Removing the laws of God- what does it really mean?

[SabbathBlessings]

If you obey this one, you will obey the others.

If you disobey this one, you disobey the others.

God demands perfection.

You’re saying if we love each other we will also keep God’s commandments including the 4th? I think a lot of people will disagree with that.

 

[Nathan@work]

You’re saying if we love each other we will also keep God’s commandments including the 4th?

When we love God we keep all His commandments.

 

[Bob S]

This is not biblical. Scripture support showing why these claims are eisegesis here linked (reading into the scriptures what the scriptures do not say or teach).

Yep, that should ring a bell. You should really know.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

So, just to recap a bit here,

I believe we have agreed that God spoke and wrote the ten commandments, and God spoke all of the commandments that were given through Moses.

And all of the commandments, including the 10, were delivered by Moses.

And I haven't heard anything from you to the contrary, so I'm assuming we agree that all of the commandments, indeed all of God's words, stand forever.

So, moving on...

"So you do not think the Ten apply today? Are you free to lie, covet, steal, worship gods, murder etc.?"

The ten commandments are fulfilled, along with the rest of the law.

I haven't eaten pork for quite a while. This does not mean that I am attempting to keep that particular dietary law.
In the same way, I may end up doing many of the things that a person keeping the ten commandments would do. But I'm not doing them because I'm trying to keep the 10.

I don't try to keep the 10, because I am not under the law.

Does that answer your question, or do you want me to talk more about it?

This is where I think a lot of people go wrong. They read a verse in the Bible they like and think all other verses that may disagree with the one or two verses they agree with so think the others don't apply. If the last book of the Bible ended with all you have to do is believe and we are saved by grace and all the laws are destroyed, than maybe some would have a point.

There is no contradictions in the scriptures only a lot of misunderstandings. The Law and Prophets has not been been destroyed, so yes, that means it is a requirement for every day living. Jesus said Mathew 5:17 “Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. 18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled.

If you look around sin is more prevalent than ever and the heavens and earth are still here, so yes, keeping God's law are a requirement. While the scripture makes it clear we are saved by grace (His gift) through our faith, but with real faith we want to obey not to be saved, because we love Jesus with all our hearts and minds and He asked. It's a way that Jesus knows us Mathew 7:23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

I think one of the greatest deceptions and disservice in today's churches are the ones that teach you do not need to keep God's laws. Including the Ten that we are told are eternal Luke 16:17, Psalms 89:34, Psalms 111:7,8

Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony! If they do not speak according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

Light is the only path to salvation and there are many paths you can take. The path is narrow, but with God as our shield and light, let Him lead the way to Truth and eternal life.

Revelations 22:14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.

God bless

 

[Leaf473]

This is where I think a lot of people go wrong. They read a verse in the Bible they like and think all other verses that may disagree with the one or two verses they agree with so think the others don't apply. If the last book of the Bible ended with all you have to do is believe and we are saved by grace and all the laws are destroyed, than maybe some would have a point.

There is no contradictions in the scriptures only a lot of misunderstandings. The Law and Prophets has not been been destroyed, so yes, that means it is a requirement for every day living. Jesus said Mathew 5:17 “Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. 18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled.

If you look around sin is more prevalent than ever and the heavens and earth are still here, so yes, keeping God's law are a requirement. While the scripture makes it clear we are saved by grace (His gift) through our faith, but with real faith we want to obey not to be saved, because we love Jesus with all our hearts and minds and He asked. It's a way that Jesus knows us Mathew 7:23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

I think one of the greatest deceptions and disservice in today's churches are the ones that teach you do not need to keep God's laws. Including the Ten that we are told are eternal Luke 16:17, Psalms 89:34, Psalms 111:7,8

Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony! If they do not speak according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

Light is the only path to salvation and there are many paths you can take. The path is narrow, but with God as our shield and light, let Him lead the way to Truth and eternal life.

Revelations 22:14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.

God bless

That's right, the law and the prophets are not destroyed.

They are fulfilled.

If you look in that section where Jesus is talking about this, you will see that the word "till" occurs twice. Do you see what I'm looking at?

Let God lead the way, absolutely! Then we are not under the law.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

That's right, the law and the prophets are not destroyed.

They are fulfilled.

If you look in that section where Jesus is talking about this, you will see that the word "till" occurs twice. Do you see what I'm looking at?

Let God lead the way, absolutely! Then we are not under the law.

So you’re saying your free to sin? What does not under the law mean to you? Are we required today to keep at least the 10 commandments?

 

[pescador]

So you’re saying your free to sin? What does not under the law mean to you? Are we required today to keep at least the 10 commandments?

This indicates a serious lack of understanding about being a Christian. Every Christian may be free to sin but the Holy Spirit will guide them away from sin toward righteousness. No true Christian wants to sin, but sometimes we slip up and listen to our own desires.

We most definitely are not required to keep the 10 commandments, as that would put us back under the Mosaic law , a.k.a., the First Covenant.

Romans 6:14, "For sin will have no mastery over you, because you are not under law but under grace."

Romans 7:6, "But now we have been released from the law, because we have died to what controlled us, so that we may serve in the new life of the Spirit and not under the old written code.

 

[Leaf473]

So you’re saying your free to sin? What does not under the law mean to you? Are we required today to keep at least the 10 commandments?

When we are led by the spirit, we are not under the law.

That means that we do not need to do the physical requirements that the law creates an obligation to do. Those requirements have been fulfilled.

"Under the law" means obligated to perform the physical requirements that the law talks about.

I think the phrase "at least the ten commandments" is interesting. Not a single jot or tittle from the law has passed away, not from any of the hundreds of them.

This means that Levirate marriage is still on the books. It actually predates the law given through Moses, though God gives more details about it through moses.

What shall we do? We're both in the same boat on this one

 

[pasifika]

If you obey this one, you will obey the others.

If you disobey this one, you disobey the others.

God demands perfection.

Thanks Nathan! I hope someone will stop for a moment and think about what you’ve just wrote it here..I surely stopped and praise God..

 

[SabbathBlessings]

This indicates a serious lack of understanding about being a Christian. Every Christian may be free to sin but the Holy Spirit will guide them away from sin toward righteousness. No true Christian wants to sin, but sometimes we slip up and listen to our own desires.

We most definitely are not required to keep the 10 commandments, as that would put us back under the Mosaic law , a.k.a., the First Covenant.

Romans 6:14, "For sin will have no mastery over you, because you are not under law but under grace."

Romans 7:6, "But now we have been released from the law, because we have died to what controlled us, so that we may serve in the new life of the Spirit and not under the old written code.

Grace is not a license to sin and the more this message is being taught, the more people are being led down the wrong path. Sin is a decision, it's made up by our actions, not something that "just happens" and is out of our control. Yes, some sin may be harder to break than others, but that's where the Holy Spirit comes in. With Christ all things are possible. Jesus taught us after He healed to go sin no more, not its okay to keep sinning, so what you are saying is not Biblical we are required to keep God's commandments. We are under the law, the Second Covenant which is God's laws from the First Covenant written in our hearts and minds, not destroyed as later Jesus made clear of that point. Mathew 5:17,18

Romans 7:6 is not the end of the Bible, nor is it the last scriptures on keeping God's commandments. If you keep reading Paul's message

Romans7:7What then shall we say? Is the law sin? Certainly not! Indeed, I would not have been mindful of sin if not for the law. For I would not have been aware of coveting if the law had not said, “Do not covet.” 8But sin, seizing its opportunity through the commandment, produced in me every kind of covetous desire. For apart from the law, sin is dead.9Once I was alive apart from the law; but when the commandment came, sin sprang to life and I died. 10So I discovered that the very commandment that was meant to bring life actually brought death. 11For sin, seizing its opportunity through the commandment, deceived me and through the commandment put me to death.12So then, the law is holy, and the commandment is holy, righteous, and good.

Paul is talking about struggle with sin but he never tells us we are released from God's laws. In fact he makes that point very clear: Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary, we establish the law.

Paul did not contradict himself by saying we no longer need to keep God's laws. That is not what Romans 7 is referring to. Paul also tells us in 1 Corinthians 7:19 Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing, but keeping the commandments of God is what matters.

Hope this helps.

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing, but keeping the commandments of God is what matters.

Galatians 6:15
For in Christ Jesus neither is circumcision anything, nor uncircumcision; but new creation.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

When we are led by the spirit, we are not under the law.

That means that we do not need to do the physical requirements that the law creates an obligation to do. Those requirements have been fulfilled.

"Under the law" means obligated to perform the physical requirements that the law talks about.

I think the phrase "at least the ten commandments" is interesting. Not a single jot or tittle from the law has passed away, not from any of the hundreds of them.

This means that Levirate marriage is still on the books. It actually predates the law given through Moses, though God gives more details about it through moses.

What shall we do? We're both in the same boat on this one

So basically you are saying is what Jesus meant when He said I did not come to destroy the law, but I came to destroy the law. Sorry, this belief will only take you down the wrong path. God's laws are the very essence of who is He, saying we are not obligated to them is like taking our Savior away. Are we supposed to be more like Christ or less like Him?

I already told you there are more laws that are still required today other than the TEN. I'm not the one saying we are no longer obligated to the law and more importantly either does Jesus.

Mathew 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Galatians 6:15
For in Christ Jesus neither is circumcision anything, nor uncircumcision; but new creation.

So are you disagreeing with Paul?

 

[pasifika]

Is Gossip, swindle, slander, pride, favouritism etc and all other evil ways that are Not written in the 10 commandments Are okay to do since it is Not written in the 10 commandments?

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Is Gossip, swindle, slander, pride, favouritism etc and all other evil ways that are Not written in the 10 commandments Are okay to do since it is Not written in the 10 commandments?

Almost every sin has an umbrella under God's Ten commandments, but there are more laws required than just the Ten.

 

[Leaf473]

So basically you are saying is what Jesus meant when He said I did not come to destroy the law, but I came to destroy the law. Sorry, this belief will only take you down the wrong path. God's laws are the very essence of who is He, saying we are not obligated to them is like taking our Savior away. Are we supposed to be more like Christ or less like Him?

I already told you there are more laws that are still required today other than the TEN. I'm not the one saying we are no longer obligated to the law and more importantly either does Jesus.

Mathew 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

No, I am not saying that Jesus came to destroy the law. He came to fulfill it.

Do you practice levirate marriage and encourage others to do so?

 

[SabbathBlessings]

No, I am not saying that Jesus came to destroy the law. He came to fulfill it.

Do you practice levirate marriage and encourage others to do so?

Your definition of "fulfilled" seems very similar to "no longer required" which means "destroyed".

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

So are you disagreeing with Paul?

Both are Paul’s instructions, just one is further in explanation than the other. One cannot be keeping any commandments from the flesh.

Galatians 6:15
For in Christ Jesus neither is circumcision anything, nor uncircumcision; but new creation.

1 Corinthians 7:19 Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing, but keeping the commandments of God is what matters.

 

[pasifika]

Almost every sin has an umbrella under God's Ten commandments, but there are more laws required than just the Ten.

Show me a scripture that state that “every sin has an umbrella under 10 commandments?

If there are more laws requires then just the 10 then why are you so focus on the 10 and not the others?

 

[Leaf473]

Your definition of "fulfilled" seems very similar to "no longer required" which means "destroyed".

No, if you look at my example of the roommate and the car,
Fulfilled
Does not mean
No longer required.

The requirement that I fill the tank is still there.

I'm interested in hearing whether you practice levirate marriage and encourage others to do so?