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Rename this forum?

Should we rename this subforum to help give it a more spiritual focus?

  • Yes, change it to "Theologically Conservative" or something to make it sound less political.

  • "Conservative Christians" is good enough and this title is already doing its job.


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We all know what this forum is supposed to be about - we've got our statement of purpose here. But the title I think, has led to this forum being more about politics than about the faith. I'm a political guy, but I would be in favor of changing the forum title to more accurately reflect the statement of purpose, and thus get more activity and focus on the spiritual end of things. I would suggest "Theologically Conservative," but if someone has a better idea for a title that would give the forum a more spiritual focus, that's fine too - please share it.

Mods: If this isn't the "right" way to do this anymore, please direct me to what is.
 

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We all know what this forum is supposed to be about - we've got our statement of purpose here. But the title I think, has led to this forum being more about politics than about the faith. I'm a political guy, but I would be in favor of changing the forum title to more accurately reflect the statement of purpose, and thus get more activity and focus on the spiritual end of things. I would suggest "Theologically Conservative," but if someone has a better idea for a title that would give the forum a more spiritual focus, that's fine too - please share it.

Mods: If this isn't the "right" way to do this anymore, please direct me to what is.


Well I agree with you and your title seems appropriate. Now if only everyone would read all of it. For example right now the title is Conservative Christians. Apparently that meaning is lost at some point. Still it can't hurt to try can it?

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Doesn’t really matter what you call the forum…and honestly…I never really understood the whole “I’m theologically conservative but politically/socially liberal” thingy. As most Believers that are “theologically” conservative are generally politically and socially conservative as well…

…because it’s our faith that forms ALL aspects of our lives...our morals, values and standards (theologically or sociopolitically) as we work out our salvation with fear and trembling…

For instance…how can someone be theologically conservative and yet politically and socially support the immorality, unrighteousness and worldly standards of the issues/leaders…. that are in direct conflict with the timeless, traditional tenets of faith and practice as revealed in God’s word?

Though we as Believers are not OF the world…we are still however IN the world and it would be rather difficult to separate our theological views from our social and political views. Especially when Jesus tells us to “Watch and pray”.... Why “watch”…why not just “pray”

Mar 13:28 "Now learn this parable from the fig tree: When its branch has already become tender, and puts forth leaves, you know that summer is near.
Mar 13:29 So you also, when you see these things happening, know that it is near--at the doors!
Mar 13:30 Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place.
Mar 13:31 Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will by no means pass away.

Mar 13:32 "But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.
Mar 13:33 Take heed, watch and pray; for you do not know when the time is.


And while we should always take care not to get too focused on and entangled in these things…discussing current events, issues and the ways of our leadership.... certainly sheds light how Scripture is unfolding right before our eyes.

Keeping in mind…false teachers are not always speaking standing behind a pulpit but also speak from positions of political/social power: (And some like Jesse Jackson, Jeremiah Wright and such...from both)

2Pe 2:18 For when they speak great swelling words of emptiness, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through lewdness, the ones who have actually escaped from those who live in error.
2Pe 2:19 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are slaves of corruption; for by whom a person is overcome, by him also he is brought into bondage.
2Pe 2:20 For if, after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the latter end is worse for them than the beginning.
2Pe 2:21 For it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered to them.
2Pe 2:22 But it has happened to them according to the true proverb: "A dog returns to his own vomit," and, "a sow, having washed, to her wallowing in the mire."


And, I’ll probably get nailed for this because somewhere along the way….sharing our thoughts or criticisms regarding the “leadership” in CF became a big NO NO.

…but this is exactly why these forums have disintegrated into deserted forums rather than the abundant Christian Forums they once were.

But the growing Liberal view/mindset (theological or otherwise) in membership and administration decided that Conservative Christianity no longer had a welcomed place in these forums…and set out to reconstruct everything to be more adherent to a Liberal theological/sociopolitical view and mindset…

...and with an agenda of disdain set out to limit…if not to completely avert ALL aspects of conservative Christianity from these forums....especially our sociopolitical views that might actually expose the social decay and rebellion toward God... we see waxing worse and worse...that SCREAMS evidence of the growing and desparate need of our Lord and Savior, Christ Jesus...and the transformed lives of those in Christ.

IOW they wanted to do everything they could to stop us (consciously or subconsciously) from shining a light on these issues that are serious indicators of the degradation of the morals, values and standards of LIFE that not only are pleasing to God…but those that even acknowledge God in our society….let alone placing God first.

So while it’s all cool and groovy to be all…”more about theology and less about politics” how is it better to turn a blind eye and a mute tongue to the course of this world that is headed to rebellion and destruction.

How is it better to shy away from the sociopolitical issues that lead people further and further into bondage and away from God?

Maybe someone in Sodom should have said…”hey…look how we are living as a society…if we keep this up…God will rain fire and brimstone down on us” Keeping in mind…Sodom’s sin was not homosexuality…homosexuality was just an outward manifestation of a much deeper inner sin condition.

Not to mention…the destruction of Sodom was to be a testimony and example of how God deals with ungodly communities.

2Pe 2:6 and turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah into ashes, condemned them to destruction, making them an example to those who afterward would live ungodly;
2Pe 2:7 and delivered righteous Lot, who was oppressed by the filthy conduct of the wicked
2Pe 2:8 (for that righteous man, dwelling among them, tormented his righteous soul from day to day by seeing and hearing their lawless deeds)--

I dunno…maybe we are to be like Lot…tortured and tight lipped as we watch the unrighteousness and lawlessness wax worse and worse around us.

I agree with Billy Graham who said…if God doesn’t judge America….he will have to apologize to Sodom and Gomorrah…


Statements of “faith” became statements of “purpose” and with the new “purpose” the CC forum opened up to be more INclusive to liberal views AND liberal theology…while WWMC was arranged to become more EXclusive and protected…from us bad, horrible, hateful Conservatives.

But I digress….back in the day…the MANY regular members of this forum tried to get a political or sociopolitical subforum…where CC Christians could discuss these issues and current events among themselves in peace without conflict away from the main forum…which certainly would have solved the issue of too many sociopolitical topics on the main board….but noooooo….DENIED….and we were told we’d be lucky if we got to keep our forum AT ALL!

And a forum that had dozens of members…that participated daily has dwelt down to what…a handful that post here and there?

Well…at least Admin should be pleased now…they have been quite successful in dismantling the forum(s) and disposing of a good many Conservative Christians…theological or otherwise.

However….such is the way of the world…and ye old chestnut...theology vs politics is still roasting nicely on an open fire...:sorry:
 
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Perhaps it wouldn't be a bad idea to change it (although it shouldn't have to be). Then I (not to mention others such as myself) would feel a little more at home with my somewhat moderate political leanings. The thing with politics is I just don't think any of it (Republican or otherwise) is as moral as it ought to be, and no party is really a "Christian" party no matter how much we psyche ourselves into believing such a notion, especially knowing that there are a fair number Republicans (or other political conservatives) who don't care diddley-squat about morals (let alone basic Biblical principles), so this should show that there is more to it all then what is being presented. People will have a variety of reasons for voting how they vote (and some choose not to vote at all), and it should never, at any time, be used to measure one's "holiness level". But if anyone feels they are conservative in the sense that they try to obey God's Word to the best of their ability without compromise, then they should find a welcome home in this section of the forums. Thus, I voted for the first option.
 
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Chris that was very well said and enlightening as well. Especially for me as I was not here when any of that stuff was going on. It is too bad that the creeping that Paul talked about is prevalent here as well as it is in the world too. It is too bad that Christ has set us free yet we aren't free in the world to be open about the digression of our brothers and sisters as the walk down the broad road.

Anyway I thank you for that tid bit it was well received at least by me and shows a great understanding of where we are and where we are heading. At the very least we need to be crying out because the enemy is at the gate.

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You said it, Cris. There's really very little conservative left about this forum anymore, so the few of us who are left have pretty much given up on it these days. The whole thing could probably be deleted and it wouldn't make an impact on CF as a whole.
 
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You said it, Cris. There's really very little conservative left about this forum anymore, so the few of us who are left have pretty much given up on it these days. The whole thing could probably be deleted and it wouldn't make an impact on CF as a whole.

Hey sister :hug: always nice to run into you!

Just for kicks and giggles...I gleaned through that debacle of a thread regarding the CC SoF... It should have been titled "Death to the Forum"

The CC forum really was moving back in those days...so many members and threads it was difficult to keep up with them all....and not just political…but theological and several fellowship threads that were so much fun!

Remember the "Off Topic" thread... ...that thread was hysterical...I was ROTFL so hard every time I read it!

What still amazes me...that all of this was in an effort to make a few politically liberal folks feel welcome...(and interestingly…all of this started shortly after Obama took office…coinky-dink?...I think not)

...but they never took into consideration the dozens of others (regular members) they made feel not only totally "unwelcome" but reviled.

And even more sad...those who complained about feeling "unwelcome" the most...those who were all about being "theologically" conservative...rarely...if ever...posted in the many theological and fellowship threads...

But were certainly Johnny on the Spot in any political thread....:doh:

Guess it just never occurred to any of them that simply not participating in the threads that made them feel unwelcome or that were of no interest would be the prudent and proper thing to do…

…and I guess it still isn’t just that simple...

And like I mentioned in my last post…doesn’t matter what you call the forum…current events and sociopolitical topics will still come up.

And I wonder why there is no consideration to develop a Conservative Theology forum in the…”Theology” section of CF? Like most of the other “topic oriented” forums.

Well…doesn’t it really matter to me personally anyway…I’m not a regular member here anymore…just an occasional pop-up. Kinda like spam ads…^_^


Always good to see you Des! :hug: Love ya!
 
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Hey sister :hug: always nice to run into you!

Just for kicks and giggles...I gleaned through that debacle of a thread regarding the CC SoF... It should have been titled "Death to the Forum"

The CC forum really was moving back in those days...so many members and threads it was difficult to keep up with them all....and not just political…but theological and several fellowship threads that were so much fun!

Remember the "Off Topic" thread... ...that thread was hysterical...I was ROTFL so hard every time I read it!

What still amazes me...that all of this was in an effort to make a few politically liberal folks feel welcome...(and interestingly…all of this started shortly after Obama took office…coinky-dink?...I think not)

...but they never took into consideration the dozens of others (regular members) they made feel not only totally "unwelcome" but reviled.

And even more sad...those who complained about feeling "unwelcome" the most...those who were all about being "theologically" conservative...rarely...if ever...posted in the many theological and fellowship threads...

But were certainly Johnny on the Spot in any political thread....:doh:

Guess it just never occurred to any of them that simply not participating in the threads that made them feel unwelcome or that were of no interest would be the prudent and proper thing to do…

…and I guess it still isn’t just that simple...

And like I mentioned in my last post…doesn’t matter what you call the forum…current events and sociopolitical topics will still come up.

And I wonder why there is no consideration to develop a Conservative Theology forum in the…”Theology” section of CF? Like most of the other “topic oriented” forums.

Well…doesn’t it really matter to me personally anyway…I’m not a regular member here anymore…just an occasional pop-up. Kinda like spam ads…^_^


Always good to see you Des! :hug: Love ya!
I remember the CC forum flying apart because conservatives (leaving the liberal leaning ones out for the moment here) couldn't stop flaming each other. Yes, the liberal folks posting here caused some dissent, but let's be real. Some folks here brought the forum down without any outside (read: liberal) help.

I won't say any names...
;)

As for renaming the forum, I actually have been thinking about that lately and I don't even come here that much anymore. It really is not accurate at all to slap a political label (conservative or liberal...I actually don't really like either label at all...but that's just me) on a group of Christian folks. It just seems like another fence that keeps us apart when you really think about it. And it seems to act like a shield for some to just slam people that don't belong to this group and that's just wrong and frankly cowardly. Yes, I think it is wrong when any group roundly insults another. It is part of the problem with the world today. We are all too quick to insult each other and we just don't know how to listen to what the other is saying.
 
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I remember the CC forum flying apart because conservatives (leaving the liberal leaning ones out for the moment here) couldn't stop flaming each other. Yes, the liberal folks posting here caused some dissent, but let's be real. Some folks here brought the forum down without any outside (read: liberal) help.

I won't say any names...
;)

As for renaming the forum, I actually have been thinking about that lately and I don't even come here that much anymore. It really is not accurate at all to slap a political label (conservative or liberal...I actually don't really like either label at all...but that's just me) on a group of Christian folks. It just seems like another fence that keeps us apart when you really think about it. And it seems to act like a shield for some to just slam people that don't belong to this group and that's just wrong and frankly cowardly. Yes, I think it is wrong when any group roundly insults another. It is part of the problem with the world today. We are all too quick to insult each other and we just don't know how to listen to what the other is saying.

You do have a point WWC :hug: But those were issues with individuals and and those individuals should be dealt with ummm...individually...and staff shouldn't have treated the entire CC forum as whole...based on the actions of a few. And...IMHO...it wasn't so much flaming each other...as the whole liberal vs conservative world view.

And IMHO...though it is a fine line to walk...we should remember that when discussing a particular "mindset" it's not necessarily bashing every individual that identifies with said group on some level.

Personally, I do have concerns about the Liberal mindset/philosophy...that certainly doesn't mean I have the same concern about EVERY liberal...and it certainly doesn't mean I consider every liberal the "enemy"

You and I both know...that both "camps" for lack of a better word... are just as guilty as the other when it comes to certain individuals...and being hot headed and/or disrespectful in support of their personal view.

And you and I both know...that it is possible to have meaningful relationships with those we may not always agree with on the issues...

Right...;)...ding dong....:hug:
 
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You do have a point WWC :hug: But those were issues with individuals and and those individuals should be dealt with ummm...individually...and staff shouldn't have treated the entire CC forum as whole...based on the actions of a few. And...IMHO...it wasn't so much flaming each other...as the whole liberal vs conservative world view.

And IMHO...though it is a fine line to walk...we should remember that when discussing a particular "mindset" it's not necessarily bashing every individual that identifies with said group on some level.

Personally, I do have concerns about the Liberal mindset/philosophy...that certainly doesn't mean I have the same concern about EVERY liberal...and it certainly doesn't mean I consider every liberal the "enemy"

You and I both know...that both "camps" for lack of a better word... are just as guilty as the other when it comes to certain individuals...and being hot headed and/or disrespectful in support of their personal view.

And you and I both know...that it is possible to have meaningful relationships with those we may not always agree with on the issues...

Right...;)...ding dong....:hug:

There was also a serious problem with several of the more vocal members here claiming to be conservative Christians, when in fact they were not. They used that claim to cause a LOT of trouble here, which in part led to the ruin of the forum, IMHO (along with some other things that I won't get into...).

I think that many of us wanted a conservative forum because so much of CF promotes a huge amount of false doctrine and even quite heretical beliefs at times. We wanted an area where much of that was not allowed so we could just fellowship with other like-minded Christians and discuss a wide range of topics, including politics from time to time. Yes, most of the people who wanted that have left CF now. If the current regulars here would prefer a more political forum, give 'er. That's not what its original purpose was though, and if that's what it becomes, I think it would be a real shame.
 
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There was also a serious problem with several of the more vocal members here claiming to be conservative Christians, when in fact they were not. They used that claim to cause a LOT of trouble here, which in part led to the ruin of the forum, IMHO (along with some other things that I won't get into...).

I think that many of us wanted a conservative forum because so much of CF promotes a huge amount of false doctrine and even quite heretical beliefs at times. We wanted an area where much of that was not allowed so we could just fellowship with other like-minded Christians and discuss a wide range of topics, including politics from time to time. Yes, most of the people who wanted that have left CF now. If the current regulars here would prefer a more political forum, give 'er. That's not what its original purpose was though, and if that's what it becomes, I think it would be a real shame.

But there's already a conservative political forum...in the politics section. Why make two? Thing is we have to expect there to be some politic discussion here when it comes up in any theological discussion so it isn't as though it can just be absolutely forbidden.
 
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But there's already a conservative political forum...in the politics section. Why make two? Thing is we have to expect there to be some politic discussion here when it comes up in any theological discussion so it isn't as though it can just be absolutely forbidden.
I agree. The liberal and moderate forums aren't restricted, why should this one be?
 
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Sadly...with this Admin it's like the flood gates have been opened in this country...not only against Conservative concerns as whole...not just things like the economy, foreign policy and the like...

...but Conservative theological issues as well....lifting the ban on Partial Birth Abortions by EO a mere two weeks after taking office.

And...all of us "ignorant, fearful people clinging to our guns and bibles" standing in the way of "progress"

And...whatever "we once were we are no longer a Christian nation"...

...and of course the resounding support of Obama's public mockery of Scripture...

Yes...Conservative Christians have a lot to consider since Obama took office... :(

...as the new messiah
 
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There was also a serious problem with several of the more vocal members here claiming to be conservative Christians, when in fact they were not. They used that claim to cause a LOT of trouble here, which in part led to the ruin of the forum, IMHO (along with some other things that I won't get into...).

I think that many of us wanted a conservative forum because so much of CF promotes a huge amount of false doctrine and even quite heretical beliefs at times. We wanted an area where much of that was not allowed so we could just fellowship with other like-minded Christians and discuss a wide range of topics, including politics from time to time. Yes, most of the people who wanted that have left CF now. If the current regulars here would prefer a more political forum, give 'er. That's not what its original purpose was though, and if that's what it becomes, I think it would be a real shame.

Yes...you would know better than I about that Des...I didn't participate in CC when all of that was going on...I know Nadiine did...All I remember is the CC Forum being shut down for a few days for cool off....and what they did to her during the SoF recon....was just purely unwarranted and vindictive...and it didn't matter how nice she was being...the truth itself is just offensive...to sadly...way too many.

But what really fluffs my bunny...and I've said it over and over...is this "conservative theologically" or being "conservative enough theologically" to participate in CC...is more often than not...just a passkey to defend liberal sociopolitical views.

And honestly...what I'm seeing in quite a bit of the theology...there seem to be quite a bit of liberal sociology mixed in with this "conservative" theology as well...:sorry:

It is what it is...and certainly not unexpected.
 
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You do have a point WWC :hug: But those were issues with individuals and and those individuals should be dealt with ummm...individually...and staff shouldn't have treated the entire CC forum as whole...based on the actions of a few. And...IMHO...it wasn't so much flaming each other...as the whole liberal vs conservative world view.

And IMHO...though it is a fine line to walk...we should remember that when discussing a particular "mindset" it's not necessarily bashing every individual that identifies with said group on some level.

Personally, I do have concerns about the Liberal mindset/philosophy...that certainly doesn't mean I have the same concern about EVERY liberal...and it certainly doesn't mean I consider every liberal the "enemy"

You and I both know...that both "camps" for lack of a better word... are just as guilty as the other when it comes to certain individuals...and being hot headed and/or disrespectful in support of their personal view.

And you and I both know...that it is possible to have meaningful relationships with those we may not always agree with on the issues...

Right...;)...ding dong....:hug:
Sorry, I missed this post when it came in!

I get where you are coming from. But let me ask you why you would consider any liberal the enemy? I don't see any particular group as my enemy (unless we're talking about al Qaeda...of whom bin Laden is the very recent former head). Just because someone has a differing view doesn't mean they should be an enemy. Maybe an irritant! But not an enemy.
:cool:

And yes, both camps do the same thing. I went to the liberal forum this week and have been saying the same thing to them. I am putting my money where my mouth is!
:thumbsup:

Sadly...with this Admin it's like the flood gates have been opened in this country...not only against Conservative concerns as whole...not just things like the economy, foreign policy and the like...

...but Conservative theological issues as well....lifting the ban on Partial Birth Abortions by EO a mere two weeks after taking office.

And...all of us "ignorant, fearful people clinging to our guns and bibles" standing in the way of "progress"

And...whatever "we once were we are no longer a Christian nation"...

...and of course the resounding support of Obama's public mockery of Scripture...

Yes...Conservative Christians have a lot to consider since Obama took office... :(

...as the new messiah
Talking about Obama as a new messiah to me is disturbing. For one, I don't know anyone who has come out and said that he is one! Or believes that he is one. The only people who seem to think that anyone thinks he is one is far-right conservatives.

As for the whole Christian Nation idea...that's just Ding Dongery at its finest right there.
:p
 
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As for the whole Christian Nation idea...that's just Ding Dongery at its finest right there.
:p

Actually, it's not. If you ever studied real American history, you would know that this nation was founded on Christian values, and that all the founders, except one, was devoutly Christian and relied on Christ through all that happened in the course of our bid for freedom. Of course, revisionist history has removed all traces of that, but if you search hard enough, you will find the truth about it. It is out there.
 
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