Rep Pete Stark's proclamation for National Day of Reason

[Trogool]

I don't think that at all.

Then I don't know why you brought it up.

 

[Trogool]

They prayed over the Declaration of Independence, the war, and the Constitutional Convention to be sure they were in God's will. Look it up. They didn't believe they were creating a country without the presence of God.

Who cares? The governance of the United States is determined by the Constitution, not what armchair historians think men centuries dead may have thought as personal opinions.

 

[IisJustMe]

Who cares? The governance of the United States is determined by the Constitution, not what armchair historians think men centuries dead may have thought as personal opinions.

And the Constitution is a static document written by men under the influence -- to varying degrees, agreed, but nonetheless under the influence -- of God, the God of the Universe, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. "Who cares?" You should. Since you obviously don't, then you're probably posting in the wrong forum -- on the wrong website.

 

[Trogool]

And the Constitution is a static document written by men under the influence -- to varying degrees, agreed, but nonetheless under the influence -- of God, the God of the Universe, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. "Who cares?" You should.

Why should I?

Since you obviously don't, then you're probably posting in the wrong forum -- on the wrong website.

It is just so painful when we have to deal with differing opinions.

"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." --Aristotle

 

[tranz4md]

Why should I?



It is just so painful when we have to deal with differing opinions.

"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." --Aristotle

I don't get my wisdom from Aristotle but from the word of God who says, 'For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness,' Romans 1:18 and 'Professing to be wise, they became fools,' Romans 1:22

Anyone who wants to continue to use their own wisdom (humanistic REASON) apart from the Holy Spirit and God's truth found in His word chooses to live deceived.

 

[Touma]

I don't get my wisdom from Aristotle but from the word of God who says, 'For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness,' Romans 1:18 and 'Professing to be wise, they became fools,' Romans 1:22

Anyone who wants to continue to use their own wisdom (humanistic REASON) apart from the Holy Spirit and God's truth found in His word chooses to live deceived.

Well, let's make sure you stay silent then. Stop using your womanly wisdom to try to explain scripture, and let the men speak.

 

[IisJustMe]

I don't get my wisdom from Aristotle but from the word of God who says, 'For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness,' Romans 1:18 and 'Professing to be wise, they became fools,' Romans 1:22

Anyone who wants to continue to use their own wisdom (humanistic REASON) apart from the Holy Spirit and God's truth found in His word chooses to live deceived.

Pardon my stealing from the younger generation, but "You go, girl!" (Really, old white guys shouldn't talk like that.)

 

[Jase]

I'm not outraged, I'm disappointed. I know I belong to Christ, I'm secure. But, what about the younger generations who are being led away from God by the government's insidious laws that are taking our nation that was founded on God away from them.

Id say the younger generation is being led away by Conservative religious folk. Nothing is a bigger turn off from Christianity than Fundamentalism and Evangelicalism.

And this country most certainly was not founded on your version of God. Many of the founders rejected Christ's divinity and the Trinity. Jefferson thought most of the Bible was a load of superstitious junk.

And changing the National Day of Prayer to the National Day of Reason is just another attempt of indoctrinating us to believe we don't need God we only need humanism through "reason".

Since God is the embodiment of logic and reason, I'd say the 2 can coexist. Apparently a certain segment of Christians don't like reason or logic.

This is a spiritual battle we are facing my friend and the enemy knows his time is short.

So people have been saying for 2000 years. This boy who cries wolf facade is getting very tiresome.

 

[Jase]

Of course not, the Holy Spirit's indwelling confirms that can't happen.

All I'm saying is that like everything else 'worldly' this National Day of Reason meant to replace the National Day of Prayer is a political worldly attempt to puff man up with pride, arrogance, self-reliance on their own 'Reason' of the mind' rather than a humble dependence on our Creator God through 'Prayer'.

If prayer is a substitute for reason, why didn't prayer build computers, or cure diseases, or allow airplanes to fly, or end slavery and segregation, or stop the nazis, etc. etc. etc. etc.?

It seems reliance on our God given reasoning and intellect is what allows you to post on this forum and whine about us using reason. Ironic.

 

[Jase]

That's why our nation today is really beginning to see the judgement of God and the removal of His protected hand on this country.

We as a nation have forgotten God and we are forgetting Him more and more through these attempts in government to silence Him in any way they can.



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Sorry that argument doesn't fly. The highest quality of living places on Earth are far more secular and unreligious than we are. The worst places on Earth are extremely religious.

America hasn't succeeded because God thinks we're special, it succeeded because we have more money and bigger weapons than anyone else. Both of which are anti-God.

We're the last nation on Earth God would support. We are the modern day Roman Empire.

 

[Jase]

And the Constitution is a static document written by men under the influence -- to varying degrees, agreed, but nonetheless under the influence -- of God, the God of the Universe, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. "Who cares?" You should. Since you obviously don't, then you're probably posting in the wrong forum -- on the wrong website.

Why on Earth would I think a warmongering, greedy, corrupted Empire is supported by God?

Was God pro-Roman Empire when it was ransacking the world?

 

[Trogool]

I don't get my wisdom from Aristotle but from the word of God who says, 'For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness,' Romans 1:18 and 'Professing to be wise, they became fools,' Romans 1:22

Anyone who wants to continue to use their own wisdom (humanistic REASON) apart from the Holy Spirit and God's truth found in His word chooses to live deceived.

Do you even know what Aristotle meant? What you said has nothing to do with what I said. I made a comment that it is the mark of the educated to be able to handle differing opinions, and you respond with some strange bit against philosophy and being apart from God.

 

[IisJustMe]

Why on Earth would I think a warmongering, greedy, corrupted Empire is supported by God?

Why on earth would you think any "empire" on earth is not to one extent or another greedy and corrupt? As for "warmongering" I think Colin Powell answered that best:

[F]ar from being the Great Satan, I would say that we are the Great Protector. We have sent men and women from the armed forces of the United States to other parts of the world throughout the past century to put down oppression. We defeated Fascism. We defeated Communism. We saved Europe in World War I and World War II. We were willing to do it, glad to do it. We went to Korea. We went to Vietnam. All in the interest of preserving the rights of people.

And when all those conflicts were over, what did we do? Did we stay and conquer? Did we say, "Okay, we defeated Germany. Now Germany belongs to us? We defeated Japan, so Japan belongs to us"? No. What did we do? We built them up. We gave them democratic systems which they have embraced totally to their soul. And did we ask for any land? No, the only land we ever asked for was enough land to bury our dead. And that is the kind of nation we are.
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Was God pro-Roman Empire when it was ransacking the world?

No, but unlike the US, the Roman Empire was not founded by Christian men on Christian principles.

 

[Godcreatedsteve]

But then, this is what His word declares for the latter days. We are in them and Christ is soon to catch away His Bride before the real hell and madness starts.

This seems so over the top. How is freedom of speech, and the right for everyone top express their own religious views (or lack thereof) a threat to your beliefs? How is it evidence "America is rapidly falling into Satan's abyss and the elite's who are following his Luciferian doctrine are dragging us all with them." ?

I'm so tired of Christians who like to pretend they are being persecuted for their beliefs when the reality is the other way around. This Congressman was simply voicing his own religious views. He knew that it would get nowhere, there is no danger of changing the 'national day of prayer' (which is ironic in itself since Jesus said we were not to make a big show of praying). But for expressing his own views, he is demonized and compared to Satan. I rather think you proved his point - how religion without reason can be dangerous.

 

[tranz4md]

Well, let's make sure you stay silent then. Stop using your womanly wisdom to try to explain scripture, and let the men speak.

You're not very nice with your remarks and I have no intention of being ugly to anyone so I will not respond to your reply in a defensive manner but I will say this everyone has a right to their opinion but when a person is in Christ they don't intentionally try to offend others with their comments.

Have a blessed evening Touma

 

[tranz4md]

Do you even know what Aristotle meant? What you said has nothing to do with what I said. I made a comment that it is the mark of the educated to be able to handle differing opinions, and you respond with some strange bit against philosophy and being apart from God.

You're not very nice with your remarks and I have no intention of being ugly to anyone so I will not respond to your reply in a defensive manner but I will say this everyone has a right to their opinion but when a person is in Christ they don't intentionally try to offend others with their comments.

Have a blessed evening Touma

...and Trogool
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[tranz4md]

This seems so over the top. How is freedom of speech, and the right for everyone top express their own religious views (or lack thereof) a threat to your beliefs? How is it evidence "America is rapidly falling into Satan's abyss and the elite's who are following his Luciferian doctrine are dragging us all with them." ?

I'm so tired of Christians who like to pretend they are being persecuted for their beliefs when the reality is the other way around. This Congressman was simply voicing his own religious views. He knew that it would get nowhere, there is no danger of changing the 'national day of prayer' (which is ironic in itself since Jesus said we were not to make a big show of praying). But for expressing his own views, he is demonized and compared to Satan. I rather think you proved his point - how religion without reason can be dangerous.

The right for everyone to express their own religious views is fine but for all those that do, they're on their way to hell. God's way and His word are truth, period.

This is no threat to my belief whatsoever. It saddens my heart though to see that so many are soooooooooo on the wrong path.

Are you a Christian? If so, why are you so defensive?

Again if you serve the Lord and He is your Savior wouldn't you be disheartened at the fact they want to take prayer out of our nation?

And reason without relationship with Jesus is dead in the water.

 

[WilliamB]

This seems so over the top. How is freedom of speech, and the right for everyone top express their own religious views (or lack thereof) a threat to your beliefs? How is it evidence "America is rapidly falling into Satan's abyss and the elite's who are following his Luciferian doctrine are dragging us all with them." ?

I'm so tired of Christians who like to pretend they are being persecuted for their beliefs when the reality is the other way around. This Congressman was simply voicing his own religious views. He knew that it would get nowhere, there is no danger of changing the 'national day of prayer' (which is ironic in itself since Jesus said we were not to make a big show of praying). But for expressing his own views, he is demonized and compared to Satan. I rather think you proved his point - how religion without reason can be dangerous.

Ah good old "Christians". Without them, who would hate everyone else?

Prayer is supposed to be in private. Why are people speaking out against something that Christ specifically taught against? It defies logic, reason and the bible.

It's that elites thing that I'm better than everybody else. Very common in cult sections of America like the Midwest bible belt and central Florida. It's that arrogant thinking that this is a Christian nation completely ignoring the constitution but when it comes to a healthcare mandate, it's "He's violating the constitution!!". "Get the socialist!!!". .

Hypocrisy....Jews invented it, Christians perfected it.

 

[Jase]

[/INDENT]No, but unlike the US, the Roman Empire was not founded by Christian men on Christian principles.

Neither was the United States. You would be one of the first people to call the founding fathers not "True Christians" if they were alive today. Fundamentalism did not exist yet.

 

[Trogool]

Reason is also a good thing. Christians should embrace it.

Symphony of Science - A Wave of Reason - YouTube