Replacement theology? . . .what is it?

[HandmaidenOfGod]

They also tie in Israel with End Times theology as well, which is one of the principal reasons why they continue to support Israel. Some "Christian Zionists" - as they're sometimes referred - are radical enough to literally donate money for the restoration of the temple in Jerusalem. Christians in Israel are routinely harassed and all are barred from evangelism and reaching out to non-Christians, with some cases of attacks.

It drives me nuts.

Dr. Maria Khoury is a Greek born, American raised and educated, Orthodox Christian woman living in Taibet, Palestine. She is married to a man who's family has been Christian since Christ himself visited their village.

Here is a brief interview with her on CBS 60 Minutes:

Extra: The Footsteps of Christ - 60 Minutes - CBS News

She also wrote a book on the Christian presence in the Holy Land called "Witness in the Holy Land."

 

[Mary of Bethany]

Thanks for that interview with Dr. Khoury, Handmaiden! She came to our parish last year.

Mary

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

As a side note: the term is usually used to imply that traditional Christians are anti-Semities.

I myself [along with the 1 Christian commenator] have been labeled "anti-semitic" many times for my view of Revelation.
Even a "dispensationalist" relative of mine use to label me as that for years when I came to Christ.
Here is what was said of Preston Eby for example, a favorite commentator of mine:

J Preston Eby, Eby minstry, Eby heresies, Eby writings, Preston Eby, Manifest Sons of God heresy, Latter Rain heresy

*snip*

......The anti-semitic MSOG movement that Eby claims to govern his ministry incorrectly and boldly appropriates the title "elect" from that of the remnant of Israel described during the Tribulation's Time of Jacob's Trouble, and applies it to themselves in true Replacement Theology fashion.

Eby's writing ministry includes a monthly message titled Kingdom Bible Studies Table of Contents as well as a number of booklets on various subjects. We discuss this subject below.

Eby attempts to carry the OT priesthood in Israel to the current day church. This is classical Replacement Theology and incorrectly appropriates the program that God set up for Israel prior to the time of the Cross when Jesus Christ became our priest and mediator between man and God..........

 

[HandmaidenOfGod]

Thanks for that interview with Dr. Khoury, Handmaiden! She came to our parish last year.

Mary

No problem! I had the privelage of hearing her speak at my parish when I was living in Atlanta.

She's an amazing woman living under extraodinary conditions!

 

[HandmaidenOfGod]

I myself [along with the 1 Christian commenator] have been labeled "anti-semitic" many times for my view of Revelation.
Even a "dispensationalist" relative of mine use to label me as that for years when I came to Christ.
Here is what was said of Preston Eby for example, a favorite commentator of mine:

The problem begins with the word Semitic being hijacked and used in the wrong fashion. The word "Semitic" doesn't just refer to the Jews, but just about all people of Arabic/Middle Eastern origin. See here:

Se⋅mit⋅ic  /səˈmɪtɪk/
–noun 1. a subfamily of Afroasiatic languages that includes Akkadian, Arabic, Aramaic, Ethiopic, Hebrew, and Phoenician.
–adjective 2. of or pertaining to the Semites or their languages, esp. of or pertaining to the Jews.

So to truly be "anti-Semitic" one would also have to hate Christ, the Apostles, and just about every other figure in the Bible!

To disagree with the theology of whether or not the Jews are still God's "Chosen people" does not make one an Anti-Semite any more than accepting Christ as your Lord and Savior makes one an Anti-Semite.

For people to throw that word around on a basis of theological disagreement shows more of an ignorance of vocabulary than a superior command of theology IMHO.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

The problem begins with the word Semitic being hijacked and used in the wrong fashion. The word "Semitic" doesn't just refer to the Jews, but just about all people of Arabic/Middle Eastern origin. See here:

So to truly be "anti-Semitic" one would also have to hate Christ, the Apostles, and just about every other figure in the Bible!

To disagree with the theology of whether or not the Jews are still God's "Chosen people" does not make one an Anti-Semite any more than accepting Christ as your Lord and Savior makes one an Anti-Semite.

For people to throw that word around on a basis of theological disagreement shows more of an ignorance of vocabulary than a superior command of theology IMHO.

Wouldn't the Muslims also be considered Semites along with non-Jewish Hebrew Israelites?

Semitic - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In linguistics and ethnology, Semitic (from the Biblical "Shem", Hebrew: שם‎, translated as "name", Arabic: ساميّ&#8206 was first used to refer to a language family of largely Middle Easter origin, now called the Semitic languages. This family includes the ancient and modern forms of Akkadian, Amharic, Arabic, Aramaic, Ge'ez, Hebrew, Maltese, Phoenician, Tigre and Tigrinya among others.

The term Semite means a member of any of various ancient and modern Semitic-speaking peoples originating in southwestern Asia, including Akkadians, Canaanites, Phoenicians, Hebrews, Arabs, and Ethiopian Semites.

 

[Dorothea]

It's a term dispensationalist Protestants invented for the traditional / patristic understanding of the Church as the Israel of God.

^ This.

 

[Dorothea]

Dr. Maria Khoury is a Greek born, American raised and educated, Orthodox Christian woman living in Taibet, Palestine. She is married to a man who's family has been Christian since Christ himself visited their village.

Here is a brief interview with her on CBS 60 Minutes:

Extra: The Footsteps of Christ - 60 Minutes - CBS News

She also wrote a book on the Christian presence in the Holy Land called "Witness in the Holy Land."

I'm glad this thread came back up considering I just met her a couple months ago!

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by Christos Anesti It's a term dispensationalist Protestants invented for the traditional / patristic understanding of the Church as the Israel of God.

^ This.

I hear that!
They are a tuff nut to crack

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http://www.christianforums.com/t5040606-12/#post33113155
"Replacement Theology" is a Strawman Argument

I often hear the term "replacement theology" thrown about whenever dispensationalists (and dispensational messianics) want to demonize covenant theology.

But the term simply doesn't make sense.

"Replacement theology" assumes, it is said, that the church replaced Israel. Show me anyone who actually believes this. Covenant theologians don't because covenant theologians see continuity between the people of God. To assume that covenant theologians think that the church placed Israel, you have to assume a radical discontinuity between Israel and the church- that is, you assign dispensationalist assumptions upon a group of Christians who make no assumptions.

But covenant theologians don't make that assumption.

Covenant theologians see one people of God throughout all of human history. The church, in covenant theology, cannot replace Israel because there is no difference between believers in ethnic Israel and believers in the church.

 

[xenia]

I know an assistant pastor of a Zionist evangelical church who told me that his church regularly gives money (lots of money) to the mayor of Jerusalem. Just imagine, you go to a church in the hopes of worshiping the Holy Trinity and find out that your tithe money is being sent to encourage and enrich unbelievers. I told this pastor this is crazy. He told me I was an apostate.

 

[Knee V]

The label of "replacement theology" used by dispensationalists demonstrates their lack of understanding of what non-dispensationalists actually believe. To be sure, there are some people who will say that "the church" replaced "Israel". The Church did not replace Israel. The Church is Israel.

Even in the Old Testament days, according to St Paul, what constituted being an Israelite was more than just having physically descended from one of the tribes of Israel. He says in one part of Romans, "Not all are Israel who are from Israel". In other words, not everyone who is part of the physical nation of Israel is truly a part of Israel. In another part of Romans he says "one is not a Jew who is a Jew outwardly".

It has always been the people of faith who have been counted as Israelites. Physical descent didn't matter at all. God even allowed non-Israelites to be circumcised and then become part of the nation of Israel. When one "believed", that person was then considered an Israelite, no matter what actual lineage in the world he descended from.

So it was when Christ came. Those who were of faith remained Israelites. Those who rejected Christ were no longer truly Israelites. And when other believers "believed", they became part of the commonwealth of Israel. Today we call that "the Church", but Israel has always been Israel. If you are of faith, then you are an Israelite. There has been no replacement or any such nonsense. God's people are God's people. Now, instead of being circumcised, we are baptized into Christ, clothed with Him, being united to His death and resurrection.

The title "Replacement Theology" is dishonest at worst, and just simply ignorant at best.