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regarding abortion
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JasperJackson
Sinner and Saint
I have always been against abortion - even before I was a Christian.
My main reason is because of the arbitrary definitions people use for a human life. At what point during the 9 month pregnancy does a fetus/blob become a baby? Somewhere in the middle is a very fuzzy definition, so its got to be at one end or the other - at birth or at conception. Now I've (thankfully) never met anyone who would argue that its not a baby till its born. So I see conception as the only reasonable definition of when a fetus becomes a baby, i.e. a fetus is never not a baby. Hence killing it is murder. Any other definition of a baby is quite frankly disgusting. To the person who suggested brainwaves be the important factor, what about an adult who is in an accident and is "braindead" but still alive. Should people feel free to kill him whenever they want? Its disgusting.
I do feel sympathy for women who are in a difficult position such as when their own health is threatened, but what mother would not die for their own child if that child was say 10 years old? 2 years old? 1 day old? So why not still in the womb? It would be an absolutely horrible thing to go through but murder is absolutely wrong all the time.
My main reason is because of the arbitrary definitions people use for a human life. At what point during the 9 month pregnancy does a fetus/blob become a baby? Somewhere in the middle is a very fuzzy definition, so its got to be at one end or the other - at birth or at conception. Now I've (thankfully) never met anyone who would argue that its not a baby till its born. So I see conception as the only reasonable definition of when a fetus becomes a baby, i.e. a fetus is never not a baby. Hence killing it is murder. Any other definition of a baby is quite frankly disgusting. To the person who suggested brainwaves be the important factor, what about an adult who is in an accident and is "braindead" but still alive. Should people feel free to kill him whenever they want? Its disgusting.
I do feel sympathy for women who are in a difficult position such as when their own health is threatened, but what mother would not die for their own child if that child was say 10 years old? 2 years old? 1 day old? So why not still in the womb? It would be an absolutely horrible thing to go through but murder is absolutely wrong all the time.
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ellie'sforjesus
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Jeremiah 1:5 says Before I formed you in the womb, I knew you, before you were born, I set you apart. Psalm 139;13-16 says For you created my inmost being;you knit me together in my mother's womb. I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made; your works are wonderful, I know that full well. My frame was not hidden from you when I was made in the secret place, When I was woven together in the depths of the earth, your eyes saw my unformed body. All the days ordained for me were written in your book before one of them came to be.
I have always believed that abortion was wrong. Not only because I am a christian but there are so many wonderful couples out there just waiting to adopt a precious baby to love and cherish. I was one of those couples. My husband and I could not have children and God blessed us with a beautiful baby boy whom we love and cherish. He is the light of our life and without this woman not being selfish and thinking only of herself we would not have him today, he would allready be in heaven and not able to make his mark on this earth. Abortion is not only a shame on you, it is also a very selfish and greedy thing to do. I know that there are lots of christian women who have had abortions before they were christians and probably feel horrible for what they have done. Please know you are forgiven for this and cleansed with the precious blood of Jesus Christ. Oh, the blood is good!!
I have always believed that abortion was wrong. Not only because I am a christian but there are so many wonderful couples out there just waiting to adopt a precious baby to love and cherish. I was one of those couples. My husband and I could not have children and God blessed us with a beautiful baby boy whom we love and cherish. He is the light of our life and without this woman not being selfish and thinking only of herself we would not have him today, he would allready be in heaven and not able to make his mark on this earth. Abortion is not only a shame on you, it is also a very selfish and greedy thing to do. I know that there are lots of christian women who have had abortions before they were christians and probably feel horrible for what they have done. Please know you are forgiven for this and cleansed with the precious blood of Jesus Christ. Oh, the blood is good!!
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Sketcher
Born Imperishable
Augustine did not put it that strongly. Now, it makes sense for abortion to be permitted before ensoulment takes place - problem with that is, nobody knows when that is. The right thing to do therefore, is to play it safe. Also, pre-soul or not, according to Psalm 139:13-16, God is working on that little human. Who are we to interrupt that, unless it's literally the only way to save the mother's life.
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Hi Kidsagainstkows,
Sorry if some of this is redundant. I am a professing Christian and like some of the others I believe from conception on, the baby is alive and has an inalienable right to life. God gives life and takes it away. So if an individual or a government takes that life, it is a homicide. Basically justifiable homicide is one where a life is taken to protect one or more other lives. So in a case where carrying the baby will result in the death, or a significant risk of death, as determined independently by more than one doctor, then abortion should be authorized. But a mother should not be able to say my mental health is affected because I do not want the baby so abort the baby.
This view is based on my understanding of what the Bible teaches. First, you should not murder which is to say an individual, not acting under the color of government authorization, shall not take a life. Therefore, the mother is violating one of the ten commandments, unless she is actually protecting her life.
Understanding Exodus 21:22-23. What is implied by the word translated "miscarriage?" It simply means she gives birth, regardless of where she is in term. It does not suggest death of the baby. So the line, and no other injury means the baby does not die. Now in verse 23, if either the mother or the child or both die, then the person who struck her loses his life, thus equating a pre-born baby with someone who has been born.
Does the Bible teach that a pre-born babies life is as valuable as someone who has been born? Yes. So I agree with the California law that says if you kill a pregnant woman, and her baby also dies, you are liable for the death penalty because of the "special circumstance" of taking the life of two or more human beings.
Sorry if some of this is redundant. I am a professing Christian and like some of the others I believe from conception on, the baby is alive and has an inalienable right to life. God gives life and takes it away. So if an individual or a government takes that life, it is a homicide. Basically justifiable homicide is one where a life is taken to protect one or more other lives. So in a case where carrying the baby will result in the death, or a significant risk of death, as determined independently by more than one doctor, then abortion should be authorized. But a mother should not be able to say my mental health is affected because I do not want the baby so abort the baby.
This view is based on my understanding of what the Bible teaches. First, you should not murder which is to say an individual, not acting under the color of government authorization, shall not take a life. Therefore, the mother is violating one of the ten commandments, unless she is actually protecting her life.
Understanding Exodus 21:22-23. What is implied by the word translated "miscarriage?" It simply means she gives birth, regardless of where she is in term. It does not suggest death of the baby. So the line, and no other injury means the baby does not die. Now in verse 23, if either the mother or the child or both die, then the person who struck her loses his life, thus equating a pre-born baby with someone who has been born.
Does the Bible teach that a pre-born babies life is as valuable as someone who has been born? Yes. So I agree with the California law that says if you kill a pregnant woman, and her baby also dies, you are liable for the death penalty because of the "special circumstance" of taking the life of two or more human beings.
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Christ's_Warrior
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What do you think about this?
Italian Government Investigates Baby Left to Die after Failed Abortion
So according to your above statement, you condone the murder of innocent infants based on your definition of what equals life and what doesn't.
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