I HAVE STRETCHED OUT MY HANDS TO A DISOBEDIENT AND OBSTINATE PEOPLE." Romans 10:21 NASB
Again, this is corporate Israel. I say then, God has not rejected His people, has He? May it never be! For I too am an Israelite, a descendant of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. Romans 11:1 NASB
Paul affirms that Yahweh is saving some from corporate Israel, he is proof of that. God has not rejected His people whom He foreknew. Or do you not know what the Scripture says in the passage about Elijah, how he pleads with God against Israel? Romans 11:2 NASB
Elijah prayed against corporate Israel. What then? What Israel is seeking, it has not obtained, but those who were chosen obtained it, and the rest were hardened; Romans 11:7 NASB
Corporate Israel has not obtained what it was seeking, only a chosen remnant obtained it, and the rest, which would be most of corporate Israel, were hardened. It doesn't say they were nationally restored to a place of prominence or even that they were saved, they were hardened. They were not chosen, and they never will be. For I do not want you, brethren, to be uninformed of this mystery--so that you will not be wise in your own estimation--that a partial hardening has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in; Romans 11:25 NASB
This is telling us the same thing that we saw in 11:7. Israel, other than the remnant, were hardened, not chosen from the foundation of the world. and so all Israel will be saved; just as it is written, "THE DELIVERER WILL COME FROM ZION, HE WILL REMOVE UNGODLINESS FROM JACOB." Romans 11:26 NASB
"All Israel" here is not all corporate Israel, most of them were hardened, not chosen. And the Israel talked about here is to be "saved," delivered from the wrath of Yahweh.In 11:26 Dispensationalists want to make "all Israel" be all who descended from Israel, which Paul said were not Israel. How is "all Israel will be saved" national or political? Paul was praying for their salvation. And here Israel is saved. And in 10:13 whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved. Nothing political here.
Dispensationalists like to focus on geo-political Israel and the land of Palestine and the rebuilding of the temple. But none of that is in this text.
Those who weren't chosen and God had hardened from ethnic Israel faced their covenantal Curses for disobedience (Deuteronomy) in the Jewish/Roman war AD66-70.
God left that building (temple) made with hands forever!)
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Sorry,
You Lexicon gymnastics will not change the word of God to fit you Preterist theology.
A good understanding of Daniel would help you immensely.
Shall we go there?
JLB
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What is your answer about what we & other posters are discussing here in Romans 9-11 regarding "All Israel shall be saved?"
Answer about that in Romans 9-11 and its place in this thread regarding "Replacement theology" first.
Let's see your interpretation of Romans 9-11 first, instead of being all over the place & going to the book of Daniel!
So, how do you interpret the "All Israel shall be saved" from Romans 11?
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First of all, to say that "Israel" does not refer to Israelites after the flesh, is simply just not true!
11 I say then, have they stumbled that they should fall? Certainly not! But through their fall, to provoke them to jealousy, salvation has come to the Gentiles. 12 Now if their fall is riches for the world, and their failure riches for the Gentiles, how much more their fullness! 13 For I speak to you Gentiles; inasmuch as I am an apostle to the Gentiles, I magnify my ministry, 14 if by any means I may provoke to jealousy those who are my flesh and save some of them. 15 For if their being cast away is the reconciling of the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead? 16 For if the first fruit is holy, the lump is also holy; and if the root is holy, so are the branches. 17 And if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive tree, were grafted in among them, and with them became a partaker of the root and fatness of the olive tree, 18 do not boast against the branches. But if you do boast, remember that you do not support the root, but the root supports you. 19 You will say then, "Branches were broken off that I might be grafted in." 20 Well said. Because of unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by faith. Do not be haughty, but fear. 21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, He may not spare you either.
15 For if their being cast away is the reconciling of the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead?
THEIR refers to Israel after the flesh.
16 For if the first fruit is holy, the lump is also holy; and if the root is holy, so are the branches.
The root is the Covenant between Abraham and the Lord Jesus.
That Covenant we are grafted into.
So there will be a time when Israel accepts the Jesus as Messiah.
10 "And I will pour on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem the Spirit of grace and supplication; then they will look on Me whom they pierced. Yes, they will mourn for Him as one mourns for his only son, and grieve for Him as one grieves for a firstborn. 11 In that day there shall be a great mourning in Jerusalem, like the mourning at Hadad Rimmon in the plain of Megiddo. 12 And the land shall mourn, every family by itself: the family of the house of David by itself, and their wives by themselves; the family of the house of Nathan by itself, and their wives by themselves; 13 the family of the house of Levi by itself, and their wives by themselves; the family of Shimei by itself, and their wives by themselves; 14 all the families that remain, every family by itself, and their wives by themselves. Zechariah 12:10
However you can believe this, because you think this event has taken place already.
JLB
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"What will their acceptance be but life from the dead"?
Notice that Paul says that if they repented they would receive eternal life in place of death.
Paul was praying for all Israel's salvation. But is was only the remnant, that was chosen and not hardened plus the believing gentiles that were saved.
John 8:
Abraham’s Seed and Satan’s
37 “I know that you are Abraham’s descendants, but you seek to kill Me, because My word has no place in you. 38 I speak what I have seen with My Father, and you do what you have seen with[l] your father.”
39 They answered and said to Him, “Abraham is our father.”
Jesus said to them, “If you were Abraham’s children, you would do the works of Abraham. 40 But now you seek to kill Me, a Man who has told you the truth which I heard from God. Abraham did not do this. 41 You do the deeds of your father.”
Then they said to Him, “We were not born of fornication; we have one Father—God.”
42 Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I proceeded forth and came from God; nor have I come of Myself, but He sent Me. 43 Why do you not understand My speech? Because you are not able to listen to My word. 44 You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it.
They received Him not . They didn't come to Jesus that they might have life.
These synagogue of Satan Jews were going to be judged with the destruction of their "holy city" in AD66-70.
Matthew3:
7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming to his baptism, he said to them, “Brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the wrath to come? 8 Therefore bear fruits worthy of repentance, 9 and do not think to say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham as our father.’ For I say to you that God is able to raise up children to Abraham from these stones. 10 And even now the ax is laid to the root of the trees. Therefore every tree which does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance, but He who is coming after me is mightier than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.[b] 12 His winnowing fan is in His hand, and He will thoroughly clean out His threshing floor, and gather His wheat into the barn; but He will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.”
Rev 2-
‘These things says the First and the Last, who was dead, and came to life: 9 “I know your works, tribulation, and poverty (but you are rich); and I know the blasphemy of those who say they are Jews and are not, but are a synagogue of Satan.
Jesus and John spoke of national Israel's destruction.
*The fulfillment of Zech 12 is seen in the remnant of Israel repenting at Peter's preaching on Pentecost in Acts 2.
10 "And I will pour on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem the Spirit of grace and supplication;
Notice that Paul says that if they repented they would receive eternal life in place of death.
Paul was praying for all Israel's salvation. But is was only the remnant, that was chosen and not hardened plus the believing gentiles that were saved.
John 8:
Abraham’s Seed and Satan’s
37 “I know that you are Abraham’s descendants, but you seek to kill Me, because My word has no place in you. 38 I speak what I have seen with My Father, and you do what you have seen with[l] your father.”
39 They answered and said to Him, “Abraham is our father.”
Jesus said to them, “If you were Abraham’s children, you would do the works of Abraham. 40 But now you seek to kill Me, a Man who has told you the truth which I heard from God. Abraham did not do this. 41 You do the deeds of your father.”
Then they said to Him, “We were not born of fornication; we have one Father—God.”
42 Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I proceeded forth and came from God; nor have I come of Myself, but He sent Me. 43 Why do you not understand My speech? Because you are not able to listen to My word. 44 You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it.
They received Him not . They didn't come to Jesus that they might have life.
These synagogue of Satan Jews were going to be judged with the destruction of their "holy city" in AD66-70.
Matthew3:
7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming to his baptism, he said to them, “Brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the wrath to come? 8 Therefore bear fruits worthy of repentance, 9 and do not think to say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham as our father.’ For I say to you that God is able to raise up children to Abraham from these stones. 10 And even now the ax is laid to the root of the trees. Therefore every tree which does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance, but He who is coming after me is mightier than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.[b] 12 His winnowing fan is in His hand, and He will thoroughly clean out His threshing floor, and gather His wheat into the barn; but He will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.”
Rev 2-
‘These things says the First and the Last, who was dead, and came to life: 9 “I know your works, tribulation, and poverty (but you are rich); and I know the blasphemy of those who say they are Jews and are not, but are a synagogue of Satan.
Jesus and John spoke of national Israel's destruction.
*The fulfillment of Zech 12 is seen in the remnant of Israel repenting at Peter's preaching on Pentecost in Acts 2.
10 "And I will pour on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem the Spirit of grace and supplication;
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THERE IS A VERY GOOD REASON YOU ONLY QUOTED HALF OF VERSE 10!
10 "And I will pour on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem the Spirit of grace and supplication; then they will look on Me whom they pierced. Yes, they will mourn for Him as one mourns for his only son, and grieve for Him as one grieves for a firstborn.
This is a future event when Jesus returns, as all of them will look on Him whom they pierced, as John refers to in Revelation -
7 Behold, He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him, even they who pierced Him. And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him. Even so, Amen. Revelation 1:7
Maybe you think the book of Revelation was written before Peter preached to them?
Zechariah 12, a future event! -
1 The burden of the word of the Lord against Israel. Thus says the Lord, who stretches out the heavens, lays the foundation of the earth, and forms the spirit of man within him: 2 "Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of drunkenness to all the surrounding peoples, when they lay siege against Judah and Jerusalem.3 And it shall happen in that day that I will make Jerusalem a very heavy stone for all peoples; all who would heave it away will surely be cut in pieces, though all nations of the earth are gathered against it. 4 In that day," says the Lord, "I will strike every horse with confusion, and its rider with madness; I will open My eyes on the house of Judah, and will strike every horse of the peoples with blindness. 5 And the governors of Judah shall say in their heart, 'The inhabitants of Jerusalem are my strength in the Lord of hosts, their God.' 6 In that day I will make the governors of Judah like a firepan in the woodpile, and like a fiery torch in the sheaves; they shall devour all the surrounding peoples on the right hand and on the left, but Jerusalem shall be inhabited again in her own place--Jerusalem. Zechariah 12:1-6
Preterism is the ultimate Heresy!
JLB
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JBL,
You are the only one trying to discuss "end times" here. Don't try to derail this thread to all kinds of prophecies. Stick to the topic and clarify your position on Romans 9-11.
There is an entire forum for your agenda in end times for you to go to to discuss your views.
Try to stick to the topic here of "replacement theology" and "all Israel" in Romans 11.
We still have not determined who you think "all Israel" is that Paul said would be saved.
You are the only one trying to discuss "end times" here. Don't try to derail this thread to all kinds of prophecies. Stick to the topic and clarify your position on Romans 9-11.
There is an entire forum for your agenda in end times for you to go to to discuss your views.
Try to stick to the topic here of "replacement theology" and "all Israel" in Romans 11.
We still have not determined who you think "all Israel" is that Paul said would be saved.
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Because you haven't read my post! #132
Zechariah 12:10 is part of that fulfillment.
Zechariah 12:10 has not been fulfilled.
Hebrews 9:28 says Jesus will appear a second time for Salvation -
28 so Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many. To those who eagerly wait for Him He will appear a second time, apart from sin, for salvation. Hebrews 9:28
Zechariah 12:10 is a part of that Salvation. All Israel will be saved.
If you believe that has happened, it's no wonder you believe what you do.
26 And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written: "The Deliverer will come out of Zion, And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob; 27 For this is My covenant with them, When I take away their sins." 28 Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but concerning the election they are beloved for the sake of the fathers.
Paul is referring to the Jews!
JLB
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Again, even your post #132 showed you don't understand what Paul said in Romans 9-11.
He defined ethnic Israel into 2 categories. Similar to his analogy in Galatians about that "Jerusalem now is" (the earthly one in bondage with her children- present time to Paul) AND the Jerusalem above, which is free and the mother of us all. That is the Jerusalem where those, including the remnant of Jews, are citizens of bc they have been born again of the SPIRIT. It is the New Jerusalem and kingdom of God.
So, Paul, in Romans 9 (actually through his epistles he fought against Judaizers) DEFINES who really is Israel. And we find that the true Israel from ethnic national Israel were only those of the Remnant (Paul said at his present time were saved by grace. This is the 144k reference who were sealed by God so to be protected from the destruction of earthly, fleshly Jerusalem in the war AD66-70. Some of which Paul prayed for, and out of their total depravity, accepted their Messiah. But most of the Remnant and those Hebrew Christians we see in scripture, began repenting with the preaching of Peter at Pentecost.
And James also begins his epistles writing to the tribes of the diaspora abroad who were not in Jerusalem or even Israel at the time. (Jm 1)
Peter also writes to the pilgrims of the diaspora in one of his epistles later in the early 60s AD before he was martyred.
When God said He would make a "New Covenant" with the house of Israel in Jer.31- He would put His law in their hearts (which is the spirit) It would be the Remnant that would be born again "of the Spirit.Jesus said to the Jewish , "you must be born again."
Israel's blessings and promises came to first the Jew, then the Gentile.
True Israel received salvation. "all Israel will be saved."
Not "national ethnic Israel"
These God judged in the war that ended with their earthly temple being destroyed in AD70- for their disobedience they suffered their prophesied Covenant curses in Deuteronomy (28), and for their rejection of their Messiah See Luke 19:41-44
Jesus Weeps over Jerusalem
41 Now as He drew near, He saw the city and wept over it, 42 saying, If you had known, even you, especially in this your day, the things that make for your peace! But now they are hidden from your eyes. 43 For days will come upon you when your enemies will build an embankment around you, surround you and close you in on every side, 44 and level you, and your children within you, to the ground; and they will not leave in you one stone upon another, because you did not know the time of your visitation.
Earthly Israel today is just memory of where Jesus walked (and was crucified) 2,000 years ago.
Jerusalem "was raised up and inhabited in her place, Jerusalem"
That is a symbolic/poetic reference to the New Jerusalem!
He defined ethnic Israel into 2 categories. Similar to his analogy in Galatians about that "Jerusalem now is" (the earthly one in bondage with her children- present time to Paul) AND the Jerusalem above, which is free and the mother of us all. That is the Jerusalem where those, including the remnant of Jews, are citizens of bc they have been born again of the SPIRIT. It is the New Jerusalem and kingdom of God.
So, Paul, in Romans 9 (actually through his epistles he fought against Judaizers) DEFINES who really is Israel. And we find that the true Israel from ethnic national Israel were only those of the Remnant (Paul said at his present time were saved by grace. This is the 144k reference who were sealed by God so to be protected from the destruction of earthly, fleshly Jerusalem in the war AD66-70. Some of which Paul prayed for, and out of their total depravity, accepted their Messiah. But most of the Remnant and those Hebrew Christians we see in scripture, began repenting with the preaching of Peter at Pentecost.
And James also begins his epistles writing to the tribes of the diaspora abroad who were not in Jerusalem or even Israel at the time. (Jm 1)
Peter also writes to the pilgrims of the diaspora in one of his epistles later in the early 60s AD before he was martyred.
When God said He would make a "New Covenant" with the house of Israel in Jer.31- He would put His law in their hearts (which is the spirit) It would be the Remnant that would be born again "of the Spirit.Jesus said to the Jewish , "you must be born again."
Israel's blessings and promises came to first the Jew, then the Gentile.
True Israel received salvation. "all Israel will be saved."
Not "national ethnic Israel"
These God judged in the war that ended with their earthly temple being destroyed in AD70- for their disobedience they suffered their prophesied Covenant curses in Deuteronomy (28), and for their rejection of their Messiah See Luke 19:41-44
Jesus Weeps over Jerusalem
41 Now as He drew near, He saw the city and wept over it, 42 saying, If you had known, even you, especially in this your day, the things that make for your peace! But now they are hidden from your eyes. 43 For days will come upon you when your enemies will build an embankment around you, surround you and close you in on every side, 44 and level you, and your children within you, to the ground; and they will not leave in you one stone upon another, because you did not know the time of your visitation.
Earthly Israel today is just memory of where Jesus walked (and was crucified) 2,000 years ago.
Jerusalem "was raised up and inhabited in her place, Jerusalem"
That is a symbolic/poetic reference to the New Jerusalem!
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26 And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written: "The Deliverer will come out of Zion, And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob; 27 For this is My covenant with them, When I take away their sins." 28 Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but concerning the election they are beloved for the sake of the fathers.
... so all Israel will be saved. Israel means Israel.
"The Deliverer will come out of Zion, And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob; = Israel
Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake. They = Israel
What are we supposed to think about what Paul said here, that he is referring to Syria?
Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake. The word they in this verse refers to Israel!
JLB
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Present Condition of Israel
30 What shall we say then? That Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness of faith; 31 but Israel, pursuing the law of righteousness, has not attained to the law of righteousness.[n] 32 Why? Because they did not seek it by faith, but as it were, by the works of the law.[o] For they stumbled at that stumbling stone. 33 As it is written:
“Behold, I lay in Zion a stumbling stone and rock of offense,
And whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.”[p]
Israel’s Rejection of Christ
9 I tell the truth in Christ, I am not lying, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Spirit, 2 that I have great sorrow and continual grief in my heart. 3 For I could wish that I myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my countrymen[a] according to the flesh, 4 who are Israelites, to whom pertain the adoption, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the service of God, and the promises; 5 of whom are the fathers and from whom, according to the flesh, Christ came, who is over all, the eternally blessed God. Amen.
Israel’s Rejection and God’s Purpose
6 But it is not that the word of God has taken no effect. For they are not all Israel who are of Israel, 7 nor are they all children because they are the seed of Abraham; but, “In Isaac your seed shall be called.”[b] 8 That is, those who are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God; but the children of the promise are counted as the seed. 9 For this is the word of promise: “At this time I will come and Sarah shall have a son.”[c]
10 And not only this, but when Rebecca also had conceived by one man, even by our father Isaac 11 (for the children not yet being born, nor having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works but of Him who calls),
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Rom 11:5
So too, at the present time there is a remnant chosen by grace
------The rest were hardened and would suffer God's judgment in the WAR!
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if somehow I might move to jealousy my fellow countrymen and save some of them. Romans 11:14 NASB
Paul literally says, "If I might make my 'flesh' jealous and so save some of them." As in Romans 7 Paul uses "flesh" in talking about the Old Covenant mode of existence. The flesh is the body of Adam under the Old Covenant. Believers are not in the flesh, we are in the Spirit. Paul says that part of his ministry to the Gentiles is directed towards his "flesh" those Israelites living under the Old Covenant mode of existence.30 What shall we say then? That Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness of faith; 31 but Israel, pursuing the law of righteousness, has not attained to the law of righteousness.[n] 32 Why? Because they did not seek it by faith, but as it were, by the works of the law.[o] For they stumbled at that stumbling stone. 33 As it is written:
“Behold, I lay in Zion a stumbling stone and rock of offense,
And whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.”[p]
Israel’s Rejection of Christ
9 I tell the truth in Christ, I am not lying, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Spirit, 2 that I have great sorrow and continual grief in my heart. 3 For I could wish that I myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my countrymen[a] according to the flesh, 4 who are Israelites, to whom pertain the adoption, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the service of God, and the promises; 5 of whom are the fathers and from whom, according to the flesh, Christ came, who is over all, the eternally blessed God. Amen.
Israel’s Rejection and God’s Purpose
6 But it is not that the word of God has taken no effect. For they are not all Israel who are of Israel, 7 nor are they all children because they are the seed of Abraham; but, “In Isaac your seed shall be called.”[b] 8 That is, those who are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God; but the children of the promise are counted as the seed. 9 For this is the word of promise: “At this time I will come and Sarah shall have a son.”[c]
10 And not only this, but when Rebecca also had conceived by one man, even by our father Isaac 11 (for the children not yet being born, nor having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works but of Him who calls),
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Rom 11:5
So too, at the present time there is a remnant chosen by grace
------The rest were hardened and would suffer God's judgment in the WAR!
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if somehow I might move to jealousy my fellow countrymen and save some of them. Romans 11:14 NASB
"And save some of them"--the use of the term "some" is telling. Paul is not expecting that the entire nation of Israel will be saved through his ministry. He understands the promise to Abraham was there will always be a true seed.
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