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There is more than one biblical definition of sin.That's not the Biblical definition.
1 John 3:4 4 Whoever commits sin also commits lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness.
Hebrews chapter 10 verse 1
The law is only a shadow of the good things that are coming--not the realities themselves. For this reason it can never, by the same sacrifices repeated endlessly year after year, make perfect those who draw near to worship.
Romans chapter 3 verse 20
Therefore no one will be declared righteous in God's sight by the works of the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of our sin.
The only thing I can see to justify is Love and Mercy.
There is more than one biblical definition of sin.
Unbelief
"And He, when He comes, will convict the world regarding sin, and righteousness, and judgment: regarding sin, because they do not believe in Me ... " John 16:9
Lack of faith
"But the one who doubts is condemned if he eats, because his eating is not from faith; and whatever is not from faith is sin." Romans 14:23
Take care
I didn't say otherwise. You said my definition was not biblical and I showed that it was.Transgression of God's law is still sin.
Glad we agree, breaking any of Gods laws is considering sinning. God blessI didn't say otherwise. You said my definition was not biblical and I showed that it was.
Grace and Peace
1 John chapter 1 verse 8God died for our sins, but He didn't die for us to keep sinning. After Jesus healed He never said go sin some more- He said go sin no more.
Reflecting back, I think that may have been the ingredient that made it feel like God wasn't there anymore, like I needed time to resurrect.Not only did He not want us to eat, He made it so we could not continue to eat.
We're still to fulfill the law, as prescribed by New Testament Scripture and supported historically by church teachings, even though the law, itself, cannot justify us. But we fulfill it in a new way now, the only right way, by the Spirit, by being under grace rather than under the law, by being in communion with God the Trinity, IOW, a relationship which man was made for but which Adam scorned by his prideful act of disobedience. And this is why verses such as Rom 2:13 make so much sense, becoming clear in the light of this understanding:With the growing number of churches that are teaching God’s laws are a thing of the past citing arguments like “we are not under the law we are under grace” or “Gods laws are only for the Jews ” I thought I would create a post to examine what does the Bible teach us about the laws of God. If we remove God's laws what are we really teaching and what are we removing from our lives?
Paul tells us in 2 Corinthians 13: 5 Examine yourselves as to whether you are in the faith. Test yourselves. Do you not know yourselves, that Jesus Christ is in you?—unless indeed you are disqualified.
According to scripture we should test ourselves to ensure we are in the faith.
What happens if we remove Gods laws? Is God’s character in Gods laws? If we remove His laws are we removing God?
God is Good:
Luke 18:19 So Jesus said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God
God’s law is Good:
Romans 7:12 Therefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy and just and good.
God is Holy:
Isaiah 5:16 But the Lord of hosts shall be exalted in judgment,
And God who is holy shall be hallowed in righteousness.
God’s law is Holy:
Romans 7:12 Therefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy and just and good.
God is Just:
Deuteronomy 32:4 He is the Rock, His work is perfect;
For all His ways are justice,
A God of truth and without injustice;
Righteous and upright is He.
God’s law are Just: Romans 7:12 Therefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy and just and good.
God is Perfect:
Mathew 5:48 Therefore you shall be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect.
God’s law is Perfect:
Psalms 19:7 The law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul;
The testimony of the Lord is sure, making wise the simple;
God is Love
1 John 4:8 He who does not love does not know God, for God is love.
God's law is Love:
Romans 13:10 Love does no harm to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.
God is Righteous
Exodus 9:27 2 And Pharaoh sent and called for Moses and Aaron, and said to them, “I have sinned this time. The Lord is righteous, and my people and I are wicked.
God’s law are Righteous
Psalms 19:9 The fear of the LORD is pure, enduring forever. The decrees of the LORD are firm, and all of them are righteous.
God is Truth:
Deuteronomy 32:4 He is the Rock, His work is perfect; For all His ways are justice, A God of truth and without injustice; Righteous and upright is He.
God’s laws are Truth:
Psalms 119:142 Thy righteousness is an everlasting righteousness, and thy law is the truth. Psalms 119:151 You are near, O LORD, And all Your commandments are truth.
God is Pure:
1 John 3:3 And everyone who has this hope in Him purifies himself, just as He is pure.
God’s laws are Pure:
Psalms 19:8 the precepts of the LORD are right, rejoicing the heart; the commandment of the LORD is pure, enlightening the eyes;
God is Spiritual:
John 4:24 God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.”
God’s law is Spiritual:
Romans 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual, but I am carnal, sold under sin.
God is Unchangeable:
Malachi 3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.
God’s laws are Unchangeable:
Matthew 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
God is Eternal
Genesis 21:33 And Abraham planted a grove in Beersheba, and called there on the name of the LORD, the everlasting God.
God’s laws are Eternal
Psalms 111:7,8 The works of his hands are verity and judgment; all his commandments are sure. They stand fast forever and ever, And are done in truth and uprightness
Considering God’s character is reflected in Gods laws, when we remove God’s law what else are we removing?
Yes, we are saved by grace (God’s gift) but what else does the Word of God tell us?
1 John 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome.
2 John 1:6 This is love, that we walk according to His commandments. This is the commandment, that as you have heard from the beginning, you should walk in it.
1 John 15:10 If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love.
Mathew 7:21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.
1 John 2:4 He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
Mathew 19:17 So He said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.”
Revelations 22:14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.
God's commandments are found in Exodus 20
God bless
Never said otherwise. My point all along is that we are not under the law and God is not counting our sins against us.Glad we agree, breaking any of Gods laws is considering sinning. God bless
Maybe you can elaborate because it almost seems you are saying you are free to sin. If we repent, God forgives of our sin and knows our hearts, but God does not want us to keep sinning.Never said otherwise. My point all along is that we are not under the law and God is not counting our sins against us.
We understand that God's Laws (the ten commandments) have not gone away. It's how those laws are understood in the new testament church that is important. The Law is spiritual, but what does that mean exactly.
No, I am not saying we are free to sin. But, believing we are under the law isn't stopping anybody from sinning either and only increases the sin in our lives. What I am saying is that our sins don't separate us from God so we can now approach Him with confidence (Hebrews 4:16) when we do sin to receive His grace and mercy and discover why we are sinning. The focus in Christianity is always on sin, but rarely on why we sin and what God has done with our sin; taking it away never to be remembered again.Maybe you can elaborate because it almost seems you are saying you are free to sin. If we repent, God forgives of our sin and knows our hearts, but God does not want us to keep sinning.
Fundamentally, there are two ways that you can be guided through life to do God's will: the law and the Holy Spirit. If you haven't been born again and received the Holy Spirit then you must be guided externally by the law. If you have been born again and received the Holy Spirit then you are guided internally by Him.
They cannot co-exist! If you received the Holy Spirit you are "dead to the law"!
If you haven't been born again then there must be external rules in place to guide your behavior (and the behavior of others). So there is a definite need for law, both God's law and human law (in that order).
No, I am not saying we are free to sin. But, believing we are under the law isn't stopping anybody from sinning either and only increases the sin in our lives. What I am saying is that our sins don't separate us from God so we can now approach Him with confidence (Hebrews 4:16) when we do sin to receive His grace and mercy and discover why we are sinning. The focus in Christianity is always on sin, but rarely on why we sin and what God has done with our sin; taking it away never to be remembered again.
We aren't keeping God's commands, thus we must be honest to admit we aren't loving God/Jesus. Just because Jesus said "if you love me, keep my commands," doesn't mean we are doing that. Plus, we assume that Jesus believed we could do it. Jesus was driving people to the end of themselves to show us that we need His grace and mercy, not our supposed obedience and repentance. Plus, there are all the verses I posted earlier (post #10) that show we are not under the law and its purpose. There are no sins God is holding against me and no blessings I expect from Him in the flesh that I will never be obedient enough to receive. I am completely forgiven and have every spiritual blessing in Christ and have been given everything I need for a godly life. As I said to another poster earlier, we must ask ourselves, "Are we obedient to all God commands?" The answer is, "No." This tells us that there is a different way of living and that is in dependence on the indwelling Holy Spirit. Sin diminishes in our lives as a byproduct of us focusing on Jesus and discovering all we have received as an inheritance of our faith. We don't reduce sin through a lifestyle of obedience and repentance to laws that only stir up and sin and put us under a curse.Sin is what separated us from God in the first place. Adam and Eve walked with God until they sinned and disobeyed. We will not be able to be with God again until there is no more sin. God sends us His Holy Spirit to help keep us from sinning. John 14: 15 “If you love me, keep my commandments. 16 And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever— 17 the Spirit of truth.
Gods grace is His gift and God tells us who He shows mercy to right in His commandments
Exodus 20: 6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.
God does take away our sins, but we are supposed to learn from our sins and stop sinning after a heartfelt repent. If we fall, we need to get back up and ask for forgiveness and try harder. God has done everything He can for us and wants to save each of us. We need to turn from our sins and obey Gods laws. If everyone kept God’s commandments in both our hearts (because we love God) and minds (our actions) I bet it would be a lot like Heaven.
Let us know if and when you are able to keep all 613 Mitzot. Be blessed.With the growing number of churches that are teaching God’s laws are a thing of the past citing arguments like “we are not under the law we are under grace” or “Gods laws are only for the Jews ” I thought I would create a post to examine what does the Bible teach us about the laws of God. If we remove God's laws what are we really teaching and what are we removing from our lives?
Paul tells us in 2 Corinthians 13: 5 Examine yourselves as to whether you are in the faith. Test yourselves. Do you not know yourselves, that Jesus Christ is in you?—unless indeed you are disqualified.
According to scripture we should test ourselves to ensure we are in the faith.
What happens if we remove Gods laws? Is God’s character in Gods laws? If we remove His laws are we removing God?
God is Good:
Luke 18:19 So Jesus said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God
God’s law is Good:
Romans 7:12 Therefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy and just and good.
God is Holy:
Isaiah 5:16 But the Lord of hosts shall be exalted in judgment,
And God who is holy shall be hallowed in righteousness.
God’s law is Holy:
Romans 7:12 Therefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy and just and good.
God is Just:
Deuteronomy 32:4 He is the Rock, His work is perfect;
For all His ways are justice,
A God of truth and without injustice;
Righteous and upright is He.
God’s law are Just: Romans 7:12 Therefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy and just and good.
God is Perfect:
Mathew 5:48 Therefore you shall be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect.
God’s law is Perfect:
Psalms 19:7 The law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul;
The testimony of the Lord is sure, making wise the simple;
God is Love
1 John 4:8 He who does not love does not know God, for God is love.
God's law is Love:
Romans 13:10 Love does no harm to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.
God is Righteous
Exodus 9:27 2 And Pharaoh sent and called for Moses and Aaron, and said to them, “I have sinned this time. The Lord is righteous, and my people and I are wicked.
God’s law are Righteous
Psalms 19:9 The fear of the LORD is pure, enduring forever. The decrees of the LORD are firm, and all of them are righteous.
God is Truth:
Deuteronomy 32:4 He is the Rock, His work is perfect; For all His ways are justice, A God of truth and without injustice; Righteous and upright is He.
God’s laws are Truth:
Psalms 119:142 Thy righteousness is an everlasting righteousness, and thy law is the truth. Psalms 119:151 You are near, O LORD, And all Your commandments are truth.
God is Pure:
1 John 3:3 And everyone who has this hope in Him purifies himself, just as He is pure.
God’s laws are Pure:
Psalms 19:8 the precepts of the LORD are right, rejoicing the heart; the commandment of the LORD is pure, enlightening the eyes;
God is Spiritual:
John 4:24 God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.”
God’s law is Spiritual:
Romans 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual, but I am carnal, sold under sin.
God is Unchangeable:
Malachi 3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.
God’s laws are Unchangeable:
Matthew 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
God is Eternal
Genesis 21:33 And Abraham planted a grove in Beersheba, and called there on the name of the LORD, the everlasting God.
God’s laws are Eternal
Psalms 111:7,8 The works of his hands are verity and judgment; all his commandments are sure. They stand fast forever and ever, And are done in truth and uprightness
Considering God’s character is reflected in Gods laws, when we remove God’s law what else are we removing?
Yes, we are saved by grace (God’s gift) but what else does the Word of God tell us?
1 John 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome.
2 John 1:6 This is love, that we walk according to His commandments. This is the commandment, that as you have heard from the beginning, you should walk in it.
1 John 15:10 If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love.
Mathew 7:21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.
1 John 2:4 He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
Mathew 19:17 So He said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.”
Revelations 22:14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.
God's commandments are found in Exodus 20
God bless
Let us know if and when you are able to keep all 613 Mitzot. Be blessed.
God's law is for unbelievers, not Christians
"We know that the law is good if one uses it properly. We also know that the law is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers, for the sexually immoral, for those practicing homosexuality, for slave traders and liars and perjurers—and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine .." 1 Timothy 1:8-10
Christians are not under God's law
"So the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith. Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian." Galatians 3:24-25
Jesus Christ is the end of the law
"For Christ is the end of the Law for righteousness to everyone who believes." Romans 10:4
The law is a curse for those under it
"For all who are of works of the Law are under a curse; for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not abide by all the things written in the book of the Law, to do them.” - Galatians 3:13
The Law cannot justify us
"...knowing that a person is not justified by works of the Law but through faith in Christ Jesus, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, so that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the Law; since by works of the Law no flesh will be justified." Galatians 2:16
The Law cannot make us righteous
"I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness comes through the Law, then Christ died needlessly.” Galatians 2:21
The Law cannot give us life
"... and this commandment, which was to result in life, proved to result in death for me ..." Romans 7:10
The Law stirs up sin
"The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law." 1 Corinthians 15:56
The Law is a ministry of condemnation and death
"But if the ministry of death, engraved in letters on stones, came with glory so that the sons of Israel could not look intently at the face of Moses because of the glory of his face, fading as it was, how will the ministry of the Spirit fail to be even more with glory? For if the ministry of condemnation has glory, much more does the ministry of righteousness excel in glory." 2 Corinthians 3:7-9
The Law has been fulfilled in us
"For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh, so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit." Romans 8:3-4
Under the Law sin is your master
"For sin shall not be your master, because you are not under law, but under grace." Romans 6:14
You cannot mix Law and Grace
"You foolish Galatians, who has bewitched you, before whose eyes Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified? This is the only thing I want to find out from you: did you receive the Spirit by works of the Law, or by hearing with faith? Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh?" Galatians 3:1-3
Once we come to Jesus Christ by faith, the law has done its work. We can now live in a trusting and dependent relationship on the indwelling Holy Spirit instead of trusting and depending on laws designed to manage our flesh.
Grace and Peace
Jesus amplified the law to bury us under it. This was so we would recognize our need for the grace and mercy of God. Besides, nobody is obeying the law, not even the Ten Commandments. Plus, even if one obeyed all 613 commandments of the law, they still would not qualify to enter Heaven or receive the love of God. That wasn't the purpose of the law. And, as Paul stated, "love is the fulfillment of the law," not our failed attempts at obeying it. This is the love that comes from bearing the fruit of the Spirit God is producing in us. When we are loving others, we are not sinning with or against them.
Jesus amplified the law
"You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery’; but I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart. Now if your right eye is causing you to sin, tear it out and throw it away from you; for it is better for you to lose one of the parts of your body, than for your whole body to be thrown into hell." Matthew 5:27-29
The Christian is not under any of the Law, Ten Commandments, or otherwise. If you believe that we are, the question you must answer is, "Are you completely obedient to all God commands?" That is a yes or no question. There is no, "I try my best" or "God gives me grace when I fall short."
The Law's standard is perfection
"For whoever keeps the whole Law, yet stumbles in one point, has become guilty of all." James 2:10
"Therefore you shall be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect." Matthew 5:48
Where there is no law, sin is not taken into account
"... for until the Law sin was in the world, but sin is not counted against anyone when there is no law."
There no law for Christians because God is no longer counting our sins against us. So, God is not holding any violation of the law against me because He has taken it away at the Cross and given us a New Covenant.
Practicing Sin
"No one who has been born of God practices sin, because His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin continually, because he has been born of God." 1 John 3:9
If you are subjecting yourself to the Ten Commandments then you will be "practicing" sin because the law stirs up sin by giving you more things to think about not doing. You will experience what Paul did in Romans 7 regarding coveting, which is one of the Ten Commandments.
"But sin, taking an opportunity through the commandment, produced in me coveting of every kind; for apart from the Law sin is dead." Romans 7:8
We keep sin alive by trying to live by the Law.
Regardless of what you are using them for, that doesn't mean God has given them to you. God did not give us the law for "the conduct of the family into which [you] have been adopted." And again, you aren't obeying it. You may use it to try and keep order in your individual household, but that is separate from your life as a Christian. But, as far as Christians, who have been adopted into God's family through faith in Jesus Christ, we live by faith.
"Now, that no one is justified by the Law before God is evident; for, “the righteous one will live by faith.” Galatians 3:11
Grace and Peace
Not believing God.
No, we physically sin as well. But, in the context of what we are discussing here, we sin when we believe that Christians are subject to the Ten Commandments or the entire Mosaic Law. We sin when we believe the law has a role in our lives. As I have tried to layout with the verses I shared, the law has no place in the life of a Christian unless we are using it to bring an unbeliever to faith in Christ or showing Christians that God has not given it to use as a guide in our daily lives. Nothing needs to be cut out of the Bible. We just read things differently. Plus, what about all those verses I shared earlier. When are you going to address those? I already addressed 1 John 3:9 earlier.
I didn't ask you to about being free to violate the Ten Commandments, lol. But, whatever. I am willing to be judged by that which I am making a judgment. God judged me. The penalty was guilty. The penalty was death. Jesus took it all. There is now no sin being held against me that will result in Him taking His life from me. Now, I live in dependence on Him to live His life in and through me not in dependence on the law. Grace and Peace.
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