Remove the stigma!

[MomWhoThinks]

While even many pro-life people feel abortion is acceptable in cases of rape or incest, how do we address those children whose mothers allowed these child their right to live? Do those of you who post here that these children should be aborted hold any ill towards the fetuses who are allowed to live? Do you value them as equal to yourself?

http://www.stigmatized.org

 

[Calliso]

I donlt necessary think these children SHOULD be aborted in fact I havent seen anyone here that has those views. I just think women should have a choice. As for my views of the kid once it is born I donlt have anything against it.

 

[Ave Maria]

I of course value them as equal to myself. All humans are created equal. However, I do think that there should be a stigma related to getting an abortion! Abortion is wrong in every case!

 

[JacktheCatholic]

I of course value them as equal to myself. All humans are created equal. However, I do think that there should be a stigma related to getting an abortion! Abortion is wrong in every case!

Kind of like asking "when is it OK to kill an innocent and defenseless child?"

Ans: NEVER

 

[Trashionista]

I donlt necessary think these children SHOULD be aborted in fact I havent seen anyone here that has those views. I just think women should have a choice. As for my views of the kid once it is born I donlt have anything against it.

Word.

 

[Archivist]

While even many pro-life people feel abortion is acceptable in cases of rape or incest, how do we address those children whose mothers allowed these child their right to live? Do those of you who post here that these children should be aborted hold any ill towards the fetuses who are allowed to live? Do you value them as equal to yourself?

I have never seen anyone on the Forums advocating that a fetus conceived as a result of rape or incest should be aborted. I and others have argued that a woman who has been a victim of rape or incest should have the choice of aborting a fetus so conceived.

Also, I have yet to see anyone on this forum state that children who were the result of rape or incest are lesser beings.

 

[JacktheCatholic]

I have never seen anyone on the Forums advocating that a fetus conceived as a result of rape or incest should be aborted. I and others have argued that a woman who has been a victim of rape or incest should have the choice of aborting a fetus so conceived.

Also, I have yet to see anyone on this forum state that children who were the result of rape or incest are lesser beings.

I think I understand...

The child conceived from rape or incest is a seperate human and apart from the violent act that helped conceive him/her. But God has still put a soul in that little human and that human is no more guilty of that violent crime then me or you and probably less so.

 

[Archivist]

I think I understand...

The child conceived from rape or incest is a seperate human and apart from the violent act that helped conceive him/her. But God has still put a soul in that little human and that human is no more guilty of that violent crime then me or you and probably less so.

But it isn't up to us to force a woman who is a victim of rape or incest to carry the fetus to term. No one should be forced to give birth to the child of her attacker. The choice has to remain with her.

 

[lofgrenb]

And personally would love to have the opportunity to carry a child to fullterm and "rescue" sort of speak a child that would have been aborted... Oh well.. kind of personal off topic... but anyway.

 

[JacktheCatholic]

And personally would love to have the opportunity to carry a child to fullterm and "rescue" sort of speak a child that would have been aborted... Oh well.. kind of personal off topic... but anyway.

I agree.

The baby is innocent in all matters and to condone even one abotion is to condone the homicide of a baby.

I know as the father of three that I would give my life for any of my children and my wife. I am sure if I was a mother with what I know today that I would have that child no matter the circumstances. If it meant the life of the mother to even try to birth that child then what could a mother ever do that is greater than that for God? And if that baby were the result of some violent crime then "yes" still have that baby and if the baby is too difficult to keep then let the baby go to some parents unable to have a child of their own

Homicide is homicide and rape does not warrant the murder of a baby.

These babies are not ours to do with as we please. God created a soul from nothing and at the time of conception that soul is in that baby. Just as we belong to God so does that baby. Any abortion is the slaughter of an innocent soul and one of my brothers or sisters. It drives me nuts when I am reminded that the USA has on average 4,400 abortions a day. That is something like 1.5 Million killed babies a year!!!

 

[Archivist]

I agree.

The baby is innocent in all matters and to condone even one abotion is to condone the homicide of a baby.

I know as the father of three that I would give my life for any of my children and my wife. I am sure if I was a mother with what I know today that I would have that child no matter the circumstances. If it meant the life of the mother to even try to birth that child then what could a mother ever do that is greater than that for God? And if that baby were the result of some violent crime then "yes" still have that baby and if the baby is too difficult to keep then let the baby go to some parents unable to have a child of their own

Homicide is homicide and rape does not warrant the murder of a baby.

These babies are not ours to do with as we please. God created a soul from nothing and at the time of conception that soul is in that baby. Just as we belong to God so does that baby. Any abortion is the slaughter of an innocent soul and one of my brothers or sisters. It drives me nuts when I am reminded that the USA has on average 4,400 abortions a day. That is something like 1.5 Million killed babies a year!!!

Homicide and murder are both legal terms that have specific requirements. Abortion is neither homicide nor murder.

Who are you to tell a woman who has already suffered with the pain of rape or incest than she suffer more and must carry the spawn of her attacker to term? What gives you that right? The choice must be hers.

 

[Horizonol]

I donlt necessary think these children SHOULD be aborted in fact I havent seen anyone here that has those views. I just think women should have a choice. As for my views of the kid once it is born I donlt have anything against it.

Should I have a choice to own a slave?

 

[JacktheCatholic]

Homicide and murder are both legal terms that have specific requirements. Abortion is neither homicide nor murder.

Abortion IS homicide...

Homicide:
1 : a person who kills another
2 : a killing of one human being by another

Yes a baby is both a human and a person. Simple and to point.

Who are you to tell a woman who has already suffered with the pain of rape or incest than she suffer more and must carry the spawn of her attacker to term? What gives you that right? The choice must be hers.

I am simply the voice of reason.


Look at what you say and it is so obvious that you have no clue. I guess by your reasoning I can kill you if your words cause me pain on this forum since the excuse you provide for the murder of an innocent baby is the pain from a previous crime or even the pain of giving birth. Ever heard the phrase "two wrongs do not make a right"?

But this is not about you. It boils down to the simple truth that GOD has given all of us the precepts for right and wrong. Murder of an innocent baby IS WRONG.

 

[Trashionista]

Yes a baby is both a human and a person. Simple and to point.

Look at what you say and it is so obvious that you have no clue. I guess by your reasoning I can kill you if your words cause me pain on this forum since the excuse you provide for the murder of an innocent baby is the pain from a previous crime or even the pain of giving birth. Ever heard the phrase "two wrongs do not make a right"?

But this is not about you. It boils down to the simple truth that GOD has given all of us the precepts for right and wrong. Murder of an innocent baby IS WRONG.

We're not talking about babies.

Abortion is the termination of a pregnancy of a fetus or embryo - that is the scientific definition.

Whether you see it as a baby or not is a moral opinion. So, you can't call it the "murder of an innocent baby" if the other side doesn't see it as a baby.

 

[Archivist]

Abortion IS homicide...

Homicide:
1 : a person who kills another
2 : a killing of one human being by another

Yes a baby is both a human and a person. Simple and to point.

But it isn't legal homicide (which is what I was discussing), nor is it murder as you previously claimed.

I am simply the voice of reason.

You are entitled to your opinion, which is no more or less reasonable than my views on the subject.

Look at what you say and it is so obvious that you have no clue.

Just because I disagree with you, why do you have to start throwing insults? I think that we can carry on a rational discussion without doing that.

I guess by your reasoning I can kill you if your words cause me pain on this forum since the excuse you provide for the murder of an innocent baby is the pain from a previous crime or even the pain of giving birth.

No because I am a life in being. Killing me would be murder. A fetus is a potential life, not a life in being. Have you read Lord Coke on this subject?

Again, who are you to tell a victim of rape or incest that she must carry the spawn of her attacker to term. That is slavery, which we have thankfully abolished in this country. Is it fair to force a woman who has already been victimized once to go through morning sickness, weight gain, stretch marks, the pain a labor, the possible scarring of a c-section and the very real possibility of death?

Ever heard the phrase "two wrongs do not make a right"?

Yes, I have.

But this is not about you.

When did I say that it was about me???????

It boils down to the simple truth that GOD has given all of us the precepts for right and wrong.

Correct.

Murder of an innocent baby IS WRONG.

And, again, abortion isn't murder.

 

[PostTribber]

We're not talking about babies. Abortion is the termination of a pregnancy of a fetus or embryo - that is the scientific definition. Whether you see it as a baby or not is a moral opinion. So, you can't call it the "murder of an innocent baby" if the other side doesn't see it as a baby.

...'fetus' is a latin term expressing 'unborn child'. 'fetus' is used instead of 'unborn child' so as to 'lesson' the guilt and 'diminish' the 'act' of ending a life. a married woman doesn't call family & friends to inform then that "I'M GOING TO HAVE A FETUS!" and the 'exhausted' appeal to 'incest or rape' does not account for the 'millions' aborted every year, or else Nancy Grace would be on 24/7.

 

[Archivist]

and the 'exhausted' appeal to 'incest or rape' does not account for the 'millions' aborted every year, or else Nancy Grace would be on 24/7.

Perhaps you should look at the OP, beacause thsi thread is specifically discussing those conceived as a result of incest or rape.

 

[PostTribber]

Perhaps you should look at the OP, beacause thsi thread is specifically discussing those conceived as a result of incest or rape.

...please note I was responding to previous post as 'quoted' from Quirk.

 

[Archivist]

...please note I was responding to previous post as 'quoted' from Quirk.

Yes, and if you read the post to which she was responding, it was discussing abortion in cases of rape and incest.

 

[Trashionista]

...'fetus' is a latin term expressing 'unborn child'. 'fetus' is used instead of 'unborn child' so as to 'lesson' the guilt and 'diminish' the 'act' of ending a life. a married woman doesn't call family & friends to inform then that "I'M GOING TO HAVE A FETUS!" and the 'exhausted' appeal to 'incest or rape' does not account for the 'millions' aborted every year, or else Nancy Grace would be on 24/7.

Abortion is a grueling process, yes, maybe one that does often have guilt attached to it. The decision to abort or not abort a fetus is not something I'd wish on my worst enemy.

However, I don't believe using "fetus" or "embryo" in anyway suggests that a burden should be lessened. Personally, I'm using it as a scientific term - abortion is a medical procedure. Its no different that using "uterus" instead of "mummy's tummy" when discussing a hysterectomy.