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It IS indeed hard to just say "so what" to the thoughts and go about your day, but this IS a good key. The more we obsess on the thoughts the worse they become. It feeds our OCD tendencies. It's kind of like we can't be rational in the area of our obsession. We get where we can't '"see the forest for the trees." When we can do as seajoy suggests, it helps us sort things out from a rational perspective. Prayers for you~:prayer::hug:

When I try not to think about them, my gets in a panic and is like "What if they are right???" Then I resume pondering them. It does get worse. I used to have OCD thoughts about dying in my sleep. I had those for a year and a half. After those, came the ones I have now. I have had them for a year and a half and they are so much worse than they used to be. There are days when I literally it takes all I have to get up because I think 'What is the point of living if I am not going to Heaven?' And somedays I feel like I will never overcome this. It's awful. Thank you for the prayers :hug:
 
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When I try not to think about them, my gets in a panic and is like "What if they are right???" Then I resume pondering them. It does get worse. I used to have OCD thoughts about dying in my sleep. I had those for a year and a half. After those, came the ones I have now. I have had them for a year and a half and they are so much worse than they used to be. There are days when I literally it takes all I have to get up because I think 'What is the point of living if I am not going to Heaven?' And somedays I feel like I will never overcome this. It's awful. Thank you for the prayers :hug:
Yeah, I know what you are saying. You really have to force yourself to disregard the thoughts. But again it really the only way to get your head clear enough to think about something rationally. I know you said it would be difficult to get professional help. Would you parents be ok with you at least talking to a pastor about this one subject? If so, I think you should.
 
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Yeah, I know what you are saying. You really have to force yourself to disregard the thoughts. But again it really the only way to get your head clear enough to think about something rationally. I know you said it would be difficult to get professional help. Would you parents be ok with you at least talking to a pastor about this one subject? If so, I think you should.

It's so tough. I thought I had the thoughts disregarded a while back, but then they came back again. No they wouldn't allow it. And the pastor probably wouldn't understand. People don't understand religious OCD unless they have had it.
My pastor has talked about doubts and was like "If you have doubts, then search yourself and make sure and then when you are sure, move on."
When I search myself, the thoughts get worse.
 
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When I search myself, the thoughts get worse.

Yes, I totally understand. And yeah, this is why FORCING yourself not to obsess is effective and obsessing just feeds the OCD thoughts. For most people examining their faith might be a good thing, but for someone who is battling OCD, they have already examined it over and over and it's just a perpetual, non-productive cycle.

Most Christians who battle OCD do question their salvation in a myriad of ways, but even if they manage to settle that, it generally morphs into some other OCD battle.:doh: That's why a lot of us here will advise you to "treat the root (OCD) and NOT just the fruit (lack of assurance of salvation.) For now, try to follow the advice of just disregarding the OCD thoughts, dwelling and obsessing etc. I know it's hard, but that will help you the most. Take it from someone who has definitely been there.
Praying for you, kitty~~
 
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Yes, I totally understand. And yeah, this is why FORCING yourself not to obsess is effective and obsessing just feeds the OCD thoughts. For most people examining their faith might be a good thing, but for someone who is battling OCD, they have already examined it over and over and it's just a perpetual, non-productive cycle.

Most Christians who battle OCD do question their salvation in a myriad of ways, but even if they manage to settle that, it generally morphs into some other OCD battle.:doh: That's why a lot of us here will advise you to "treat the root (OCD) and NOT just the fruit (lack of assurance of salvation.) For now, try to follow the advice of just disregarding the OCD thoughts, dwelling and obsessing etc. I know it's hard, but that will help you the most. Take it from someone who has definitely been there.
Praying for you, kitty~~


Yeah I have examined my faith for a year and a half and it just winds up generating more obsessive thoughts.

I have questioned in a lot of ways. Anything and everything you can imagine relating to Salvation. Every question. Every doctrine. I have heard that OCD can't ever really be cured because it is something wrong with the brain. Thanks for the continued advice and prayers.
 
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Yeah I have examined my faith for a year and a half and it just winds up generating more obsessive thoughts.

I have questioned in a lot of ways. Anything and everything you can imagine relating to Salvation. Every question. Every doctrine. I have heard that OCD can't ever really be cured because it is something wrong with the brain. Thanks for the continued advice and prayers.
I do believe the Lord can heal of OCD as with anything else. However, short of that, I do believe people can get any OCD thinking down to a "managable level" (where it doesn't interfere so much with their lives) with the proper counseling and/or meds...usually SSRI meds.
 
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I do believe the Lord can heal of OCD as with anything else. However, short of that, I do believe people can get any OCD thinking down to a "managable level" (where it doesn't interfere so much with their lives) with the proper counseling and/or meds...usually SSRI meds.

Yeah Jesus is our Physician. But see when I say that, I think "Well what if I'm not saved? Then I can't be healed and then I'll go to hell." My mind is insane. I hope to get my OCD to a manageable level someday.
I am a bit leery of meds because the last time I took meds for surgery, they had the total opposite effect and scared me.
I would be great with CBT or whatever it is called.
 
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Kitty - it sounds like you, for now, are on your own with your recovery. You and God, that is. And He is really all you need. Please try my advice to say "so what" to your thoughts....then go on with your day, and don't look back and try to "figure things out." My psychiatrist said I had the worst case of religious (scrupilosity- I can't spell) OCD that he had ever seen. I was driven to near madness, placed in many hospitals because of my thoughts....and this worked for me.

You actually have a pretty good understanding on what OCD is. Always remember - it's a disorder, not a problem with God. We OCD'ers have a weird filter in our brains that does not work properly. Everyone has strange thoughts about God, but those thoughts go right out of their heads so fast, that a person without OCD doesn't even realize they have had those thoughts. In our brains, the thoughts get stuck....and roll around in there for us to try and "figure out." This is where we need to trick our brains into not caring.

God does not want us to question our salvation. He is a God of peace, and Jesus took care of everything so we wouldn't have to do this questioning.

I truly believe that you can do this, and get past these awful thoughts. It takes time, and perserverence. But you are strong....and smart. I can tell that from your posts. And God will be right there beside you.

Reassurance is not good for OCD at all. So you won't see me doing much of that. My goal is to help others actually get rid of their OCD fears....I don't mess around with with reassurance - I just nip things in the bud with therapy. I love to pass on to others what God has done for me.

Christ is the author and perfector of our faith. And the good work He began in you, will go on to completion. This is all taken from God's word in the New Testament - I just can't remember where they are found right now. May God go with you.
 
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Kitty - it sounds like you, for now, are on your own with your recovery. You and God, that is. And He is really all you need. Please try my advice to say "so what" to your thoughts....then go on with your day, and don't look back and try to "figure things out." My psychiatrist said I had the worst case of religious (scrupilosity- I can't spell) OCD that he had ever seen. I was driven to near madness, placed in many hospitals because of my thoughts....and this worked for me.

You actually have a pretty good understanding on what OCD is. Always remember - it's a disorder, not a problem with God. We OCD'ers have a weird filter in our brains that does not work properly. Everyone has strange thoughts about God, but those thoughts go right out of their heads so fast, that a person without OCD doesn't even realize they have had those thoughts. In our brains, the thoughts get stuck....and roll around in there for us to try and "figure out." This is where we need to trick our brains into not caring.

God does not want us to question our salvation. He is a God of peace, and Jesus took care of everything so we wouldn't have to do this questioning.

I truly believe that you can do this, and get past these awful thoughts. It takes time, and perserverence. But you are strong....and smart. I can tell that from your posts. And God will be right there beside you.

Reassurance is not good for OCD at all. So you won't see me doing much of that. My goal is to help others actually get rid of their OCD fears....I don't mess around with with reassurance - I just nip things in the bud with therapy. I love to pass on to others what God has done for me.

Christ is the author and perfector of our faith. And the good work He began in you, will go on to completion. This is all taken from God's word in the New Testament - I just can't remember where they are found right now. May God go with you.

Yeah that sounds pretty correct. Me and God. Well, and all of the lovely people on here who understand what I am going through. The ‘so what’ idea does seem to be one of the most popular things that people with religious OCD does. I would consider mine definitely pretty bad. It’s even in my dreams every single night. I will give it a try though

I have definitely done some study on OCD and on brain functions during OCD and stuff like that. Sometimes I forget that’s it’s a disorder and wonder why all this happens lol. Yeah I have heard people who are all like ‘Yeah I doubted once or twice no big deal.’ Those are people whom the thoughts don’t linger and manifest. Tricking my brain is something that will definitely takes tons of work and faith.

Yet, with OCD, doubting is prevalent. I trust Jesus and God though.
Thank you so much. I believe that too.

I agree with you on that. It’s good that you are able to use your experience to help others afflicted with religious OCD.

I can’t wait for Christ to make my faith stronger. Thank you.
 
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Hi Kitty,

I'm sorry to hear about what you're going through. I know you believe in Divine Election. I am sure you have very valid reasons why you believe in that, and I am not attempting to force you to believe otherwise by what I'm about to say. But I just want to offer a counter-point, or something to think about regarding that. I copied and pasted a set of verses from the Bible below you can look at. In those verses, the Holy Scriptures say that believers who repent and are baptized recieve forgiveness of their sins, the gift of the Holy Spirit, and (further down in those verses says twice how those who do this are added as saved to the Lord's Church). In those verses, further down, it does say that the promise is for all who are far off, for all whom the Lord God will call to Himself. Yet, what is also very important, is another verse: "John 3:16 - For God so loved the world, that whoever believes in Him will not perish, but have eternal life." I believe the Bible is a book where it is essential to make sure we are getting the big picture on God's view of any matter (especially salvation). There are some plain statements in the Bible, yet the more we read and understand the context certain statements were written in, the more accurately we can understand what God is communicating to us. In looking at several Scriptures about salvation, it is my honest perception that God does not pick out certain people to predestin for hell or heaven against their will; but offers salvation to all as a gift we can either accept or refuse. I am in no means trying to get into a theological debate, but this seems to be what is most accurately portrayed in Scripture. I'm sure if you were not concrete on your belief in divine election, you could look up more Scriptures in your Bible's concordance that speak about conditions surrounding salvation, or you could look for information online that shows Scriptures or logic that makes a case that opposes the theology of divine election. We all have a choice to believe in God or to not believe in Him. We all have a choice to follow that belief by repenting and being baptized for the forgiveness of our sins. If you believe in God, and you are trying to follow Him in accordance to His Scriptures, you have grace, you are saved.

Acts 2:38
38And Peter said to them, "Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39For the promise is for you and for your children and for all who are far off, everyone whom the Lord our God calls to himself." 40And with many other words he bore witness and continued to exhort them, saying, "Save yourselves from this crooked generation." 41So those who received his word were baptized, an there were added that day about three thousand souls. 42And they devoted themselves to the apostles' teaching and the fellowship, to the breaking of bread and the prayers. 43And awe came upon every soul, and many wonders and signs were being done through the apostles. 44And all who believed were together and had all things in common. 45And they were selling their possessions and belongings and distributing the proceeds to all, as any had need. 46And day by day, attending the temple together and breaking bread in their homes, they received their food with glad and generous hearts, 47praising God and having favor with all the people. And the Lord added to their number day by day those who were being saved.

Mark 16:15-16"15And he said to them, "Go into all the world and proclaim the gospel to the whole creation. 16Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned."

"John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that He gave His only Son that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life"

(Just some side notes: If God was pre-electing people to be saved or unsaved (whether or not they chose to follow Him), it would make God's statement in John 3:16 untrue. It would also make a number of other of statements in Scripture untrue. Hebrews 6:18 says that it is impossible for God to lie.

Hebrews 6:18
18God did this so that, by two unchangeable things in which it is impossible for God to lie, we who have fled to take hold of the hope offered to us may be greatly encouraged. 19We have this hope as an anchor for the soul, firm and secure..."

(Side note: This is another encouraging Scripture. Do you believe in God? Have you chosen to repent and be baptized like the Scriptures call us to do? If so, GOD through the Bible says you are saved; matter of fact, He says that if you believe in Him you will not perish.)

I'm sure there are Scriptures those who subscribe to divine election theology look at to arrive at what they understand. Some of that may contradict the statements of the Scriptures above. However, most times when statement(s) in the Bible seem to contradict each other, I find it's usually because one or more of the statements is not being read in the correct context it was written in. Or, because there are other Scriptures that need to be read that will give further information, and therefore a clearer picture of what God's will is, resolving whatever appears to be an alleged difference. There is a really good Christian apologetics website that may deal with some of this stuff, but I am not sure. It's called apologeticspress.org

Whatever your stance ultimately ends up being on this, I pray that your anxiety is put to rest, and that you wrap yourself in the amazing grace that Jesus offers you.
 
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Hi Kitty,

I'm sorry to hear about what you're going through. I know you believe in Divine Election. I am sure you have very valid reasons why you believe in that, and I am not attempting to force you to believe otherwise by what I'm about to say. But I just want to offer a counter-point, or something to think about regarding that. I copied and pasted a set of verses from the Bible below you can look at. In those verses, the Holy Scriptures say that believers who repent and are baptized recieve forgiveness of their sins, the gift of the Holy Spirit, and (further down in those verses says twice how those who do this are added as saved to the Lord's Church). In those verses, further down, it does say that the promise is for all who are far off, for all whom the Lord God will call to Himself. Yet, what is also very important, is another verse: "John 3:16 - For God so loved the world, that whoever believes in Him will not perish, but have eternal life." I believe the Bible is a book where it is essential to make sure we are getting the big picture on God's view of any matter (especially salvation). There are some plain statements in the Bible, yet the more we read and understand the context certain statements were written in, the more accurately we can understand what God is communicating to us. In looking at several Scriptures about salvation, it is my honest perception that God does not pick out certain people to predestin for hell or heaven against their will; but offers salvation to all as a gift we can either accept or refuse. I am in no means trying to get into a theological debate, but this seems to be what is most accurately portrayed in Scripture. I'm sure if you were not concrete on your belief in divine election, you could look up more Scriptures in your Bible's concordance that speak about conditions surrounding salvation, or you could look for information online that shows Scriptures or logic that makes a case that opposes the theology of divine election. We all have a choice to believe in God or to not believe in Him. We all have a choice to follow that belief by repenting and being baptized for the forgiveness of our sins. If you believe in God, and you are trying to follow Him in accordance to His Scriptures, you have grace, you are saved.

Acts 2:38
38And Peter said to them, "Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39For the promise is for you and for your children and for all who are far off, everyone whom the Lord our God calls to himself." 40And with many other words he bore witness and continued to exhort them, saying, "Save yourselves from this crooked generation." 41So those who received his word were baptized, an there were added that day about three thousand souls. 42And they devoted themselves to the apostles' teaching and the fellowship, to the breaking of bread and the prayers. 43And awe came upon every soul, and many wonders and signs were being done through the apostles. 44And all who believed were together and had all things in common. 45And they were selling their possessions and belongings and distributing the proceeds to all, as any had need. 46And day by day, attending the temple together and breaking bread in their homes, they received their food with glad and generous hearts, 47praising God and having favor with all the people. And the Lord added to their number day by day those who were being saved.

Mark 16:15-16"15And he said to them, "Go into all the world and proclaim the gospel to the whole creation. 16Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned."

"John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that He gave His only Son that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life"

(Just some side notes: If God was pre-electing people to be saved or unsaved (whether or not they chose to follow Him), it would make God's statement in John 3:16 untrue. It would also make a number of other of statements in Scripture untrue. Hebrews 6:18 says that it is impossible for God to lie.

Hebrews 6:18
18God did this so that, by two unchangeable things in which it is impossible for God to lie, we who have fled to take hold of the hope offered to us may be greatly encouraged. 19We have this hope as an anchor for the soul, firm and secure..."

(Side note: This is another encouraging Scripture. Do you believe in God? Have you chosen to repent and be baptized like the Scriptures call us to do? If so, GOD through the Bible says you are saved; matter of fact, He says that if you believe in Him you will not perish.)

I'm sure there are Scriptures those who subscribe to divine election theology look at to arrive at what they understand. Some of that may contradict the statements of the Scriptures above. However, most times when statement(s) in the Bible seem to contradict each other, I find it's usually because one or more of the statements is not being read in the correct context it was written in. Or, because there are other Scriptures that need to be read that will give further information, and therefore a clearer picture of what God's will is, resolving whatever appears to be an alleged difference. There is a really good Christian apologetics website that may deal with some of this stuff, but I am not sure. It's called apologeticspress.org

Whatever your stance ultimately ends up being on this, I pray that your anxiety is put to rest, and that you wrap yourself in the amazing grace that Jesus offers you.

Hey,

Thank you so much for the Bible verses. They are a good thing to look over and pray about that. Thank you also for your prayers. :)
 
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What if I go to hell? What if what if what if? :(

Any advice?

I have been a Christian pretty well all my life. The Lord has never abandoned me, and I see no reason to abandon him.

It is a matter of trust. If we do not willingly deny him, there is no reason for him to deny us. After that, leave your destination in his hands; you are safe there.

One final point. Another name for the Holy Spirit is Paraclete, which means comforter. If the message you receive is one of comfort, it is very likely to be from the Holy Spirit. If it is of despair, it will not be of the Holy Spirit, and you can safely ignore it. Even when God convicts us of sin, he does so in love and compassion, not in anger and rejection.
 
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Sorry to hear you are struggling with salvation doubts:hug:. I can relate to what you are going through as I sometimes worry about that. I never used to worry about it until I came across certain preachers who I will not name here who more or less preach that unless you live a perfect or almost perfect Christian life you won't be saved. I know I am nowhere near the type of Christian I should be and that bothers me sometimes. I know in my heart that God is not the way these preachers portray Him and that the Bible teaches salvation by faith not by works but still. I was wondering if you have been exposed to such people? IMHO while I believe in Hell and all that some of what these "preachers" are into is nothing less than spiritual abuse and it can really mess people up.:mad:
 
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Kitty,
I prayed for you.....I too have struggled with religious OCD and "what-if" I;m not really saved. I am truly sorry you are struggling with that.

I do not believe that your parents are being un-caring.....I just think they may not understand and I do not think anyone should throw out comments like that....it is wrong.

I pray for God to walk you through....I know it sounds cliche, but He really sees all you are going through and the only advice I have is Hold on to God!
 
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Kitty,

I do not believe that your parents are being un-caring.....I just think they may not understand and I do not think anyone should throw out comments like that....it is wrong.

I find it interesting that of all the advice I gave her, you chose to pick out this one sentence.

When I was young, my parents were very uncaring about my mental health, and would do nothing about it. They also said my problems didn't really exist. I saw parallels in our stories. Because of my parents not caring to delve into my troubles, I suffered untold hell later in my 20's. My goal is for this young lady to get the help she needs, or at least help herself so she does not come to the same fate I did. Sorry if that offends you.
 
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I have been a Christian pretty well all my life. The Lord has never abandoned me, and I see no reason to abandon him.

It is a matter of trust. If we do not willingly deny him, there is no reason for him to deny us. After that, leave your destination in his hands; you are safe there.

One final point. Another name for the Holy Spirit is Paraclete, which means comforter. If the message you receive is one of comfort, it is very likely to be from the Holy Spirit. If it is of despair, it will not be of the Holy Spirit, and you can safely ignore it. Even when God convicts us of sin, he does so in love and compassion, not in anger and rejection.

Thank you. :) I didn't know that about the Holy Spirit. Thanks.

Sorry to hear you are struggling with salvation doubts:hug:. I can relate to what you are going through as I sometimes worry about that. I never used to worry about it until I came across certain preachers who I will not name here who more or less preach that unless you live a perfect or almost perfect Christian life you won't be saved. I know I am nowhere near the type of Christian I should be and that bothers me sometimes. I know in my heart that God is not the way these preachers portray Him and that the Bible teaches salvation by faith not by works but still. I was wondering if you have been exposed to such people? IMHO while I believe in Hell and all that some of what these "preachers" are into is nothing less than spiritual abuse and it can really mess people up.:mad:

I have been exposed to such people, but that was after the OCD began.

Kitty,
I prayed for you.....I too have struggled with religious OCD and "what-if" I;m not really saved. I am truly sorry you are struggling with that.

I do not believe that your parents are being un-caring.....I just think they may not understand and I do not think anyone should throw out comments like that....it is wrong.

I pray for God to walk you through....I know it sounds cliche, but He really sees all you are going through and the only advice I have is Hold on to God!

Thank you for praying.
Actually.....seajoy is completely correct about my parents. They don't care one little bit. I'm terrified to even try to tell them because they would tell me that I'm fine, like they did when I was 12 and I told them that I had this irrational fear of dying in my sleep. My dad doesn't even believe in mental health disorders.
 
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I find it interesting that of all the advice I gave her, you chose to pick out this one sentence.

When I was young, my parents were very uncaring about my mental health, and would do nothing about it. They also said my problems didn't really exist. I saw parallels in our stories. Because of my parents not caring to delve into my troubles, I suffered untold hell later in my 20's. My goal is for this young lady to get the help she needs, or at least help herself so she does not come to the same fate I did. Sorry if that offends you.

I just think we need to be careful, thats all. Sorry for offending you, I know you care and try to help. I think my intent on being careful not to label ppl as being un-caring as opposed to not understanding was taken wrong. Did not intend for it to bash or offend you.
 
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Sometimes people who don't understand OCD or any other mental health issues will not see the problem for what it is and may minimize it. I think my parents cared about some of the issues and behaviors I was exhibiting, but they didn't really know what to do about it.

This {I know from my experience with ppl, not my parents} Is what I was trying to say.
 
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