Religion and Science

[Usus Vox Tractus]

Please continue in this direction.

So you think on a very fundamental quantum level that the universe is sentience, and this sentience is God?

Sort of.

According to the logic I have mapped so far: Before the beginning GOD is Almighty everywhere at every point simultaneously. When GOD is stilled/divided by the Word into 10 standing wave "letters" (powers and principalities) One of those "letters" is a representation of GOD's active omnipresence outside the universe as perfectly stilled omnipresence inside.

This is number 8, the star-tetrahedron which exist like a Koch fractal at the bottom of scale. It is the things being vibrated that appears as quantum foam.

So this is the quantum field that surrounds and interpenetrates all matter. it is perfectly still and "hard" like a diamond. All "physical" matter are like beams of light and colors flying through the perfectly still diamond lattice.

That is the Holy Spirit as to us it is as a constant holy wind that speaks to us in the stillness of our souls.


It directly connects the central 1: God the Son, with the outer spherical border of the universe as 10: God the Father. The Holy spirit runs throughout all created things in heaven (antimatter cosmos) and earth (matter cosmos)



The first tier of the 4 step contraction that makes the 10 unfold 4 place holders simultaneously: The Central point of creation, the 1, the Lord/Son of God. The ceiling of the universe 10 sphere, God the Father. The quantum field Holy Spirit 8 (8 point on a star-tet) and the 9 (number of spaces contained by the star-tet).

That last one in antiquity was called the dark Mother. She is the space we move through.


God the Son and God the Father are the reason for the expansion of space-time between them. They are hyper massive quark matter regions of space. There are also 3 density level of quark matter. The contraction the created the universe also compresses the QM into higher density flows between the universes. Into "color" super-conductivity. These as flying bows over infinite violins keep the macro quantum constant the same for all universes.


Each one is finely tuned for life to appear. Just like this one.

 

[Received]

I deleted some comments drawing parallels to rockytopva. It was not meant the way it would have come across. Sometimes I want to engage in these conversations. Sometimes I read a post and it just makes me very, very tired.

So, I had two conflicting objectives: 1) Say something challenging to start the questioning of what was just posted. 2) Don't get dragged into a very long conversation.

That still doesn't change my inclination to pick on you for posting what you did.

 

[Usus Vox Tractus]

Please continue in this direction.

So you think on a very fundamental quantum level that the universe is sentience, and this sentience is God?

Sorry...to answer your question more directly: the Quantum Field or Holy Spirit is the mind of God in the universe as fully stilled reception. The Listener. It is a faster than light transfer membrane. Instantaneous.

Because our bodies and souls are a nested wholoarchy of higher universal shape/functions, a portion of the Spirit also nests within us. This can be increased or decreased.

 

[Received]

Sorry...to answer your question more directly: the Quantum Field or Holy Spirit is the mind of God in the universe as fully stilled reception. The Listener. It is a faster than light transfer membrane. Instantaneous.

Because our bodies and souls are a nested wholoarchy of higher universal shape/functions, a portion of the Spirit also nests within us. This can be increased or decreased.

So would you think that all the ridiculous thoughts we have on the ridiculousness of the reality QM reveals to us is because, well, we're really referring to God?

How do you understand the two slit experiment theologically?

*Opens beer*

 

[Resha Caner]

That still doesn't change my inclination to pick on you for posting what you did.

It was well-deserved on my part. No problem.

It does make me wonder, though. When I talk to atheists, do they hear something similar? That would also make me feel very tired.

 

[Received]

It was well-deserved on my part. No problem.

It does make me wonder, though. When I talk to atheists, do they hear something similar? That would also make me feel very tired.

Well, I was totally affectionately kidding. Just checking.

Secondly, I'm sure atheists read arguments relating to God differently than theists or Christians. God probably has a much different emotional reaction from atheists as it does to Christians, just as "atheism" often has a stronger emotional reaction to many Christians.

 

[DogmaHunter]

I can't claim to have originated this analogy; it comes from a theoretical physicist:

If the kettle is boiling, I can ask why. One answer is that the exothermic reaction between methane and the oxygen in the atmosphere is heating the water. Another answer is that the kettle is boiling because I want to make a cup of tea. I do not have to chose between those two explanations, because they are complementary. Of course, the answers have to be consonant with one another. If I offered my intention of making a cup of tea as an explanation for my putting the kettle in the fridge, you would think it was a bit odd.

I don't see how that answered my question...

 

[DogmaHunter]

Well, baring a solipsist hall of mirrors, there is only One reality: Science is the objective exploration of reality, religion is the subjective. Right brain, left brain.

Likewise to my previous post, this doesn't seem to be an answer to my question either.

 

[DogmaHunter]

Received, is there a particular reason why you are not answering my question?

I think it's a very legitimate question. I think your OP touches an interesting subject...but, as you state, it requires an assumption.

I think my question touches the very core of the reason why I am an atheist. Basically, I think my question can be rephrased as simply "why would you even consider a god-like entity at all?".

I consider almost every argument / discussion I have on here actually already a step to far in the process... In real life, i wouldn't even go anywhere near any discussions about "intelligent design" or anything of the sorts, because to even discuss those things requires allowing for the option of a god existing. I simply do not understand why one would entertain that possibility. I require reasons to entertain things as valid options.

Hence my question. What is the justification for the assumption? Where does the assumption even come from? What is it in the world that suggests to you that such a being even exists? That something "beyond nature" even exists?

 

[Usus Vox Tractus]

You'd also hold that God, being the stuff you're talking about, is no bigger than the universe, i.e., the universe's borders are God's borders?

No, GOD the Infinite quark matter ocean still exists above, between and below the traveling wave front stack of developing universes.

He is not diminished in the creation of them.

And yes, the external border of the Universe is GOD (The Father/Mother), the internal border (central point floor) is also God. God the Son that rule from the Throne at the center of the "sea of glass". When we approach absolute internal stillness, God (the Holy Spirit) is there too.

 

[Usus Vox Tractus]

Sweet Jesus. Do you have any writings of your own or anyone else you recommend on this train of thought?

I have yet to publish but a book is in the works.

You can find similar thoughts scattered throughout antiquity,

Example, Pythagoras: "The universe and man are both made in the same image of God. knowledge of one precludes knowledge of the other." "The universe is ruled by the number 10 containing all musical and mathematical harmonies. The secret to 10 is 4."

Tesla: "My brain is only a receiver, in the Universe there is a core from which we obtain knowledge, strength and inspiration. I have not penetrated into the secrets of this core, but I know that it exists.”


Similar ideas and 10 count is found in the story of the tzimtzum.

 

[Received]

What would be the basis or justification for that assumption?

Sorry, missed this. I think this is spelled out decently in the OP. What parts are questionable to you?

 

[lesliedellow]

I have yet to publish but a book is in the works.

Just as a matter of interest, how many theoretical physicists did you consult, before writing your master piece equating the Holy Spirit with the Quantum Field?

You know, people like Antony Hewish, Christopher Isham, John D Barrow, Charles H Townes, John Polkinghorne. As Christians, I am sure they could all have lent a hand.

 

[Usus Vox Tractus]

So would you think that all the ridiculous thoughts we have on the ridiculousness of the reality QM reveals to us is because, well, we're really referring to God?

How do you understand the two slit experiment theologically?

*Opens beer*

Basically yes. When we approach quantum level measurements, data flies off towards infinity...so we have to constantly "renormalize" for it.

The floor is consciousness, that which all matter is being passed through. So as we start observing interactions at that level, "matter" is affected.

*cheers mate!*

In my 3d mapping of the Kingdom of Heaven, the 2nd tier enfoldment is of straight motion in a singular direction and the resulting equalizing reaction split apart and wrap back around in a fixed volume. This describes a "pillar" torus with a beam like steady bolt of lightening down the center to the bottom of the sphere where it is pulled apart into an upward wrapping magnetic field.

So the particle this predicts would travel rectilinearly (straight line) and it would have "whole spin". In order to travel that way it "pushes" magnetically in the reverse direction.

Think of a water weenie: You are holding the outside with your hand still while the inside slips through. Similar to a photon's travel through space.

It is both "particle"; tubular spin direction of thrust, and a wave form; returning magnetic stroke. It will travel through obstacle courses in what ever way it can.


Fundamentally I see the paired "duality" of electricity and magnetism similar to the perfectly paired Justice and Mercy of God.

 

[Received]

Can someone please rep this guy, because I'm out for now.

 

[lesliedellow]

Just as a matter of interest, how many theoretical physicists did you consult, before writing your master piece equating the Holy Spirit with the Quantum Field?

You know, people like Antony Hewish, Christopher Isham, John D Barrow, Charles H Townes, John Polkinghorne. As Christians, I am sure they could all have lent a hand.

Not a question which is likely to get an answer I guess.

Pseudo science and pseudo religion.

 

[Usus Vox Tractus]

Just as a matter of interest, how many theoretical physicists did you consult, before writing your master piece equating the Holy Spirit with the Quantum Field?

You know, people like Antony Hewish, Christopher Isham, John D Barrow, Charles H Townes, John Polkinghorne. As Christians, I am sure they could all have lent a hand.

Nassim Haramein found the shape shape tensor of "empty space" and calls it the isotropic vector matrix. It's a star-tet Koch fractal.

He and Elizabeth Rauscher also found the same 3d solutions to Einstein's field equations that I did. For some reason I can't post images, but I can point you to there 3d hologram and describe to you mine and exactly how it logically unfolds. Google Image Result for http://gemstonetherapy.info/images/sacredgeometry/Haramein-Rauscher-solution-to-Einstein%27s-field-equations.1035x645.jpg

Buckminster Fuller found it's inverse, the vector equilibrium which is a tensor describing the centers of spheres in an ABC sphere stack. Same as I describe outside the universe.


A simple 2d representation of the star-tet field is the Star of David but a more accurate representation is two interlocking squares: This is found at the bottom of Christian baptismal founts, is called the Seal of Mechizedek, it is found between the chapters of the Quran.

The repeated tessellation of the 8 point "square star" and it's negative space is perhaps the most famous of Islamic designs and is called The Breath of The Compassionate.

The HS quantum field is "light" hidden in the darkness as the very structure of space. Your skeleton is bright white, the hidden internal structure of your body and it has 8 major divisions: Head, neck, arms, hand, torso, pelvis, legs, feet.

The star-tet field encloses 9 fields of space. It is the internal "emptiness". The tube that runs run through your body, the ailementray canal has 9 major parts: Mouth, pharanx, esophagus, stomach, ilium, duodenum, colon, rectum, anus.

It is also about 9 meters long.

 

[Usus Vox Tractus]

Sweet Jesus. Do you have any writings of your own or anyone else you recommend on this train of thought?

Nothing to the level the I have put it together (carved it out). I have been working on this for 17 years, it "birthed" it own full understand just this side of 2012.

 

[Usus Vox Tractus]

Not a question which is likely to get an answer I guess.

Pseudo science and pseudo religion.

Nope, pure logic, mathematics, evidence from modern and ancient science, and it lines up with the major themes of most religions.

The Kingdom of Heaven I have sought and wrestled with and made a map of is describes similarly by John, Daniel and Ezekiel. A great horizontally dividing firmament, a "golden lampstamp with 7 spirits/eyes of God issuing forth", 4 wheels within wheels.

In NDE language the golden lampstand is the tunnel of light and the firmament is the place of panoramic life review. All souls are eventually pulled to the center of the universe with is it's gravitation ruler on a throne. The Lord. God the Son who holds the key to heaven above and sheol below.

 

[lesliedellow]

Nassim Haramein found the shape shape tensor of "empty space" and calls it the isotropic vector matrix. It's a star-tet Koch fractal.

Nassim Haramein - RationalWiki

In much the same category as the Electric Universe crackpots, in other words.

Let me know when he wins his Nobel Prize.