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Regional Flood, or Global? Let's look at the Scripture

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Sinai

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As you said, the purpose of this forum is not to condemn anyone else's faith. Rather, it is designed for Christians to discuss creation science, theistic evolution and related issues. To my knowledge, I have never codemned your faith or referred to your beliefs as folly (as you did in your last paragraph).

Although I do remember having complimeted you and inviting you to explain the reasons you think scriptures require you to reject scientific evidence that the universe is billions of Earth years old, I don't remember making any "abusive comments and condemnations" of either you or your beliefs. If you have interpreted something I wrote as saying that, then please forgive me.

And as for your concluding sentence, what I have is a wonderfully fulfilling relationship with my Lord and savior--and I hope you have such a relationship as well.....

Just because we may interpret certain scriptures differently does not mean we are not brothers (or sisters) in the family of God.

Shalom.....
 
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Sinai said:
Just because we may interpret certain scriptures differently does not mean we are not brothers (or sisters) in the family of God.

Shalom.....

And this too is an excellent point!
 
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I mearly said that the literalists I have had contact with (discussions with) rarely used anything other than any of the english translations. I did not pin this on all literalists because in fact I consider myself a literalist but only after I know what the original author said in the language he wrote it in. Otherwise all your doing is literally interpreting a translation.

what translation should I use... since I only get one... make it a good one.

It doesn't matter what translation you use. Which ever one you like the best I suppose, I chose KJV because it's much easier to go dirrectly to that Hebrew word and find it's meaning. Again any serious student of scripture must take into account that the difference's in languages calls for futher study into what the author originally said in the language that he wrote it in.

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Here's a great illistration of what I'm talking about. This is from a thread I recently posted in, in another forum. We are trying to find the meaning of "perfect".

I see most literalists interpreting "perfect" as the english meaning of perfect only for the simple fact that "perfect" is written there. But because there is a question about what the meaning of the word is I look to the actual word the original author uses to tell me what the meaning of it really is. And like in this thread with Vance and I because their are words in question that have several different meaning to them we are studing them to find the real meaning of what the author wanted to convey. Only after I find this out do I apply any kind of literal sense to it.
 
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OK, Neph, let's take it to the next step. I am convinced that your definition of "generations" is a viable one (although I don't think it is, without doubt, the usage intended by the author), and let's just take that as given and move forward.

What evidence is there for the rest of the theory. We see the Scriptural story of the Nephilim, but obviously this is not detailed enough to alone prove the theory. Here are the points of the theory as I see it:

1. That Noah's lineage was pure of Nephilim blood, and actually the ONLY line not so tainted;

2. That Jesus must be borne of a line not tainted;

3. All the Nephilim-tainted lines must be destroyed;

4. It was the Nephilim who were the cause of all the wickedness;

5. The Nephilim-tainted groups had spread all over the world, or at least were not limited to a single region.

What additional evidence do you have, Scriptural or extra-Scriptural, to support these propositions?
 
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So far everything you have said shows me you have understood everything I've said except that about the Nephilim being the cause of all wickedness. If I said this, this would be wrong. Men can't be excused here especially those who came from the line of Cain. However the "sons of God" showed up the began to teach things that God did not intend for man to know anything about. They taught sorcery along with astronomy and signs, and they taught the art of warfare among other things. The Nephilim didn't teach these things but practised them and turned against man and sinned against them.

What additional evidence do you have, Scriptural or extra-Scriptural, to support these propositions?

There's alot of other places in the Bible that do talk about the Nephilim however Genesis 6 is the only place that suggests how far they had spread. You asked for extra-scriptural evidence and in this way I can provide plenty of non-canonized books and writtings that do talk about both the nature and spread of the Nephilim.

The Book of Enoch is the most noteable and studied but there's also The book of the secrets of Enoch, The book of Jubilees, The first and second books of Adam and Eve, The testaments of the Twelve Patriarchs, The Law of the Prophets, The Genesis Apocryphon, The writtings of Philo of Alexandria, Antiquities of the Jews by Josephus, and even others.
 
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