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You’re saying if we love each other we will also keep God’s commandments including the 4th? I think a lot of people will disagree with that.If you obey this one, you will obey the others.
If you disobey this one, you disobey the others.
God demands perfection.
When we love God we keep all His commandments.You’re saying if we love each other we will also keep God’s commandments including the 4th?
Yep, that should ring a bell. You should really know.This is not biblical. Scripture support showing why these claims are eisegesis here linked (reading into the scriptures what the scriptures do not say or teach).
So, just to recap a bit here,
I believe we have agreed that God spoke and wrote the ten commandments, and God spoke all of the commandments that were given through Moses.
And all of the commandments, including the 10, were delivered by Moses.
And I haven't heard anything from you to the contrary, so I'm assuming we agree that all of the commandments, indeed all of God's words, stand forever.
So, moving on...
"So you do not think the Ten apply today? Are you free to lie, covet, steal, worship gods, murder etc.?"
The ten commandments are fulfilled, along with the rest of the law.
I haven't eaten pork for quite a while. This does not mean that I am attempting to keep that particular dietary law.
In the same way, I may end up doing many of the things that a person keeping the ten commandments would do. But I'm not doing them because I'm trying to keep the 10.
I don't try to keep the 10, because I am not under the law.
Does that answer your question, or do you want me to talk more about it?
That's right, the law and the prophets are not destroyed.This is where I think a lot of people go wrong. They read a verse in the Bible they like and think all other verses that may disagree with the one or two verses they agree with so think the others don't apply. If the last book of the Bible ended with all you have to do is believe and we are saved by grace and all the laws are destroyed, than maybe some would have a point.
There is no contradictions in the scriptures only a lot of misunderstandings. The Law and Prophets has not been been destroyed, so yes, that means it is a requirement for every day living. Jesus said Mathew 5:17 “Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. 18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled.
If you look around sin is more prevalent than ever and the heavens and earth are still here, so yes, keeping God's law are a requirement. While the scripture makes it clear we are saved by grace (His gift) through our faith, but with real faith we want to obey not to be saved, because we love Jesus with all our hearts and minds and He asked. It's a way that Jesus knows us Mathew 7:23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’
I think one of the greatest deceptions and disservice in today's churches are the ones that teach you do not need to keep God's laws. Including the Ten that we are told are eternal Luke 16:17, Psalms 89:34, Psalms 111:7,8
Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony! If they do not speak according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.
Light is the only path to salvation and there are many paths you can take. The path is narrow, but with God as our shield and light, let Him lead the way to Truth and eternal life.
Revelations 22:14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.
God bless
So you’re saying your free to sin? What does not under the law mean to you? Are we required today to keep at least the 10 commandments?That's right, the law and the prophets are not destroyed.
They are fulfilled.
If you look in that section where Jesus is talking about this, you will see that the word "till" occurs twice. Do you see what I'm looking at?
Let God lead the way, absolutely! Then we are not under the law.
So you’re saying your free to sin? What does not under the law mean to you? Are we required today to keep at least the 10 commandments?
When we are led by the spirit, we are not under the law.So you’re saying your free to sin? What does not under the law mean to you? Are we required today to keep at least the 10 commandments?
Thanks Nathan! I hope someone will stop for a moment and think about what you’ve just wrote it here..I surely stopped and praise God..If you obey this one, you will obey the others.
If you disobey this one, you disobey the others.
God demands perfection.
This indicates a serious lack of understanding about being a Christian. Every Christian may be free to sin but the Holy Spirit will guide them away from sin toward righteousness. No true Christian wants to sin, but sometimes we slip up and listen to our own desires.
We most definitely are not required to keep the 10 commandments, as that would put us back under the Mosaic law , a.k.a., the First Covenant.
Romans 6:14, "For sin will have no mastery over you, because you are not under law but under grace."
Romans 7:6, "But now we have been released from the law, because we have died to what controlled us, so that we may serve in the new life of the Spirit and not under the old written code.
Galatians 6:15Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing, but keeping the commandments of God is what matters.
So basically you are saying is what Jesus meant when He said I did not come to destroy the law, but I came to destroy the law. Sorry, this belief will only take you down the wrong path. God's laws are the very essence of who is He, saying we are not obligated to them is like taking our Savior away. Are we supposed to be more like Christ or less like Him?When we are led by the spirit, we are not under the law.
That means that we do not need to do the physical requirements that the law creates an obligation to do. Those requirements have been fulfilled.
"Under the law" means obligated to perform the physical requirements that the law talks about.
I think the phrase "at least the ten commandments" is interesting. Not a single jot or tittle from the law has passed away, not from any of the hundreds of them.
This means that Levirate marriage is still on the books. It actually predates the law given through Moses, though God gives more details about it through moses.
What shall we do? We're both in the same boat on this one
So are you disagreeing with Paul?Galatians 6:15
For in Christ Jesus neither is circumcision anything, nor uncircumcision; but new creation.
Almost every sin has an umbrella under God's Ten commandments, but there are more laws required than just the Ten.Is Gossip, swindle, slander, pride, favouritism etc and all other evil ways that are Not written in the 10 commandments Are okay to do since it is Not written in the 10 commandments?
No, I am not saying that Jesus came to destroy the law. He came to fulfill it.So basically you are saying is what Jesus meant when He said I did not come to destroy the law, but I came to destroy the law. Sorry, this belief will only take you down the wrong path. God's laws are the very essence of who is He, saying we are not obligated to them is like taking our Savior away. Are we supposed to be more like Christ or less like Him?
I already told you there are more laws that are still required today other than the TEN. I'm not the one saying we are no longer obligated to the law and more importantly either does Jesus.
Mathew 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
Your definition of "fulfilled" seems very similar to "no longer required" which means "destroyed".No, I am not saying that Jesus came to destroy the law. He came to fulfill it.
Do you practice levirate marriage and encourage others to do so?
Both are Paul’s instructions, just one is further in explanation than the other. One cannot be keeping any commandments from the flesh.So are you disagreeing with Paul?
Galatians 6:15
For in Christ Jesus neither is circumcision anything, nor uncircumcision; but new creation.
1 Corinthians 7:19 Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing, but keeping the commandments of God is what matters.
Show me a scripture that state that “every sin has an umbrella under 10 commandments?Almost every sin has an umbrella under God's Ten commandments, but there are more laws required than just the Ten.
No, if you look at my example of the roommate and the car,Your definition of "fulfilled" seems very similar to "no longer required" which means "destroyed".
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