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Removing the laws of God- what does it really mean?

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Holy means "set apart," in this case, set apart from days of work, blessed with rest.

Here is the definition of Holy
holy
[ˈhōlē]
ADJECTIVE
  1. dedicated or consecrated to God or a religious purpose; sacred.
    "the Holy Bible" ·
    sacred · consecrated · hallowed · sanctified · venerated · revered · reverenced · divine · religious · blessed · blest · dedicated


God tells us to Hallow His Sabbaths. It's more than a day off. Not working is part of it, but its pretty clear that God wants us to keep His Sabbath Holy. You may want to re-read the 4th commandment.
 
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That is about the Sabbath-rest being fulfilled eternally in Jesus Christ, in whom we rest from our work to save, and rest in his work which saves,
which makes all of time, not just the seventh day of the week, a Sabbath-rest for those in Christ.


 
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That is about the Sabbath-rest being fulfilled eternally in Jesus Christ, in whom we rest from our work to save, and rest in his work which saves,
which makes all of time, not just the seventh day of the week, a Sabbath-rest for those in Christ.

You seem to be disregarding the very first sentence in God's commandment. I am not sure why anyone would want to do that. Do you think God wants us to sit around all day and do nothing, or keep His Sabbath Holy. He tells us He knows us by keeping His commandments. The 4th commandment is all about knowing Him. Dedicating the entire Sabbath each and every seventh day to Him. Isaiah 58:13,14

Mathew 7:22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23:And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

How do you get to know anyone? Spending time with them, which is the point to God's 4th commandment.
 
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The issue of the book of Hebrews is apostasy--falling away, departing the Christian faith, failing to enter God's salvation rest in Jesus Christ, the issue is not the Saturday Sabbath.

And to the issue of falling away, the writer brings the example of failure to enter Canaan (Heb 3:16-19, 4:2-3, 6, 11), the land of promised rest (Dt 12:9-10, 25:19; Joshua 1:13, 11:23, 21:44, 22:4, 23:1). Because they refused to enter, God closed the doors of Canaan in the face of a whole generation of Israelites (Nu 14:21-35). These NT Hebrews were facing a similar danger in their consideration of returning to their OT religion (Heb 4:2, 6, 11, 14, 6:4-8).

The promise of entering God's rest still stands, but not in Canaan-rest, that door has been closed (Hebrews 4:3). It remains in the spiritual Sabbath-rest of salvation in Jesus Christ, entered into only by faith in the person and work of Jesus Christ, not by one's own work. Salvation-rest in Jesus Christ is spiritual rest from our own work to save, and rest in Christ's saving work which saved us. It is into God's own Sabbath-rest that we are called (Hebrews 4:7-9) to enter (Hebrews 4:10-11) in Jesus Christ.

NT Sabbath-rest is rest in the salvation work of Jesus Christ, which these NT Hebrews were in danger of failing to enter, just as was done at Canaan, by returning to their OT religion.

And not only would they not be entering God's Sabbath-rest in Jesus Christ, they would also be forfeiting the only sacrifice for their sin, rendering their hearts hardened and unable to repent while crucifying the Son of God all over again (as the Jews did at Calvary--Acts 7:51-52) subjecting him to public disgrace (Hebrews 6:6).




Thanks, I will examine them.

But keep in mind that the issue in Heb 4:1-13 is not about Hebrews failing to observe the Sabbath, but about some NT Hebrews who, because of persecution by the Jews and threatened disinheritance from their families, were considering a return to their OT religion, which the writer of Hebrews characterizes as failing to enter God's full-time Sabbath-rest because of unbelief.
Indeed. . .and in Scripture we find no giving of the day of God's rest to mankind until the Mosaic Covenant (Exodus 19:3-8) conditions (Exodus 20:11), so we must not, and cannot assume that it was given earlier.
6. Shadow laws point "forward" to things to come not backwards to things completed which the Sabbath and God's 4th commandments points back to.
Types, patterns, shadows are physical realities that point to spiritual realities to come.

Hebrews 4:1-13 reveals the New Covenant spiritual reality of the physical rest of the Old Covenant Sabbath day for the people of God, which emphasis was on rest (Exodus 23:3; Deuteronomy 5:14), and about which God was most emphatic (Exodus 31:14-15, 35:2-3; Numbers 15:32-36; Jeremiah 17:21-22, 27). In light of its NT eternal spiritual reality of salvation-rest in Christ, we can see why so much emphasis was placed by God on rest.

It is God's own full-time (v.3b) Sabbath-rest (Hebrews 4:10) we enter into in the NT full-time spiritual salvation-rest of Jesus Christ, where we rest from our work to save and rest in Jesus finished work which saves, and which these NT Hebrews were in danger of not entering by returning to their OT religion.
7. JESUS is the Lord and creator of the Sabbath and kept it as a holy day of rest and taught us how to correctly keep the Sabbath the way he intended it to be kept.
Jesus taught us how to keep all the Levitical laws which are no longer in force--sacrifices, feasts, days, years, etc., not just how to keep the Sabbath.
8. The Sabbath will continue to be kept after the second coming in the new heavens and new earth. *Isaiah 66:22-23.
Yes, for all eternity, we will rest in the finished work of Christ on the cross. The spiritual Sabbath-rest of Hebrews 4:1-13 is eternal, as is the priesthood of Melchizedek, the removal of sin by the atoning sacrifice for those in Christ, the adoption as sons of God, the gift of the Holy Spirit, etc. are all eternal.
In relation to the physical rest of Ex 20, which the author here maintains, what does that even mean--labor to rest?
That text is not about the Sabbath-rest of Ex 20. It is about the NT spiritual Sabbath rest in Jesus Christ which is entered into only through belief.
Hebrews 3 and Hebrews 4 are talking about both the Gospel rest of believing and following God's word;
That is faith. How is faith related to the physical rest of the Sabbath commanded by God in Ex 20? There is no connection in Heb 3 and 4 between believing God's word and the physical Sabbath rest of Ex 20.
Association of texts is not connection of texts.

The gospel preached to the OT Hebrews which they did not believe (Heb 4:2) was not the gospel of Mt 11, it was the gospel preached to Abraham (Galatians 3:8). So the association here is:
Mt 11 light burden-->gospel preached, not believed-->Sabbath physical rest. There is no connection in that association.

Again, association of texts is not connection of texts.

Faith is the issue here, and is not addressed in the explanation above. Hebrews 4:3 shows that the writer is using the example of Israel's refusal to go into Canaan--because of unbelief, causing God to shut out (Numbers 14:21-35) a whole generation of Israelites (Hebrews 4:3) from the Canaan rest from their enemies--as a warning not to refuse to go into NT salvation-rest because of unbelief, not to return to their OT religion.
This agrees with Hebrews 4:1-5 where the topic is not our rest but God’s rest
The topic is our entering (v.1) into God's full-time rest (v.3b) of salvation without works. There is a spiritual rest remaining for the people of faith, in God's own full-time Sabbath-rest. Faith is not related to physical rest, it is related to God's full-time spiritual salvation-rest in Jesus Christ.
Hebrews 4:9-11 showing that
Canaan rest was no longer available (Hebrews 4:3),
but there still remains a spiritual Sabbath-rest in God for those NT Hebrews, which was not a rest from physical works, but rest from spiritual works to earn salvation.
because God again set a certain day, calling it TODAY (Hebrews 4:6-7),
which is not rest in Canaan whose doors are closed (Hebrews 4:3),
but is entering the full-time Sabbath-rest of God, in the finished work of Jesus Christ on the cross, where the believer rests full-time from his own spiritual works to save and rests in Christ's work which has saved.

And, finally, I think I have to conclude that the author here
1) did not address Heb 4:1-13 in its context; i.e., failing to enter God's full-time Sabbath rest due to unbelief, and that
2) he regards what he sees as associations to be linking connections.

Association does not establish connection of texts, and is a much-flawed hermeneutic being used by some on these threads.
 
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Do you believe it is possible to keep God's law 100%? Wouldn't that mean we have the potential to never sin?
 
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So your're disregarding God's second covenant that was established well before Jesus came and was never abolished?

Than we have Jesus telling us Matthew 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Mathew 5:19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I say to you, that unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven.
 
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God gave three kinds of laws to Israel: civil, by which to govern society; moral, defining sinful behavior; and ceremonial, laws teaching the meaning of spiritual defilement (sin) and its remedy (blood of Jesus Christ).

The civil laws no longer exist because the nation to whom they were given no longer exists,
and moral laws of the Decalogue are subsumed in Jesus' two commands (Mt 22:37-40; Ro 13:8-10), and written on our hearts (Heb 8:10),
the ceremonial laws are abolished (Eph 2:14-16), and
the curse of the law has been removed (Col 2:14).
 
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Holy means "set apart," in this case, set apart from days of work, blessed with rest.

Right, but if I have a loaf of bread and I take a piece of it out - and set it apart - that does not make it holy.

There is more to 'holy' than 'set apart'.
 
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Do you believe it is possible to keep God's law 100%? Wouldn't that mean we have the potential to never sin?
What does the Bible say:

Revelation 12: 17 And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to make war with the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

God would not ask us something we can not do. When we want to do God's will and not our own we are promised another Helper. The Spirit of Truth

Jesus Promises Another Helper
15 “If you love Me, keep My commandments. 16 And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever— 17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you. 18 I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you.

What is impossible on our own is possible with Him. We all sin, but when we really want to obey His laws and His will, He provides us with His Spirit of Truth. When we fall we have an Advocate that forgives with sincere repentance and want to learn from our sins. We can do nothing on our own, but all things with God are possible.
 
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That is my point, God's moral laws are not wiped out. Which is why its still a sin to break any of God's laws.

If you're still under the law then this is relevant. Have you heard of the forgiveness of sins because of Christ's shed blood?
 
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Right, but if I have a loaf of bread and I take a piece of it out - and set it apart - that does not make it holy.

There is more to 'holy' than 'set apart'.
So in this case, you mean "set apart" to God, rather than set apart from the loaf.

The Sabbath was set apart (holy) to himself (Heb: qadesh).
 
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If you're still under the law then this is relevant. Have you heard of the forgiveness of sins because of Christ's shed blood?
After Jesus forgave what did He say- go sin no more.

Everyone is required to keeps God's laws. They are meant to be written in our heart, we obey them out of love, not because its a requirement.

I show love to God when I do not worship other gods. I show Him love when I keep His Sabbath Holy, I show Him love when I do not vain His name, I show Him love when I don't worship idols.

I show my neighbor love when I don't covet what they have, or when I don't bear false witness against them, or steal from them, or murder, or commit adultery and when I honor my parents.

When we obey these rules we are showing respect to our Heavenly Father. We are allowing God to be God. These rules make each of us morally better. We obey out of love. We are saved by Gods grace, His gift, but we obey because we are saved out of our love and devotion to Him.
 
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God's 10 commandments, including the 4th are moral laws and not ceremonial laws.
You must have me confused with someone else.

I've never proposed that the Decalogue was ceremonial laws.
 
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God tells us to Hallow His Sabbaths. It's more than a day off. Not working is part of it, but its pretty clear that
God wants us to keep His Sabbath Holy. You may want to re-read the 4th commandment.
Yes, it is set apart to himself.
 
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The 4th commandment is all about knowing Him. Dedicating the entire Sabbath each and every seventh day to Him.
Yes, it is set apart to himself.
 
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Yes, it is set apart to himself.
So what you're saying is God commanded Himself to keep His Sabbath day Holy? I am pretty sure God's 10 commandments was something He directed to us.
 
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So your're disregarding God's second covenant that was established well before Jesus came and was never abolished?
The Mosaic covenant is obsolete (Heb 8:13), the ceremonial laws are abolished (Eph 2:14-16), and the curse of the Law is removed (Col 2:14).
The Decalogue remains and is subsumed into Jesus' two commands (Mt 22:37-40), they being written on our hearts (Heb 8:10).

That is the New Covenant testimony from the New Covenant Holy Scriptures.
 
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So what you're saying is God commanded Himself to keep His Sabbath day Holy? I am pretty sure God's 10 commandments was something He directed to us.
I am saying what the Hebrew says: qadesh = "set apart to himself" (Ge 2:3).
 
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I am saying what the Hebrew says: qadesh = "set apart to himself" (Ge 2:3).
God is telling us His seventh day Sabbath from the beginning is Holy. The Sabbath was a commandment given before God wrote it on stone. Exodus 16:22,23

It's an eternal covenant and will continue on the New Earth Isaiah 66:23
 
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