well that is a shame that loving God is not appropriate for "church". But traditional hyms are like amazing grace? sounds like your traditionalist. I don't think traditions are how we are to worship God.
Upvote
0
Starting today August 7th, 2024, in order to post in the Married Couples, Courting Couples, or Singles forums, you will not be allowed to post if you have your Marital status designated as private. Announcements will be made in the respective forums as well but please note that if yours is currently listed as Private, you will need to submit a ticket in the Support Area to have yours changed.
I only listened to it for about a minute. I do not think it is appropriate for morning worship and is theologically soft.
well that is a shame that loving God is not appropriate for "church". But traditional hyms are like amazing grace? sounds like your traditionalist. I don't think traditions are how we are to worship God.
Think about your own words, "you miss my whole point if you are truly loving God you will be worshiping Him according to his ways."
Blue, you should learn to read what is posted and not read your own thoughts into the post. It's a simple skill to learn. I know you can develop it with time and practice.
Yours in the Lord,
jm
thanks for the answer
Blue, I don't believe you are being fair in this discussion. Mike tried to explain further but it seems you have misunderstood or ignored his comments. We worship God in love according to His word and not our individual preferences...we worship God in Jesus Christ according to His preferences.
Is this worship?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2V7KbbfRHA
http://biblia.com/bible/esv/1 John 5.3
Uzzah loved and thought he was worshipping God but when he put his hand to the Ark to keep it from falling off the cart it was on God killed him. 1Chron. 13:2-12There really is no disagreement between us JM. I think we are saying the same thing in different ways.
God has commanded us to follow Him out of Love, to serve Him in Love, and remain in that Love His and ours He gives us.
Of course we follow God's word, i personally believe God's word is all complete and deals with every situation that could ever possibly come up.
You did not think the song i post was for worship, but I argue it is worship of God. If you had listen to the whole thing there are references to scripture and every bit of it is about God as the focus not the singer. He is praising God in that song. You say not in church i say why not? But Amazing graze is fine in church, I have sang it before in a SBC which I grew up in. Now why is Amazing grace ok and not strong enough. The song is all about realizing you can't do it and surrendering to God. It even says in it I can do all things through Christ who gives me strength. That is scripture. The song has meaning to me, i was trying to help some people and slip my self into a depression, nothing was working and then i heard that song on the radio and it was like my words to God, It was a prayer I was trying to pray but could not find the right words and it pulled me out of depression in 5 mins. It could do that because it had God as the center, it was a bridge, reconnecting me back to God. So why not that song in church?
When I say we worship out of Love you say we follow God's word, the two are not opposites but go together. If you love God you will follow His word.
WHat I am trying to figure out is what church service you think the Bible lays out? Say this man says Sunday is a Holy day I say its the day I spend resting and in worship of God that it does not matter which day of the week I take or if it is the same day even. That is worshiping God in Spirit, but as Paul said you should not do what you believe is wrong in your heart, but Paul also pointed out how the strong in faith suffer because of those weak in faith, not that they are a burden, but because they judge the strong in faith, and like wise the strong in faith cast stumbling blocks before the weak for they do not understand. God forbid i be a stumbling block to you. If you believe it is wrong it is wrong for you to do it, but don't judge others who might have stronger faith.
Paul argued in Romans we need to stop judging each other and that is what I was referring to is Romans when i said Paul said. It is wrong to do what we believe is wrong, and it is wrong to judge our Christian brothers and sisters. So what if they have that music, don't go to that church go to one more suited for you, but don't judge them.
Wow i guess i did learn something in my class after all, awesome. Hear i thought I was killing my self for this class and had nothing to show for it.
Peace and Love
blu
Samuel Waldron explains using the following example. Mr. Anglican represents the normative principle. Mr. Puritan represents the regulative principle.
"Mr Anglican must use the materials of the Word of God, but has no blueprint and may use other materials. Mr. Puritan must use only materials of the Word of God and has a blueprint. It takes no special genius to discern which will be more pleasing to God."
Other points made by Waldron:
- God alone is to determine how the sinner approaches God in worship
- extra biblical practices usually tend to nullify true biblical worship (see video I posted earlier of holy laughter)
- we call into question the sufficiency of scripture when we add or make additions to the biblical norm
- the Bible explicity condemns all worship that is not commanded (Waldron lists the following scriptures: Lev. 10.1-3; Deut. 4.2, 12.29-32, 17.3; Josh. 1.7, 23.6-8; Matt. 15.13; Col. 2.20-23)
- how God is to be worship is explained here Deut. 12.29-32
John Owen, " Three things are usually pleaded in the justification of the observance of such rites and ceremonies in the worship of God: First, that they tend unto the furtherance of the devotion of the worshipers; secondly, that they render the worship itself comely and beautiful; thirdly, that they are the preservers of order in the celebration thereof. And therefore on these accounts they may be instituted or appointed by some, and observed by all."
(Blue, Owen is addressing the issue you tried to thrust upon me when you wrote, "You want rules laid out and rituals, Catholics are good at that so why a baptist?" Owen recognizes that some are changing the biblical order and practice by instituting what they like forcing others to observe and practice it. I see the regulative principle as freeing me from observing false traditions, human forms of piety, etc.)
Owen hits the nail on the head with swift efficiency. All three points tend toward the preferences of man, they are man centered, rather than centered in the word of God.
Yours in the Lord,
jm
Uzzah loved and thought he was worshipping God but when he put his hand to the Ark to keep it from falling off the cart it was on God killed him. 1Chron. 13:2-12
David later said that the Lord brought this breach upon us, the killing of Uzza, because we sought Him not after the due order.1Chron. 15:13
You see it is important to seek the Lord and worship Him according to the manner He has prescribed. We can't come to the Lord any way we wish nor can we worship Him in any way other than the way He has given us in the New Testament Scriptures.
Having said that I am also aware that no one follows the Regulative Principle strictly. It simply can't be done.
No david Loved God first thing he did when he arrived was find the ark and build a tent they were not even taking care of it. ANd also no one could approach God that was before the Christ came on the Cross, so yeah he died. How do you know it was out of love? that is adding to it, it does not say he reach out out of love, but that he touched the ark. But Moses Loved God when he went up the mountain and stood in God's presence.
As usual you ignore the point and focus on a detail. Are you actually foolish enough to think that Uzzah did it for any other reason than love?
Now deal with what David said was the cause of uzzah being killed.
I understand if you can't deal with a Scriptural argument. It is always easy to ignore what you cannot refute. Just remember that love doesn't singly define the nature and character of God. It is one of His many attributes.I'm moving on, frankly I don't care to discuss with you some one else sure, but past history i know it won't go any where with yopu so there is no need to speak with you really about anything, thanks and have a nice day.
blu
BTW your argument is fallcy
I understand if you can't deal with a Scriptural argument. It is always easy to ignore what you cannot refute. Just remember that love doesn't singly define the nature and character of God. It is one of His many attributes.
BTW faith is the required ingredient for worship. Without faith there is no love.
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?