Removing the laws of God- what does it really mean?

[Nathan@work]

That not what God said, but we all have free will to believe as we wish.

Actually, it is exactly what God says.

The offer to enter His rest still stands.



Have you ever wondered why days, weeks, and months are repetitive - but not years?

There will be another April 2nd(Lord willing), but there will never be another April 2nd 2021. There is a reason for the repeating. God is using it as a sign.

Over and over God calls to people - to enter His rest - once you do that you cease from your work as He did His. God does not repeatedly rest from His creation work.

When you week after week, enter His rest then leave his rest, you are proving to yourself that you have not truly rested as God rested.

 

[Leaf473]

Kindling a fire is a lot of work, God never said He wanted us to be cold, just to do this on Friday so you would have heat on Sabbath. God wants our focus on Him each Sabbath, Isaiah 58:13 but if you are so focused on what others are doing or not doing on Sabbath, like the Pharisee's accused Jesus, instead of your own personal communion with God on His holy day than you are taking away from God's Spirit. We are told the wages of sin is death and breaking any of God's commandment is a sin. We have a Savior who is very forgiving, but He wants us to turn from sin, which is what you do when you have a changed heart. God bless

If we say that a large amount of work on the Sabbath is wrong but a small amount is okay, I think that would be a modified Sabbath.

But sure, if the spirit leads you to do a small amount of work on the Sabbath, I say go right ahead!

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Actually, it is exactly what God says.

The offer to enter His rest still stands.



Have you ever wondered why days, weeks, and months are repetitive - but not years?

There will be another April 2nd(Lord willing), but there will never be another April 2nd 2021. There is a reason for the repeating. God is using it as a sign.

Over and over God calls to people - to enter His rest - once you do that you cease from your work as He did His. God does not repeatedly rest from His creation work.

When you week after week, enter His rest then leave his rest, you are proving to yourself that you have not truly rested as God rested.

No not really. It's a commandment meaning He commanded us to do something, it not something He commanded for Himself to do for us. It's the same as any other commandment, we are told to obey. It's a seven day cycle and has been that way since the beginning Genesis 2:1-3 and will continue for eternity for those saved Isaiah 66:23

Exodus
20:8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

But you are free to believe as you wish.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

If we say that a large amount of work on the Sabbath is wrong but a small amount is okay, I think that would be a modified Sabbath.

But sure, if the spirit leads you to do a small amount of work on the Sabbath, I say go right ahead!

Who said anything about working on Sabbath, we are told not to work. If you are referring to Jesus doing good on Sabbath, that is not considered work.

It just seems like a lot of effort is going into finding loopholes instead of enjoying Sabbath for what it is. A delight. A day of communion with our Savior.

God bless.

 

[Leaf473]

Actually, it is exactly what God says.

The offer to enter His rest still stands.



Have you ever wondered why days, weeks, and months are repetitive - but not years?

There will be another April 2nd(Lord willing), but there will never be another April 2nd 2021. There is a reason for the repeating. God is using it as a sign.

Over and over God calls to people - to enter His rest - once you do that you cease from your work as He did His. God does not repeatedly rest from His creation work.

When you week after week, enter His rest then leave his rest, you are proving to yourself that you have not truly rested as God rested.

That's an interesting point. Does God currently rest every Saturday? I don't think so, it doesn't sound right to me.

 

[Leaf473]

Who said anything about working on Sabbath, we are told not to work. If you are referring to Jesus doing good on Sabbath, that is not considered work.

It just seems like a lot of effort is going into finding loopholes instead of enjoying Sabbath for what it is. A delight. A day of communion with our Savior.

God bless.

I brought up large amount of work or small amount of work because I believe you said that kindling of fire was a lot of work.

I understood the implication to be that it's okay to Kindle fire on the Sabbath as long as it's only a small amount of work.

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Also, this is kind of humorous, this Google voice typing keyboard keeps capitalizing Kindle

 

[SabbathBlessings]

I brought up large amount of work or small amount of work because I believe you said that kindling of fire was a lot of work.

I understood the implication to be that it's okay to Kindle fire on the Sabbath as long as it's only a small amount of work.

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Also, this is kind of humorous, this Google voice typing keyboard keeps capitalizing Kindle

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I see, God does not want us to do work on Sabbath and kindling a fire in the wilderness was a lot of work. That example can be used today as the bible teaches us Friday is the preparation day for God's Sabbath Exodus 16:23, we should do the majority of our cooking on Friday, so Sabbath is focused on Him, not heavy baking etc. That is the point God was making.

 

[Nathan@work]

No not really. It's a commandment meaning He commanded us to do something, it not something He commanded for Himself to do for us. It's the same as any other commandment, we are told to obey. It's a seven day cycle and has been that way since the beginning Genesis 2:1-3 and will continue for eternity for those saved Isaiah 66:23

Exodus
20:8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

But you are free to believe as you wish.

Yes, it is a commandment. It is a commandment that people are breaking every time they only rest on Saturday - repetitively - each week.

Does God create for 6 days each week, then rest the 7th each week? Or has God completed His work, and has rested from it?

"Remember the Sabbath to keep it holy" - not "Remember the Sabbath on the Sabbaths to keep it holy".

God blessed the Sabbath day - not the " the Sabbath days". Singular, not plural.

The seventh day(singular) is the Sabbath of God. It is a continual rest, not returning to work. You break it by returning to work.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Yes, it is a commandment. It is a commandment that people are breaking every time they only rest on Saturday - repetitively - each week.

Does God create for 6 days each week, then rest the 7th each week? Or has God completed His work, and has rested from it?

"Remember the Sabbath to keep it holy" - not "Remember the Sabbath on the Sabbaths to keep it holy".

God blessed the Sabbath day - not the " the Sabbath days". Singular, not plural.

The seventh day(singular) is the Sabbath of God. It is a continual rest, not returning to work. You break it by returning to work.

That's a wild interpretation, but ok like I said we have free will, something Jesus is probably going to ask you about when He comes.

 

[Nathan@work]

That's a wild interpretation, but ok like I said we have free will, something Jesus is probably going to ask you about when He comes.

We do have free will. Today, if you hear His voice, do not harden your heart.

[Heb 4:11 ESV] Let us therefore strive to enter that rest, so that no one may fall by the same sort of disobedience.

What disobedience?

[Heb 4:2 ESV] For good news came to us just as to them, but the message they heard did not benefit them, because they were not united by faith with those who listened.

We will all give an account imge. I do not want to be found without Faith, relying on the work of the law. What do you rely on, what is the account you will give Him? Will it be based on Faith or works of the law? It cannot be both.

[Heb 4:13 ESV] And no creature is hidden from his sight, but all are naked and exposed to the eyes of him to whom we must give account.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

I think that's a good point when you talk about looking at the commandments to see if we are being led by the spirit. Jesus said his sheep know his voice. If the spirit is leading us, but we say hang on there, I'm going to use my own understanding to deal with some letters on paper or stone, maybe check out some things in Greek dictionaries etc., then I will follow, we are basically saying that we don't really know Jesus' voice when we hear it.
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Yes, this is a true statement and we are told to use God's commandments to know if we are in the light. Allowing God's will to be yours He will lead your path and away from sin. Letting go is hard though for a lot of people. I know I fought it for a long time deceiving myself into thinking all I had to do was be a hearer and not doer of His Word.

Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony! If they do not speak according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

Proverbs 3:5 Trust in the Lord with all your heart,
And lean not on your own understanding;
6 In all your ways acknowledge Him,
And He shall direct your paths.

Mathew 7:22 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.

God bless

 

[Nathan@work]

Yes, this is a true statement and we are told to use God's commandments to know if we are in the light. Allowing God's will to be yours He will lead your path and away from sin. Letting go is hard though for a lot of people. I know I fought it for a long time deceiving myself into thinking all I had to do was be a hearer and not doer of His Word.

Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony! If they do not speak according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

Proverbs 3:5 Trust in the Lord with all your heart,
And lean not on your own understanding;
6 In all your ways acknowledge Him,
And He shall direct your paths.

Mathew 7:22 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.

God bless

[Heb 12:25 ESV] See that you do not refuse him who is speaking. For if they did not escape when they refused him who warned them on earth, much less will we escape if we reject him who warns from heaven.

 

[Leaf473]

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I see, God does not want us to do work on Sabbath and kindling a fire in the wilderness was a lot of work. That example can be used today as the bible teaches us Friday is the preparation day for God's Sabbath Exodus 16:23, we should do the majority of our cooking on Friday, so Sabbath is focused on Him, not heavy baking etc. That is the point God was making.

I'm still not sure if I'm following what you're saying.
If kindling a fire in the wilderness was a lot of work, then the implication is that small amounts of work are okay?
Kindling a fire is acceptable as long as it's as easy as striking a match or turning the key in your car?

I'm not trying to trip you up with words. I've talked to both Hebrew roots people and SDA people, and in both cases I get the impression of keep the Sabbath but keep it modified to fit our modern lifestyle.

I am curious now about driving to church on the Sabbath. Is there a distance beyond which most people in the SDA movement will say that driving has become a lot of work?

 

[Leaf473]

Yes, this is a true statement and we are told to use God's commandments to know if we are in the light. Allowing God's will to be yours He will lead your path and away from sin. Letting go is hard though for a lot of people. I know I fought it for a long time deceiving myself into thinking all I had to do was be a hearer and not doer of His Word.

Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony! If they do not speak according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

Proverbs 3:5 Trust in the Lord with all your heart,
And lean not on your own understanding;
6 In all your ways acknowledge Him,
And He shall direct your paths.

Mathew 7:22 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.

God bless

Absolutely! The commandments of God as they are written on our hearts! Written by the spirit!

Of course, it's good to check words on paper to gain wisdom about those commandments written on your heart.

It wouldn't make sense to me, though, to try to find out what is written on your heart by looking at a piece of paper.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

I'm still not sure if I'm following what you're saying.
If kindling a fire in the wilderness was a lot of work, then the implication is that small amounts of work are okay?
Kindling a fire is acceptable as long as it's as easy as striking a match or turning the key in your car?

I'm not trying to trip you up with words. I've talked to both Hebrew roots people and SDA people, and in both cases I get the impression of keep the Sabbath but keep it modified to fit our modern lifestyle.

I am curious now about driving to church on the Sabbath. Is there a distance beyond which most people in the SDA movement will say that driving has become a lot of work?

You're not tripping me, but you are getting caught up in details, which a lot of people do when trying to find justification on not keeping God's Sabbath commandment. Not saying that's what you're doing but you see this pattern in both today and biblical times.

Jesus walked to the synagogues on Sabbath so did the disciples. That was their method of transportation, or riding a donkey. That is not work. Today we use cars, there is no work or much thought into driving to church. I use my time driving to church to play Christian hymns or sometimes listen to sermons, or chat with hubby about God. If I was working on my car four hours so I could drive it to church, I would be better off staying home and having communion with God by reading the Bible or watching sermons online. God is reasonable, people who are more concerned with what others are doing on Sabbath than their own personal time with our Savior is worrying about the wrong things. Hope this helps.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Absolutely! The commandments of God as they are written on our hearts! Written by the spirit!

Of course, it's good to check words on paper to gain wisdom about those commandments written on your heart.

It wouldn't make sense to me, though, to try to find out what is written on your heart by looking at a piece of paper.

Unless God told us the Words on stone is the Words that should be in our hearts and we should obey out of our love. We need to know which laws are written in our hearts, no?

 

[Nathan@work]

Those who have God's laws written on their hearts do know what they are.

They do not need eyes of flesh to see them written on stone, the eyes of Faith can see plainly.

If a person is using eyes of flesh to follow something it for sure is not a life of Faith. They are following their own desire, their own idea of a god.

Without Faith, it is impossible to please God.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Those who have God's laws written on their hearts do know what they are.

They do not need eyes of flesh to see them written on stone, the eyes of Faith can see plainly.

If a person is using eyes of flesh to follow something it for sure is not a life of Faith. They are following their own desire, their own idea of a god.

Without Faith, it is impossible to please God.

Having faith is very important, but God asked us to obey Him, which is why there are so much scripture on keeping (obeying) God's commandments in both the Old and New Testaments. We are saved by grace (God's gift to give or not) though our faith, if we have a changed heart, we obey His commandments because they are written in our hearts and we obey out of our great love for our Savior because He asked us to obey and His commandments are not burdensome. We are told James 1:22 But be doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves.


I think its important to let Jesus answer how we can enter into life. You will have to disagree with Him because they are His own Words...

Matthew 19:17 So He said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.”

Mathew 7:22 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.

Mathew 5:19
Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Mathew 7:23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

Mathew 13:41
The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and those who practice lawlessness,

Mathew 15:9 And in vain they worship Me, Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’ ”

Mathew 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.”

Mathew 23:28 Even so you also outwardly appear righteous to men, but inside you are full of hypocrisy and lawlessness.

Mathew 24:12 And because lawlessness will abound, the love of many will grow cold.

Mark 10:19 You know the commandments: ‘Do not commit adultery,’ ‘Do not murder,’ ‘Do not steal,’ ‘Do not bear false witness,’ ‘Do not defraud,’ ‘Honor your father and your mother.’

1 John 3:4 Whoever commits sin also commits lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness.

John 14:15 “If you love Me, keep My commandments.

John 14:21 He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me. And he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and manifest Myself to him.”

John 15:10 If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love.


1 Thessalonians 4:1-3,4 Finally then, brethren, we urge and exhort in the Lord Jesus that you should abound more and more, just as you received from us how you ought to walk and to please God; 2 for you know what commandments we gave you through the Lord Jesus.

1 John 2:3 Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments.

1 John 2:4 He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

1 John 3:22 And whatever we ask we receive from Him, because we keep His commandments and do those things that are pleasing in His sight.

1 John 3:24 Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.

1 John 5:2
By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and keep His commandments.

1 John 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome.

2 John 1:6 This is love, that we walk according to His commandments. This is the commandment, that as you have heard from the beginning, you should walk in it.

Revelations 12:17 And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to make war with the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Revelations 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

Revelations 22:14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.

 

[Leaf473]

You're not tripping me, but you are getting caught up in details, which a lot of people do when trying to find justification on not keeping God's Sabbath commandment. Not saying that's what you're doing but you see this pattern in both today and biblical times.

Jesus walked to the synagogues on Sabbath so did the disciples. That was their method of transportation, or riding a donkey. That is not work. Today we use cars, there is no work or thought into driving to church. I use my time driving to church to play Christian hymns or sometimes listen to sermons, or chat with hubby about God. If I was working on my car four hours so I could drive it to church, I would be better off staying home and having communion with God by reading the Bible or watching sermons online. God is reasonable, people who are more concerned with what others are doing on Sabbath than their own personal time with our Savior is worrying about the wrong things. Hope this helps.

I think they had synagogues in every village for that very reason. I could understand a gentle walk of maybe half a mile.
But say a 20-minute drive? That sounds like work to me.

A person could say that it's not stressful, so it's okay. It's still in keeping with the spirit of the Sabbath.

But that would be going against what the commandment actually says, in favor of going with the intention of the commandment.

And the person would probably feel that God had communicated to them what the intention of the commandment was. God had told them this is what he wanted them to do.

Someone else looking at it might say that God would never tell you to do something against the commandment.

Similar story with kindling a fire. The commandment is don't do it. We can say that the intention is to avoid work. The actual lighting of a fire is neither here nor there.

But then we are saying that we are going with the intention of the commandment, not with what it actually says.

This sounds very similar to me to being led by the spirit. The spirit communicates the intention of the commandments to us, and that is what we live by.

Peace be with you!

 

[Leaf473]

Unless God told us the Words on stone is the Words that should be in our hearts and we should obey out of our love. We need to know which laws are written in our hearts, no?

My understanding is that it is God who does the writing of his law on our hearts.

Yes, we need to know what laws are written on our hearts, but that wouldn't be something that you would need to be told or have to read somewhere.

Otherwise, what's the point of having something written on your heart?

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I'm assuming that the idea of written on your heart means like a kind of intuition or instinctual knowledge.

Do you believe it to be something more like an ingrained habit?