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The author talks about love about what one does for the person but forgets the fact that if you are with someone you hate, no matter what you do, that other person will keep hating you.
Human words have the meaning that God gave them, not us. He created language, therefore, when the word "repent" is used, it has a certain and distinct meaning.
The author talks about love about what one does for the person but forgets the fact that if you are with someone you hate, no matter what you do, that other person will keep hating you.
You seem to have a modernist "feels good" idea of love.That is not the point of the whole blog piece. The point is that love does not have equivocal meanings that you can twist and tweak to make fit your theological preferences. You appear to have missed the whole point of what I was talking about in the piece. Love is always the same, whether you are doing it for friend or enemy - it is doing that which is their best interest.
Now the action of love may not seem like love - for instance, an intervention with confinement to a treatment center for an addict will seem like hate to the addict, but it is the best thing for that person.
QUOTE: However the reality of God is totally different that ours.
So does this mean that the reality of God being ontologically different from us, it changes the whole definition of love when applied to God? When the word "love" is applied to God, it suddenly means that God can take actions which we would look at and consider sociopathic if done by humans?
That is not the point of the whole blog piece. The point is that love does not have equivocal meanings that you can twist and tweak to make fit your theological preferences. You appear to have missed the whole point of what I was talking about in the piece. Love is always the same, whether you are doing it for friend or enemy - it is doing that which is their best interest.
Now the action of love may not seem like love - for instance, an intervention with confinement to a treatment center for an addict will seem like hate to the addict, but it is the best thing for that person.
QUOTE: However the reality of God is totally different that ours.
So does this mean that the reality of God being ontologically different from us, it changes the whole definition of love when applied to God? When the word "love" is applied to God, it suddenly means that God can take actions which we would look at and consider sociopathic if done by humans?
You seem to have a modernist "feels good" idea of love.
in your analogy about the addict, being confined can feel like sadism and hate to the addict, but in reality it's not.
so those in hell are experiencing the infinite love of their Father, and that's what causes the eternal torment.
and yes, when it comes to God, every concept we have is thrown out of the window because He is beyond comparison or contrast. His love is so beyond our concept of what love is that you can't call it love by any human standard.
The point of confinement, treatment, withdrawl, etc. in regards to the addict is that the addict be recovered to sanity and a healthy life.
The point of hell that doesn't end is..................?????
because you're past the point of successive time, as you are experiencing the eternal God as He is. the sinner experiences time as eternity, so if He takes unrepentant sins into that experience, it doesn't end.
Then praying for the dead is useless and a waste of my time.
You can't have it both ways.
hell doesn't exist til after Judgment Day. plus, if God is outside of time, any prayer for the departed is taken into account since God knew those prayers would be prayed before the foundation of the world.
no one is having it both ways.
that's fine and please do.
but stop please coming here and trying to push universalism or find some theological loophole for it. it's heresy. it will only ever be heresy.
*sigh*
I didn't start the thread. The thread was about hell and regret in hell. That's really the whole issue .... can a person repent in the next life. My response was in kind.
Next time I'll just pass out of respect for you and the forum
It started that way, then he mentioned something about God repenting and then out of nowhere: universalismit started out that way, and then you started about universalism being true.
It started that way, then he mentioned something about God repenting and then out of nowhere: universalism
No, God talks to us in our human language and partakes in human culture. What would even be the purpose of creation if we had not such freedom? God did not invent koiné greek, this would be funny if you told it as a joke. Now it's just sad.Human words have the meaning that God gave them, not us. He created language
Is "to bend over oneself" appropriate?For example „repent” in Greek is „μετάνοια” which means „bring back the nous in its existential place - meta-noia / meta-nous”.
The point of hell that doesn't end is..................?????
Is "to bend over oneself" appropriate?
*You are in the Orthodox Forum*
I was watching a video and the Youtuber said that the worse suffering for those in hell is the fact that they could have achieved heaven eternally. I think he quoted Thomas Aquinas so that's why I am asking if there is something like that in Orthodoxy?
Also, in the same video, there was a story of a man exorcising the devil and Satan says he regrets not "contemplating God's beauty" and if he could go through a pillar with barberwire (something like that ) to go to heaven for a few time he would do it.
Does the devil regret in Orthodoxy?
Thank you for your answer.
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