Religious conversion

[JDIBe]

Just imagine how boring the world will be if everyone went to church, said Jesus is the only god.
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The ultimate spiritual goal is to not see any difference between me and you or any living creature.

Ah, but that would be "boring", wouldn't it?

Sir, I think you completely miss the point of Christianity.

God bless you, though...

 

[GoodNewsJim]

Ah, but that would be "boring", wouldn't it?

Sir, I think you completely miss the point of Christianity.

God bless you, though...

I think he completely misses the point of what boring is! Heaven is awesome and will be totally fun. Even Earth would be more fun if everyone was Christian.

 

[wifemarsha]

Ok... but that doesn't change the fact. All christians go to Heaven. Everyone else goes to Hell. This is irrefutable Bible. God certainly says many more things, but that doesn't remove what he said concerning this subject.

Many who call themselves christians are indeed hellbound, but only on the basis of if they really are a christian, or if they are not.

The thing you need to be careful about there is your definition of a christian....Let it be God's definition of a christian and some who call themselves one may be made liars and fools.

 

[Epiphoskei]

The thing you need to be careful about there is your definition of a christian....Let it be God's definition of a christian and some who call themselves one may be made liars and fools.

God's definition of a christian is biblically explicit and ubiquitous. God intended us to know what a christian is or is not. As for discerning it in the case of individuals, you cannot do this flawlessly, but we are commanded to try such that we do not follow false prophets and every wind of doctrine, and there are biblical mandates to expell some so-called brothers if their behavior becomes deleterious to the church.

 

[Stinker]

"The religion's only purpose is to foster spiritual development. The ultimate spiritual goal is to not see any difference between me and you or any living creature. Or to say see god in everything! And love everyone equally. The whole purpose is lost by compartmentalising that we are christians or muslim or anything else." [stopconversion]


All the religions of the world contain components that foster spiritual developement (some much more than others). Many people see a problem when our religion morphs ethical codes to be extended to the unbelieving world. Christianity and Islam may be the most abhorred by the secular world because of this. In both of these religions we have a majority that teach an eternal fire is waiting for all who do not submit to the teaching.

 

[thereselittleflower]

You are reffering to Theosis. Actualy its more like see only good in others, be aware of bad in you and defeat it. Problem is it's little known concept outside Orthodoxy and that muslims and "others" don't give a damn about loving those that are not like them.

nestoj
God helps

No, he is talking about pantheism and attacks christianity.

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[thereselittleflower]

"He who tolerates everything, respects nothing" - Anonymous (or can't remember who said it)

This was in another member's sig line:

To tolerate everything is to respect NOTHING ~ R.Silverstein​

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[Sketcher]

There should not be any religious conversion. Just imagine how boring the world will be if everyone went to church, said Jesus is the only god.

Lets celebrate diversity and stop preaching that ours is the only way to reach God and everyone else goes to hell (charecteristics of christian and islam faith). The basic reason behind the intolerance and religion related violence we are currently seeing around the world.

We should stop giving money to churches who engage in coercieve conversion. This is the only way we can stop the spread of intolerance.

The religion's only purpose is to foster spiritual development. The ultimate spiritual goal is to not see any difference between me and you or any living creature. Or to say see god in everything! And love everyone equally. The whole purpose is lost by compartmentalising that we are christians or muslim or anything else.

Stop trying to convert me to your belief system.

 

[Servant222]

Stop trying to convert me to your belief system.

In other words, stop trying to make him a believer in not believing!

 

[GoodNewsJim]

I used to say a good one: Don't take religious advice from someone who's not a religious leader. I'm not a religious leader, so you shouldn't take my advice.

Nowadays I have God granted authority to tell people that I know God is real, Jesus is Lord

 

[rockytrails]

True.

But how does one know whom has the Lord chosen for his and whom He does not? Do all Christians go to Heaven, and do all others go to hell? Who am I to make such a statement? Even the angels do not judge in this. Pass the good word, surely, and if it brings fruit – glory to God, if it doesn’t –all is always in Gods hands. We say – I know where the God is, I don’t know where He isn’t.

He moves in mysterious ways.

nestoj
God helps

their is a problem above you give us bible verses yes, but all taken out of context . one could have the bible say any thing they wished that way.

now let me say this straight out .
if one does not believe in Jesus their only savior from sin .
yes they Go to hell .
you have read John 3:16 why have you not read the following verses that tell us this from God ;and in context.

please be careful of what you say next time

 

[MoNiCa4316]

There should not be any religious conversion. Just imagine how boring the world will be if everyone went to church, said Jesus is the only god.

Lets celebrate diversity and stop preaching that ours is the only way to reach God and everyone else goes to hell (charecteristics of christian and islam faith). The basic reason behind the intolerance and religion related violence we are currently seeing around the world.

We should stop giving money to churches who engage in coercieve conversion. This is the only way we can stop the spread of intolerance.

The religion's only purpose is to foster spiritual development. The ultimate spiritual goal is to not see any difference between me and you or any living creature. Or to say see god in everything! And love everyone equally. The whole purpose is lost by compartmentalising that we are christians or muslim or anything else.

The reason for intolerance and violence is not that people believe that Jesus is the only way... Jesus Himself said that He is the only way, yet He loved everyone and never persecuted people who didn't believe in Him. Loving others is something much deeper than simply tolerating their beliefs. It is wishing them good... the Apostles taught that everyone who believes in Jesus has eternal life (it's in the Bible!) yet I'm sure they loved people.

It's all in the Bible. If you don't like that particular aspect of Christianity, remember that believing these things doesn't lead to hatred or intolerance; sin does, not faith. In the end, what do you trust more, the Bible, or your own understanding? I'm not trying to attack your beliefs, if you don't want to change your mind, that's oki, all that matters is if you believe in God. If you don't want to go around preaching that Jesus is the only way to heaven, I don't think this makes you less of a Christian than others. I'm just saying that the Bible is pretty clear about this....there is "the narrow path"...and Jesus is God. Not 'one of the gods', but God Himself. It's perfectly possible to believe this and love and respect people of all faiths I try to.

It's really sad when Christians persecute others, because we're supposed to be following the God of love. No other religion preaches a God of love.... So I understand your feelings about this, I feel the same way. But I also believe what the Bible says.

By the way, many Christians don't say that people of other religions will go to hell...many say that we just don't know, and it's up to God to decide. But we still believe in Jesus. Also, I think there's a distinction between just labelling yourself Christian and actually following Christ. I don't want the whole world to be Christian in the cultural, surface kinda way....but for all to love God and others. When people follow the same God, they don't all become the same; God loves diversity! Just look at nature! He made us all different and unique, and when we become His, our individuality shines out the clearer.

I hope I didn't say anything that would be a 'stumbling block' to you....I also love diversity, and I have lots of friends that aren't Christians...I'm just saying that it's possible to believe what the Bible tells us but love everyone at the same time.

God bless!


monica