Ok so you aren't listening too well, Geology does not say there there were no catostrophic events, that is the straw man which you keep using yet it is not true which was why I mentioned it. Nor do they dismiss the idea of global catastrophy, such as the change in earth's axis or the results of meteor impacts, remember the rather famous theory of how dinasours died out? So please stop this false idea that geology does not support catstophism.
We probably need to move this discussion to a separate thread dedicated to the flood or creationists geology. I have debated this many times with atheists and agnostics. You will obviously align yourself with that group. To address what you have said in this quote above the mainstream geologists put the flooding type of catastrophy on a local basis and not global. Additionally, they refuse to consider the evidence that supports a rapid formation of the geological column. The way I see this as one adventists talking to another is you may just as well go ahead and call the Bible and it's author a liar as you call into question basic fundamental truths the Bible gives us.
You would think they would have drowned then rather then being quick frozen, there is really no way to put those frozen mammoths as the result of the flood.
Dr. Walter Brown is a Ph.D mechanical engineer with extensive research on the flood. He says that the fountains of the great deep erupted with such force that a lot of the water may have gotten blasted into orbit and beyond. Lower orbiting water coming back could have been near absolute zero ( the temperature of space ). This could have frozen these animals this quickly as it buried them. All of these animals that are found like this were buried. Some of these animals also show evidence of being suffocated. Brown seems to think the atmosphere could have been temporarily moved away as the planet made a huge roll. Gas has inertia as does solid mass and could have been pulled back for a short time exposing the surface to very low temperatures and suffocating these animals at the same time.
Yea, that makes sense a whole world under water which kills all these little plankton guys and piles them up in one place without the impurities like clay which is found in the other limestones. You have got to be joking, water does not function that way, it takes whatever is there and carries it, why do you assume that the flood would deposit these organisms in this one place rather then a layer over the whole world? Or at least a larger area.
Chalk and lime formations are not soley produced by animals who form it in their shells and then die. The concentration of CaCO3 can become high enough to cause precipitation of this mineral out of solution. When this is done on the level we see happening during the flood we get very large deposits of pure mineral. Obviously the massive amounts of lime was brought up from the chambers surrounding the fountains of the great deep. The evidence points to the massive deposits like the white cliffs of Dover being placed there by castastrophic hydrological forces.
We can look at what slow accumulation looks like and there is a vast difference. Pure lime deposits have very little or no evidence of animal shells or skeletal remains and are huge and deep. Whereas slow accumulation deposits are thin and are heterogenous or mixed up with other minerals and they are primarily ground up animal shells. Chalk is lime that is ground up so fine that it's similar to taulkum powder and would have to had been ground that small by some great forces. As the pieces get smaller the force required to make it smaller increases. Chalk was not produced by animals or grinding forces we see on the surface. The majority of it is the product of precipitation on a massive basis and transported there by huge currents.
Some creationist have done calculations on the amount of lime that we have all over our planet and there hasn't been enough time according to the mainstream paradigm to produce the vast amount of lime we have on the planet. Additionally, the chemistry is not right for the way it's being produced by animals. The concentration of lime in the oceans could not have produced the mass we see. Chemicals in solution seek equilibrium so if things have been the same in the distant past as they are now the oceans could not have produced these deposits.
In any case I mentioned the age of the ice core samples what is your excuse for those?
I've already addressed that. Ice can layer like that very rapidly. They have multiple laying of ice that would show age wise to be up to 20,000 years old, that have been produced in less than 10 years. What they do is make assumptions based on what happens in some documented cases. You have to look at and consider all the evidence. Mainstream science does not want to really do that because if they did they would have to re-think most of their theories. Lake varves are another layering phenomenon that is easily explained by what happens dynamically with water.
Not really but their theories are still just that theories for an unusal situation, but that does not make the flood theory work any better.
see Joggins fossiles
http://www.expressnews.ualberta.ca/article.cfm?id=6690
Or see the following for an explaination of how this issue is not what the young earth creationists pretend it is.
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/polystrate/trees.html
These explanations show how far the human mind can go to rationalize away solid evidence so they can hang onto their precious theories. To the untrained mind they can be very convincing and sound reasonable. The polystrates I have seen were uncovered by a mixed team of geologists and creationist. They were going along and talking about the age of this column and that column etc. then when they uncovered the polystrate they just got very quiet. When asked how they could explain this phenomenon they just stood there dumb-founded. Polystrates are irrefuteble evidence that formations had to form rapidly not by slow accumulation. BTW, talkorigins is a atheistic site dedicated to refuting anything that has to do with the flood/God/intelligent design or the Bible.
God Bless
Jim Larmore