Removing the laws of God- what does it really mean?

[Nathan@work]

The physical would look like bowing down in front of a statue.

What do you mean by
"both the literal and the spiritual commandments"?

We should follow all of the literal words of all of the commandments. We are to follow them spiritually.

Does that answer your question?

So I gotta jump in and ask a question because I’m having a hard time following you all.

For example;

How would you not murder Spiritually, and how is it contrasted to what your saying about the not doing the physical aspect of it?

I’m not understanding how you are contrasting the physical with the Spiritual in how we see the law.

Feel free to use another law/command if it would be easier to explain.

Hope that’s not as clear as mud.

 

[Leaf473]

So I gotta jump in and ask a question because I’m having a hard time following you all.

For example;

How would you not murder Spiritually, and how is it contrasted to what your saying about the not doing the physical aspect of it?

I’m not understanding how you are contrasting the physical with the Spiritual in how we see the law.

Feel free to use another law/command if it would be easier to explain.

Hope that’s not as clear as mud.

It's a great question!
In any discussion of the law, different words will make sense to some people and not others. Different explanations will resonate.
Sometimes it's taking about spiritual and physical, sometimes talking about the letter of the law and the intention of the law, sometimes talking about desires and what's in your heart.
The two most common questions I've heard on the subject are about sex and killing.
I can have sex with whoever I want?
I can kill anyone I want to?
People almost never ask, You mean I can grow all the herbs I want and not tithe on them? Just keep them all for myself?
That's really wild living
Yet Jesus said not to neglect tithing on mint.
So physical murder is killing someone unjustly, spiritual murder is hating.
But it doesn't stop there, it's not enough just not to hate. We are called to love other people.
So out of all of the people that you truly and deeply love, which of them do you want to kill?
So this is a case where following the intention of the law will almost always overlap with keeping the letter of it.
Almost always, but there will be rare exceptions when it is the right choice to kill someone that you truly and deeply love, even though they have done nothing wrong.

 

[Nathan@work]

It's a great question!
In any discussion of the law, different words will make sense to some people and not others. Different explanations will resonate.
Sometimes it's taking about spiritual and physical, sometimes talking about the letter of the law and the intention of the law, sometimes talking about desires and what's in your heart.
The two most common questions I've heard on the subject are about sex and killing.
I can have sex with whoever I want?
I can kill anyone I want to?
People almost never ask, You mean I can grow all the herbs I want and not tithe on them? Just keep them all for myself?
That's really wild living
Yet Jesus said not to neglect tithing on mint.
So physical murder is killing someone unjustly, spiritual murder is hating.
But it doesn't stop there, it's not enough just not to hate. We are called to love other people.
So out of all of the people that you truly and deeply love, which of them do you want to kill?
So this is a case where following the intention of the law will almost always overlap with keeping the letter of it.
Almost always, but there will be rare exceptions when it is the right choice to kill someone that you truly and deeply love, even though they have done nothing wrong.

Thanks.

I do agree that how we word things really impacts how others see what we are saying. As they say, a lot gets lost in translation.

I think I am following a little better now.

However, in your last sentence, I do not understand what you mean. Can you give an example?

 

[Leaf473]

Thanks.

I do agree that how we word things really impacts how others see what we are saying. As they say, a lot gets lost in translation.

I think I am following a little better now.

However, in your last sentence, I do not understand what you mean. Can you give an example?

This is one example I can think of.

Suppose a friend and I are going rock climbing for a week. We head deep into the wilderness, no trails, no cell phones, we tell no one where we are going.

Two days into the trip, my friend slips and tumbles maybe forty feet down a steep slope. She comes to a stop with one leg pinned under a boulder in such a way that I cannot free her.

Large dark bruises are forming all over her body, the knee of her free leg is bent the opposite way that knees are supposed to go. In several places bones are protruding through her skin. She can do nothing but moan and scream in between gasps.

I pick up a heavy rock nearby and drop it on her chest. She immediately becomes still, her blank eyes staring into the sky.

 

[pescador]

This is one example I can think of.

Suppose a friend and I are going rock climbing for a week. We head deep into the wilderness, no trails, no cell phones, we tell no one where we are going.

Two days into the trip, my friend slips and tumbles maybe forty feet down a steep slope. She comes to a stop with one leg pinned under a boulder in such a way that I cannot free her.

Large dark bruises are forming all over her body, the knee of her free leg is bent the opposite way that knees are supposed to go. In several places bones are protruding through her skin. She can do nothing but moan and scream in between gasps.

I pick up a heavy rock nearby and drop it on her chest. She immediately becomes still, her blank eyes staring into the sky.

Then you would be convicted of murder! You should never go deep into the wilderness without telling someone where you are going and how long you intend to be out there.

Whenever I go into the wilderness I always carry an emergency rescue beacon so that I can send an emergency SOS as soon as trouble occurs.

Is it time to return to the subject of the OP?

 

[Nathan@work]

This is one example I can think of.

Suppose a friend and I are going rock climbing for a week. We head deep into the wilderness, no trails, no cell phones, we tell no one where we are going.

Two days into the trip, my friend slips and tumbles maybe forty feet down a steep slope. She comes to a stop with one leg pinned under a boulder in such a way that I cannot free her.

Large dark bruises are forming all over her body, the knee of her free leg is bent the opposite way that knees are supposed to go. In several places bones are protruding through her skin. She can do nothing but moan and scream in between gasps.

I pick up a heavy rock nearby and drop it on her chest. She immediately becomes still, her blank eyes staring into the sky.

So needless to say.....I do not think I will ever be going on any adventure with you...

Kidding aside, I cannot see myself ever doing that. I know it seems wrong to let someone suffer, but I have way too much optimism flowing through my veins to decide fate like that for another human.

Hopefully, I will never be in a position to ever even think about something like that. However, as Pescador said, when you did return and someone asked what happened, I do think you would be charged with murder - even if your intentions were out of love.

 

[Leaf473]

Then you would be convicted of murder! You should never go deep into the wilderness without telling someone where you are going and how long you intend to be out there.

Whenever I go into the wilderness I always carry an emergency rescue beacon so that I can send an emergency SOS as soon as trouble occurs.

Is it time to return to the subject of the OP?

It's a thought experiment. Although many people won't recognize it, the same situation happens in hospitals all the time, with morphine used instead of a rock.

I think it is on the subject of the OP, it relates to what laws are in effect and how we keep them.

 

[Leaf473]

So needless to say.....I do not think I will ever be going on any adventure with you...

Kidding aside, I cannot see myself ever doing that. I know it seems wrong to let someone suffer, but I have way too much optimism flowing through my veins to decide fate like that for another human.

Hopefully, I will never be in a position to ever even think about something like that. However, as Pescador said, when you did return and someone asked what happened, I do think you would be charged with murder - even if your intentions were out of love.

No one knows where I went, no one knows who was with me. There's no reason to ask any questions, I just went on a vacation.

I was reading the recollections of a Marine in Vietnam who witnessed a corpsman having to make a similar decision.

 

[pescador]

It's a thought experiment. Although many people won't recognize it, the same situation happens in hospitals all the time, with morphine used instead of a rock.

I think it is on the subject of the OP, it relates to what laws are in effect and how we keep them.

The subject of the OP is removing the laws of God.

Hospitals administer morphine in order to relieve pain, not to murder people. The situation you describe is not similar at all to this.

 

[Leaf473]

The subject of the OP is removing the laws of God.

Hospitals administer morphine in order to relieve pain, not to murder people. The situation you describe is not similar at all to this.

You are correct that the subject of the OP is removing the laws of God. The opening post also mentions laws that are still in effect.

And yes again, hospitals administer morphine in order to relieve pain. Considering the high doses sometimes needed in terminal patients... well, let's just say it's not always clear what killed the patient.

At least that's how I understand it.

Speaking of the OP, she seems to have been absent for the past couple of days. Should we consider the thread over?

I love you guys!