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Renouncing Religion

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From this point forth, I will now identify as atheist. Probably about 75% of my reasoning for dumping Christianity has to do with the logical fallacies I've found in its teachings. The other 25% that drove to my identification as an atheist has to do with the bigoted attitudes of ultra-conservative churches, and the sociopolitical turmoil that is inherently produced with the existence of religions. I no longer wish to be identified with any organizations that endorse and impose religious beliefs. Thank you, and good day.

It is a sad day then, that you chose to align yourself with the evils of the Atheism Religion. :liturgy:Let me assure you, God is displeased by atheism. It is the religion of hate and destruction and its tenets are Communism, its political expression with the likes of Stalin and Kim as the Popes.

What logical fallacies are you referring to? The Bible is the inspired and perfect Word of the Lord, the only ones who claim it has contradictions do not understand theology and willfully refuse to read up on theology. All possible contradictions and "inaccuracies" have been addressed countless times and you can find them all over the Internet. But atheists, agnostics and scoffers are mislead by the dark one Satan who wants to see everyone burning in Hell for eternity. They don't like to read anything other than other atheist books and sites.

And Christianity has the history to back it up: Universities, hospitals, schools, all started in Christianity. Culture = Christianity. Why has Christianity succeeded so well if it is "flawed" lol. No other religion has the same success rate and atheism's only accomplishment is murder: Stalin was the figure of Atheism similar to how other religions have a leader. Without God there is no morality, everyone would just be selfish and the world would turn into a mafia with a lot of killing and raping and plundering, same as before the Flood I guess.


Christianity is not about being a "bigot" it is about spreading the Word of God. Just because the Word offends you does not mean you may not follow it. God never forgets and he can send your soul to Hell for eternity when your life ends.

As for the few Christians who abuse their favor with God and rape little boys or killed sinners (such as in Inquisition period), they are NOT acting according to the Bible and will meet the same fate as atheists, agnostics and other non-believers and evil doers. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if they were secretly atheists, Christians are explicitly forbidden from raping little boys (NO rape allowed in Christianity, NO premarital sex allowed in Christianity) or killing sinners (THOU SHALL NOT KILL - 10 COMMANDMENTS). So if that is true, (although impossible to verify but only because only God truly knows the hearts of men) then in fact pedophile priests, inquisitors and other hypocritical Christians could in fact be false Christians that don't truly believe in God. Which means Atheism is probably responsible for all evils in the world like Inquisitions and Crusades and war.
 
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You are making the classical atheist mistake, shooting the messenger.

Of course, the Word of God offends the sinner, he wants to continue sinning and denying God. All for what? What will the sinner gain if he gains all the world and loses his soul?

Atheist, it is my duty to tell you: God loves you and sent his son Jesus Christ to die for your sins. But if you turn your back on his sacrifice, there is no hope for you. Hell awaits.
 
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You are making the classical atheist mistake, shooting the messenger.

Of course, the Word of God offends the sinner, he wants to continue sinning and denying God. All for what? What will the sinner gain if he gains all the world and loses his soul?

Atheist, it is my duty to tell you: God loves you and sent his son Jesus Christ to die for your sins. But if you turn your back on his sacrifice, there is no hope for you. Hell awaits.

I'll bring the graham crackers and chocolate. You bring the marshmallows and sticks. We're gonna make some tasty s'mores over the lake of fire.
 
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Christians are explicitly forbidden from raping little boys (NO rape allowed in Christianity, NO premarital sex allowed in Christianity) or killing sinners (THOU SHALL NOT KILL - 10 COMMANDMENTS). So if that is true, (although impossible to verify but only because only God truly knows the hearts of men) then in fact pedophile priests, inquisitors and other hypocritical Christians could in fact be false Christians that don't truly believe in God. Which means Atheism is probably responsible for all evils in the world like Inquisitions and Crusades and war.
I think you need to be careful here, atheism is a label for people who happen to not believe God exists. Christianity is a label for some of the people who do happen to believe God exists, and the name "Christian" even encompasses idolaters that somehow manage to invent a God that permits the heinous crimes you mention. So I would suggest you need to think a bit more before saying that sinful Christians are atheist, I suspect you are probably wrong about that.
 
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I think you need to be careful here, atheism is a label for people who happen to not believe God exists. Christianity is a label for some of the people who do happen to believe God exists, and the name "Christian" even encompasses idolaters that somehow manage to invent a God that permits the heinous crimes you mention. So I would suggest you need to think a bit more before saying that sinful Christians are atheist, I suspect you are probably wrong about that.

Hello, brother in Christ.:) Okay, I admit I got a little carried away.

But I still have trouble figuring out how a Christian (in heart, not just in name) can rape little boys, it's not an impulse of the moment, it's a premeditated act and a very blatant violation of God's Law. A Christian teen-ager with minimal Christian education knows rape is wrong.

Same for Inquisition.

So maybe they weren't atheists, but it was either a severe delusion at best possibly Satanic, or a hidden agenda at worst. As I said, I cannot demonstrate this since only God knows the hearts of these men.
 
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Hello, brother in Christ.:) Okay, I admit I got a little carried away.

But I still have trouble figuring out how a Christian (in heart, not just in name) can rape little boys, it's not an impulse of the moment, it's a premeditated act and a very blatant violation of God's Law. A Christian teen-ager with minimal Christian education knows rape is wrong.

Same for Inquisition.

So maybe they weren't atheists, but it was either a severe delusion at best possibly Satanic, or a hidden agenda at worst. As I said, I cannot demonstrate this since only God knows the hearts of these men.

I think you are probably right. Just because a person reads the Holy Bible doesn't mean they worship Jesus Christ and YHWH. Jesus knew all this, which is why He was in conflict with the Pharisee's (remember Him saying "do as they say, not as they do"?). Consider this verse:

Matthew 6:23
New Living Translation (NLT)
23 But when your eye is bad, your whole body is filled with darkness. And if the light you think you have is actually darkness, how deep that darkness is!

Note that this doesn't mean these false Christians have less faith in God, it's just that they don't have the authentic Holy Spirit that Jesus received upon His baptism, it is most likely a demonic spirit they consult who lies and declares itself to be The Holy Spirit. I have met people like this and Jesus is right, the darkness is deep. If it was The Holy Spirit they had, they'd be forced to repent just as we are forced to give up our sinful ways, but no, these perverts go right on sinning like there is no tomorrow and therefore demonstrate that Christ is not in them and they are not in Christ. Do be careful how you use this knowledge though, no-one likes a finger pointer and it is against the forum rules to single out a particular group and call them demonic, so we can only speak in most general terms about these things.
 
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The Earth is 4.54 billion years old. The Bible points toward an Earth that was created only a few thousand years ago. Common sense aptly explains the absurdity that is the latter measurement. Mind you, this isn't the only reason that I find the Bible bogus.

I encourage you all to read literature outside of the Bible. And if you have a third-grade reading level, as most people who outright reject scientific fact do, sorry, I can't help you.
Well all I can say is you had a very small god to begin with, you see my God isn't bound by time or space, you can try to measure his creation by such methods but in the end like He stated mans wisdom is foolishness to Him. how old was Adam when he was created, you have the notion that God must follow some sort of rules that He must begin life with sperm and an egg, but God can create a fully grown man, and where in the bible does it say exactly what God used to create the earth, He very well my have used material, that had been something eles before. maybe even a whole other planet. ever wonder where the angels came from. maybe they went through a whole earth episode as we are, and were living on the remains of a newly reconstructed earth that still bears features of what it used to be.......who knows for sure, while I can't understand a God who is so far above the capabilities of my mind, it would be foolish to think I could understand everything about Him and what and how He creates. bottom line is He said he would make the wise look foolish in the end......so if I'm not considering myself wise by mans standards I won't be the one looking foolish in the end. I wish you well, I wish you had an encounter like me, that you would know beyond all doubt that He exist, and it doesn't matter what people say or what proof they have, when you have such an encounter it makes all arguement mute. one word from God changes everything
 
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much like the old Tv show touched by an angel, I had once believed in God but decided His ways weren't the way I wanted to live so I lived a completely sinful life, and it led me to finally living in a junkyard and eating out of trash cans, I had made some really bad mistakes and had a gang out to get me, was chased a couple times running through yards, jumping over fences, running down aqua ducts and climbing through sewer pipes to escape. then one morning after a close call the night before, I was waiting at a bus stop and this heavy set man walks up to me and I could tell he was the chatty type so I kinda gave him the cold shoulder after he made some comment as to how we just missed the bus, since we could see the bus had just been to this stop and we could still see it going up the road. I acknowledged his observation and mumbled somthing like I might as well get somthing to eat, I had a few dollars so I went inside a fast food joint that was right behind the bus stop, he said "I think I will too" I was wishing he would of stayed there, but as I entered the restuarant he wasn't behind me and while for a second I wondered where he went I was happy he was gone. I ordered my food and when I got it, I decided to eat it inside since that guy was probably still outside, as I walked into the seating area there he was and he had a tray of food in front of him, I was dumbfounded "how did he get that food, he wasn't even at the counter"? just then he looked directly at me and said "why don't you join me" and if you knew me, the first thing I was thinking of was "____ ____ you fat ____ ____" but all of a sudden my body against my will moved and I was literally seated at his table and I had no idea what had just happened, and before I could even think he put out his hand and said "Hi my name is Bill" and completely flabbergasted I said Hi and before I could say anything else he looked at me with his eyes and said "I bet your from Michigan" and I was some 18 years ago, and I said yeah how do you know that?....and he laughed this big belly laugh and said "just a coinsedence" and then with his intense eyes looking directly into mine he said "I bet you have an older brother and an older sister, and I do....one of each so I said "how do you know that?" and he laughed again and said "just a lucky guess" well now I was pretty freaked out and it was even going to get worse because he began answering questions as I was thinking them in my head, I thought is this guy gay or somthing and he responded listen I'm not gay and this and that, and this happened about few times and he could see I was getting very nervous about it, then he asked me when was the last time I had talked with my parents, and I was thinking "who was this guy" I hadn't talked with my parents in three years, since I was living completely against the ways I was raised. and he was beginning to pull on some heart strings and I could feel a little tear welling up in my eye, so I had to get out of there, I remember him telling me before I left "well be careful" and I thought why would a stranger say that? and what the _____just happened, I never would have allowed anyone to talk to me that way, making me feel all sensitive like that, I watched a guy get mauled by a pitbull while eating my lunch, when people asked me why I didn't help him I calmly exclaimed I didn't want my food to get cold. I was a cold heartless criminal, if you knew me before you would wonder how I didn't kick that guy through the window. It was about a couple weeks later and this gang situation was getting worse, they were gathering outside the junkyard where I lived and discussing their options, I went inside one of the garages and all of a sudden I heard this voice and its really hard to explain but it was like whole sentences were dropped into my head but I could hear them, First of all what was strange is they were calling my birth name, and not the name I had taken on years ago, I hadn't even had someone call me that name for 13 yrs and I answered the voice "great I'm hearing voices I think I'm finally losing my mind"....your not losing your mind but you are in great danger the people outside are planning to kill you"......"ahhh great who are you"? I asked...."Rick I'm an angel and I'm here to help you".....Ohh don't say that! of all the people on this planet I'm least deserving of any help from an angel"...."yes your right about that but do you know how many people have been praying for you".....my respones "Ahh I don't want to hear this" as my stomach is now dropping then the angel says "Rick nothing moves an angel faster than the prayers of a little girl, your niece has been praying for you and thats why I'm here" It was that sentence that pushed me over the edge I started bawling on the floor thinking I am completely losing my mind, thinking how unworthy I am to be saved, that somehow God still loved me, I said "I can't believe I'm talking to an angel" and the voice returned "well it wouldn't be the first time and He laughed that big belly laugh and it was like I was allowed to reconize the voice and I exclaimed "BILL" and he said remember this Rick theres no such thing as luck and theres no such thing as coinsedence......and I recalled what had happened in our previous encounter, I then realized all my sin it was sickning to know that everything had been witnessed that God had seen it all, I repented for all my sin and promised God I would try to live for Him, and all of a sudden it was like a giant unseen hand reached inside my chest and pulled out all these evil spirits and I could literally hear them scream, they were yelling at the top of their lungs all the lies they had once whispered in my ear, things they said using my own voice, to make it seem they were my ideas and my thoughts......but soon they were gone and the last thing Bill said was I have a plan to get you out of there, and about an hour later the junkyards owners son came back there and said how would you like to go to Michigan tommorow and I couldn't believe it, because I didn't have any more money and had no idea how I was going to get out of there.........I've been completly transformed, If you knew me before even you would praise God.
 
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I'd request everyone to stop mocking each other. I don't not see Christs love inspiring most of these responses.

I'd like to ask how you think the earth was created if not by God?
Also, it seems to me most of your problems are with flawed humans, and not with Jesus.
The Bible doesn't contradict itself if you read it in context. Out of context it of course can mean anything.

I won't say the 6 days are metaphorical or not. I will say that no human can posses all knowledge.

Lastly, what do you think of Jesus now? Who was He, if not the Son of God?
 
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Also I'd like to tack on that God won't make Himself 100% provable. He leaves us evidence but not enough to leave no doubt. God must leave doubt, because if you couldn't doubt God, how could you have faith in Him. God desires our faith not our works. And it would be easy to believe in God if He was walking across the earth 8 miles tall. But He's not, He's not completely provable, and so you must have faith in His promises.

Satan likes to make us so proud that we feel we must and can understand everything. Even though we clearly can't.
 
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Also I'd like to tack on that God won't make Himself 100% provable. He leaves us evidence but not enough to leave no doubt. God must leave doubt, because if you couldn't doubt God, how could you have faith in Him. God desires our faith not our works. And it would be easy to believe in God if He was walking across the earth 8 miles tall. But He's not, He's not completely provable, and so you must have faith in His promises.

Satan likes to make us so proud that we feel we must and can understand everything. Even though we clearly can't.
I'm not sure that is universally true, yes while in most cases God is very elusive and mysterious, but He wasn't elusive and mysterious to a whole lot of people old and new testiment, from Abraham, to Moses God has made Himself known, even the Israelites seen His mighty hand at the working of miracles, and deliverance, The Apostles, came face to face with the Son of God as well as Paul who received a no seeker friendly approach. Even today as the Holy Spirit moves people can have a God encounter where He will speak to their hearts, and just one word from God removes any and all doubt, because His words touch a part of your soul that only God can reach and its a game changer for sure when it happens.
 
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Thank you, you are wise.
Hardly! I've wasted a good portion of my life following my own wisdom, which led to destruction, only an ignorant man would be given the truth at a young age, and reject it to follow the ways of this world, any wisdom I have is simply from making bad choices, the bible is the best guide for living, and the Holy Spirit the best guide to lead you into all truth.
 
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Hardly! I've wasted a good portion of my life following my own wisdom, which led to destruction, only an ignorant man would be given the truth at a young age, and reject it to follow the ways of this world, any wisdom I have is simply from making bad choices, the bible is the best guide for living, and the Holy Spirit the best guide to lead you into all truth.

It's obviously not the best way for everyone.
 
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It's obviously not the best way for everyone.

On the contrary, I'd argue not everyone (really anyone) follows the Bible or the Holy Spirit properly. And people tend to blame God or say His guides weren't good enough, when in reality we are called to realize, we aren't good enough, and thanks be to God for giving us a way to become good enough (Jesus dying on the cross, when we die, we then will become reflections of Him).
 
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On the contrary, I'd argue not everyone (really anyone) follows the Bible or the Holy Spirit properly. And people tend to blame God or say His guides weren't good enough, when in reality we are called to realize, we aren't good enough, and thanks be to God for giving us a way to become good enough (Jesus dying on the cross, when we die, we then will become reflections of Him).

You run into another issue here when you use the word "properly" there is no one "proper" way of following the Bible.
 
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On the contrary, I'd argue not everyone (really anyone) follows the Bible or the Holy Spirit properly. And people tend to blame God or say His guides weren't good enough, when in reality we are called to realize, we aren't good enough, and thanks be to God for giving us a way to become good enough (Jesus dying on the cross, when we die, we then will become reflections of Him).
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