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Yes, I think a good place to start would be Bible hub, since they've got both Strong's and Thayer's.I think that you could look into the uses of the words in Greek(NT) and see how they relate to the Commandments to get a good idea. I know the Greek vocabulary is rather large.
I agree with your view.
In theory, you can obey something you do not keep - but you cannot keep something you do not obey.
I have not looked it up personally, but I bet you will find the word 'keep' used more often with the word commandments than you will find the word 'obey' used with it.
I stopped reading your post after the first three sentences.
Have a nice day
Yes, I think a good place to start would be Bible hub, since they've got both Strong's and Thayer's.
Yes, circumcision was allowed on the Sabbath, and priests working at sacrificing animals was allowed. Both of those activities were directed by God.Circumcision at 8 days is from the Covenant of Abraham. The Sabbath is from the Covenant from Moses. Are Israelites under Abrahamic or Mosaic Covenants. The answer is both. There was no negation of the previous Covenant. Can the fulfillment of one Divine covenant be a profanity of another Divine Covenant? The simple answer is no. Not possible.
To take a look the logic further. 2 parts of the commandment Sabbath and Holy. Is the act of circumcision profane/useless/everyday/willfull? No then it most likely be Holy. Then circumcision (as per Abraham) on Sabbath is not a sin as the act is holy.
Why 8 days?
If I see a internet blogger with 3 sixes in there call sign, I would not go there for any type of knowledge/opinions. Such persons are non-grata. If I should see a number 7 in their call sign, I would have more inclination to dip my feet first.
I contend that the number 7 is a sacred number, and that it is a necessary condition to be a product of the Most High (search 7 in the Bible). Note it is not sufficient. A sociopath enforcer of the Law must at the very least concede that the child may be a property of God. The eight days are 8 = 7 + 1. By doing the circumcision in 8 days you are are guaranteeing the sacred number 7 is stamped in existence of the child. Baby was circumcised on the 8th day. His age is 7.xxxxx. No matter what number is xxxxx, 7 is stamped on the childs existence. If it is any other days, there is no guarantee that 7 will be expressed in y.xxxxx. where y <>7. It is not recommended to ignorantly disparage something with 7 marked on their existence as it may by a property of God. There is protection for the child with the Abrahamic Covenant.
Also, I'm not following your math.Circumcision at 8 days is from the Covenant of Abraham. The Sabbath is from the Covenant from Moses. Are Israelites under Abrahamic or Mosaic Covenants. The answer is both. There was no negation of the previous Covenant. Can the fulfillment of one Divine covenant be a profanity of another Divine Covenant? The simple answer is no. Not possible.
To take a look the logic further. 2 parts of the commandment Sabbath and Holy. Is the act of circumcision profane/useless/everyday/willfull? No then it most likely be Holy. Then circumcision (as per Abraham) on Sabbath is not a sin as the act is holy.
Why 8 days?
If I see a internet blogger with 3 sixes in there call sign, I would not go there for any type of knowledge/opinions. Such persons are non-grata. If I should see a number 7 in their call sign, I would have more inclination to dip my feet first.
I contend that the number 7 is a sacred number, and that it is a necessary condition to be a product of the Most High (search 7 in the Bible). Note it is not sufficient. A sociopath enforcer of the Law must at the very least concede that the child may be a property of God. The eight days are 8 = 7 + 1. By doing the circumcision in 8 days you are are guaranteeing the sacred number 7 is stamped in existence of the child. Baby was circumcised on the 8th day. His age is 7.xxxxx. No matter what number is xxxxx, 7 is stamped on the childs existence. If it is any other days, there is no guarantee that 7 will be expressed in y.xxxxx. where y <>7. It is not recommended to ignorantly disparage something with 7 marked on their existence as it may by a property of God. There is protection for the child with the Abrahamic Covenant.
Yes, that's right.They were commanded to work - but sacred ministry -- while it is work... is not a violation of the worship criteria for Sabbath seen in Lev 23:3 and Is 66:23.
Yes, that's right.
And then the next step,
As Christians we are holy.
Everything we do, we do in the name of the Lord.
Every step we take is led by the Holy Spirit.
I do not see where or how the Sabbath is the key to knowing God. If it were, do you not think that it would be a focus, if even just a little, in the New Testament?The Sabbath commandment is key to knowing God. One we are allowing God to be God. He commanded us to keep His seventh day Holy. He asked us to REMEMBER it. Do you know how the Sabbath was changed? There is clear documentation on it which I will be happy to provide if you want. Sunday worship does not come from the Bible. There is no scripture in the Bible asking us to keep the first day Holy or that it’s God’s Sabbath- His chosen day.
Sabbath is a day we dedicate getting to know Him.
Mathew 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness
How do we know Him? By studying His Word, praying and keeping Sabbath a day about worship Leviticus 23:3 Isaiah 66:23 and sharing with others. Acts 17:2
We know we are abiding in God’s love when we keep His commandments. John 15:10 If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love.
There is “another spirit” out there and how we know which one we are following is when we keep God’s laws and God’s Words and not commandments of man.
Both want our souls, only Jesus leads to eternal life, the other to destruction.
I know I post this a lot but it’s one of the last verses in the Bible. I do not think its there by accident.
Revelations 22:14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.
God bless
"God ‘puts’ the law into the mind, and ‘writes’ it onto the heart, of the house of Israel."
"His laws are not something we choose to keep - if we are of the house of Israel we have them written and placed by God Himself. We will keep them - unless you believe you are stronger than the hand of God?"
The flesh will deceive a person, thinking they know when they have other gods before Him. The flesh cannot know!
The flesh will deceive a person, thinking they know when they have made an idol. The flesh cannot know!
The flesh will deceive a person, thinking they know when they are taking His name in vain. The flesh cannot know!
The flesh will deceive a person, thinking they know when they are observing the Sabbath. The flesh cannot know!
The flesh will deceive a person, thinking they know when they are honoring their parents. The flesh cannot know!
The flesh will deceive a person, thinking they know when they are not murdering. The flesh cannot know!
The flesh will deceive a person, thinking they know when they are not committing adultery. The flesh cannot know!
The flesh will deceive a person, thinking they know when they are not stealing. The flesh cannot know!
The flesh will deceive a person, thinking they know when they are not lying. The flesh cannot know!
The flesh will deceive a person, thinking they know when they are not coveting. The flesh cannot know!
The lie from the beginning has continued through out all generations. The flesh thinks it knows good from evil - the flesh cannot know!
Amen, however it is more than the Law per se that is in our hearts.The law of God is written in all hearts, not just those of Israel (Romans 2:14-15). Gentiles are grafted into Israel (Ephesians 2:11-13; Ephesians 2:19; Ephesians 3:6; Romans 11:17-24).
Non-Christians make decisions of the law in their hearts every day. It tells them they should honor their parents, always be truthful, not steal and not murder. It even tugs at them to worship their creator. The Holy Spirit works on the heart.
Amen, however it is more than the Law per se that is in our hearts.
It is the word, the Book of the law. The commandments and statutes. God's word in it's entirety through and in Christ. All that deal with our loving relationship with God and our fellow brothers and sisters. This is the word of Faith in which we preach or should preach. Please notice that Romans 10 is a paraphrase of Deut 30. Also take note that in Deut 30 the Judgments are not mentioned as being placed in our hearts and mouths and this which is being spoken to Israel is being spoken in the present tense. The here and now.
Rom 10:6 But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ (the word in the flesh) down from above)
Rom 10:7 Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ (the word in the flesh) again from the dead.)
Rom 10:8 But what saith it? The word (Christ the word in the flesh) is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
Deut 30:10 If thou shalt hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to keep his commandments and his statutes which are written in this book of the law, and if thou turn unto the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul.
Deut 30:11 For this commandment which I command thee this day, it is not hidden from thee, neither is it far off.
Deut 30:12 It is not in heaven, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go up for us to heaven, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it?
Deut 30:13 Neither is it beyond the sea, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go over the sea for us, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it?
Deut 30:14 But the word is very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart, that thou mayest do it.
Amen.I agree. I said something similar in another somewhat related thread asking about what the true gospel is.
Excerpt:
The word of God is the complete Gospel and the law.
John 1:1-5 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men. And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
Jesus is the word made flesh.
John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.You can't separate God from His Word. You can't separate the law from His Word. You can't separate Jesus from God, nor the Word, nor the Law, because Jesus is the Word made flesh and He taught it all.
You think Romans 3:9-20, Romans 9, etc. are in our hearts?Amen, however it is more than the Law per se that is in our hearts.
It is the word, the Book of the law. The commandments and statutes. God's word in it's entirety
through and in Christ. All that deal with our loving relationship with God and our fellow brothers and sisters. This is the word of Faith in which we preach or should preach. Please notice that Romans 10 is a paraphrase of Deut 30. Also take note that in Deut 30 the Judgments are not mentioned as being placed in our hearts and mouths and this which is being spoken to Israel is being spoken in the present tense. The here and now.
Rom 10:6 But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ (the word in the flesh) down from above)
Rom 10:7 Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ (the word in the flesh) again from the dead.)
Rom 10:8 But what saith it? The word (Christ the word in the flesh) is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
Deut 30:10 If thou shalt hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to keep his commandments and his statutes which are written in this book of the law, and if thou turn unto the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul.
Deut 30:11 For this commandment which I command thee this day, it is not hidden from thee, neither is it far off.
Deut 30:12 It is not in heaven, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go up for us to heaven, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it?
Deut 30:13 Neither is it beyond the sea, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go over the sea for us, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it?
Deut 30:14 But the word is very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart, that thou mayest do it.
I do not see where or how the Sabbath is the key to knowing God. If it were, do you not think that it would be a focus, if even just a little, in the New Testament?
There is no need to show me the fallacy of people who think Sunday is the Sabbath or the Lords day. I know it’s not. I know where it came from and the history behind it.
Sunday is simply Sunday. First day of the week in our culture.
Yes from our human perspective, since we live in time, there were at least six days before the commandment arrived to us.Exodus 20:11 says that it is from Eden. Genesis 2:1-3
What is interesting is that scholars in almost all Christian denominations on planet Earth - appear to agree with that Bible detail. see it on this thread #1
I hold nothing against you. Just letting you know how it sounded to me.I wasn't being hateful. I apologize if it came across that way. It wasn't my intention.
You repeatedly stated that "the flesh can't know" how to obey the law of God, but also stated that "I know when I am walking according to my flesh, and I know when I am walking according to the Spirit." Then you asked, "So, the question is, what can the flesh know?" This seemed disingenuous to me, because of the contradiction (which I thought was intentional); that you can walk according to the Spirit, but others cannot. The Holy Spirit works wherever it can find fertile ground, in Christians and non-Christians alike.
The law of God is written in all hearts, not just those of Israel (Romans 2:14-15). Gentiles are grafted into Israel (Ephesians 2:11-13; Ephesians 2:19; Ephesians 3:6; Romans 11:17-24).
Non-Christians make decisions of the law in their hearts every day. It tells them they should honor their parents, always be truthful, not steal and not murder. It even tugs at them to worship their creator. The Holy Spirit works on the heart.
The flesh cannot know good from evil?
Where the Holy Spirit can work, it will. God's law is always there in our hearts, so that we can know what is good and what is evil, what is right and what is wrong.
- Adam and Eve fell and gained the knowledge of good and evil from eating the forbidden fruit.
- All know the difference between good and evil.
- Repentance is remorse for doing evil, knowing that we should be doing good.
Again, I apologize if you felt I was being hateful. I'll try to do better.
Those are are examples of a time period in a story. Not in actual teaching.Ok -- in the "just a little" category we have
Acts 18:4 "EVERY SABBATH" they met for Gospel preaching to both Jews and gentiles - as given by Paul.
Acts 13 - Sabbath after Sabbath gospel preaching
Acts 17 - Sabbath after Sabbath after Sabbath gospel preaching.
Is 66:23 - for all eternity after the cross "from Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to worship" in the New Earth.
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Nothing like that in the NT for "week day 1" when it comes to Gospel preaching
By contrast in the NT not one single quote of the commandment "do not take God's name in vain" -- yet we all know it still matters if one does that or not.
how is this not very clear to all??
true.
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