reincarnation

[chunkofcoal]

What are your thoughts, as a Messianic, on reincarnation? Do you believe in it? Or no? Any thoughts on the Jewish teachings about reincarnation?

 

[GoldenKingGaze]

Those who were released from gloomy dungeons, and the Nephilim at Jesus' resurrection had not been re-incarnated.

 

[chunkofcoal]

Those who were released from gloomy dungeons, and the Nephilim at Jesus' resurrection had not been re-incarnated.

The Nephilim at Jesus' resurrection?

 

[GoldenKingGaze]

1 Peter 3:18-22 KJV
18For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: 19By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; 20Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water. 21The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ: 22Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.

 

[chunkofcoal]

1 Peter 3:18-22 KJV
18For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: 19By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; 20Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water. 21The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ: 22Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.

That is a very good point.

 

[visionary]

What are your thoughts, as a Messianic, on reincarnation? Do you believe in it? Or no? Any thoughts on the Jewish teachings about reincarnation?

die once then judgement....

Hebrews 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

 

[visionary]

The words "once to die" contradict the theory of re-incarnation (that we live successive earthly lives).

 

[visionary]

Dust thou art, and unto dust thou shalt return.

 

[chunkofcoal]

Good point Visionary.

 

[GoldenKingGaze]

There are Indian Jews with their own culture, that may be worth researching.

The challenge to believers comes from assumptions made by NDE researchers regarding people who remember paradise and maybe think those in paradise will live again. Dr Parti is interesting, contradicts Howard Storm's Q and A with Jesus. You can look at near-death.com and NDERF and IANDS.

 

[Skye1300]

I believe in reincarnation due to having past life memories since childhood. I believe it fits into Christianity and God's plan.

 

[Josephus]

Reincarnation is a Jewish concept and seems to have a good deal of biblical support (the concept of yibbum - levirate marriage, as just one example). The Jewish concept of reincarnation is that of the soul correcting itself, and that parts of the soul that do not, either go through ghehinnom (a time of extreme embarrassment) or reincarnation to fix what was broken (such as a thief finding himself working for low wages for a business owner in this life). The holy part of the soul remains above, but the parts that need correcting get reincarnated if need be, and this continues until the soul has achieved its full tikkun, or correction before it can be ready to receive the Divine light G-d has prepared since the beginning of the world. It's akin to the concept of us being clay vessels, and if we're not ready to contain what G-d has for us, we could shatter. So therefore until then, we have work to do, in whatever context or story G-d puts us in.

Do I believe it? I find it a plausible explanation for why apparently bad things happen to good people in this life, such as babies, or apparently the completely innocent, etc; among another reasons, some noble, others not so noble. Do I think it's critical to know? No. I find it a distraction, as we never know and really don't need to know. We only need to work on what we have before us now. That is what G-d wants us to do.

Each man dies, and indeed it only happens once thankfully (however I do wonder what happened to those who did come back to life in the bible, and if they ...uh... died again), but the soul never dies.

 

[Skye1300]

I agree. No one knows for sure what happens when we die. We just know that in the end we will all be judged and sent to heaven or hell and the devil will be locked away in hell for all eternity.
And the verse about it being given to man once to die then the judgement can't be taken literally because Enoch and Elijah didn't die at all, and Lazarus as well as the many others who were brought back to life by Jesus and the apostles will end up dying again. So that's at least twice, not once. Plus look at how many people today have NDE where they die, go to heaven, see Jesus and are sent back. They died, heart stopped but were brought back to life. Many people die 2 or 3 times on the operating table to be brought back to life and eventually die again. So if there are things that we know happens that contradicts how people understand that verse, then the verse can't be used to argue against reincarnation.
But yeah I know most Christians don't believe in reincarnation and there's not enough proof in Christianity for it to be accepted. If I didn't have past life memories, I wouldn't believe it either.

 

[visionary]

Re-incarnation is the re-entry into another body to life over again. Never once has a spirit entered and lived in one body and then re-entered another to live again.