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We have free will if God can push a don't sin button in the saved why not everyone don't sin ? does he not love all
No, they can't "know" in the sense of something that is demonstrably provable. They can be assured. They can trust and have reason to trust. They can have quite compelling reasons for being confident of their salvation.Actually Bob can know.
CaliforniaJosiah said:With OSAS, no one can know. See my last post above. .
But the There is another believe stemming from Calvinism
That is predestined to be saved and that God makes us not want to sin.
Again a flawed idea only because free will is not controlled if it were and God could pre select why not all!
it is only assumed bob never was saved
In that passage or example.
I can assume we all can walk water with no faith aswell then?'
there are Many many clear not "multiple meaning "passages but clear passages clearly stated
brethren that fall back into perdition , falling away, to err /turn from to go back.
But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul. ([bless and do not curse]Hebrews‬ [bless and do not curse]10‬:[bless and do not curse]39‬ KJV)
Note : not of them THAT draw back!
Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him. ([bless and do not curse]Hebrews‬ [bless and do not curse]10‬:[bless and do not curse]1, 38‬ KJV)
We can clearly see iniquity as being sin / but not just a sin , sins that aren't repented of .
Peter committed iniquity denying CHRIST ,
David also with the murdering of bashibas husband.
But they repented/ didn't continue in the willful sin and were full of guilt and both asked for forgiveness!!
Jesus said I never new you you workers of iniquity clearly.
Just as much as we can't deny the passages you put up They are valid passages but can mean two or more things is the confusing part.
You also can't deny a clear not confusing only 1 meaning statement from jesus!
If you live in sin this is considers wicked iniquity and you are not COVARD by willful sinning
Also clearly states in passage
Hebrew 10:26
For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, ([bless and do not curse]Hebrews‬ [bless and do not curse]10‬:[bless and do not curse]26‬ KJV)
Clear as a bell!
A child could understand but apparently not ARE lying flesh that keeps us in sin.
Free from sin is Not Free to sin
Another Clear statement
No multiple meanings
Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him. ([bless and do not curse]1 John‬ [bless and do not curse]3‬:[bless and do not curse]6‬ KJV)
With OSAS
Is either you think your saved in your sin meaning you can sin and your sins are COVARD.
Which is also not at all in the bible it say all past sins! Not future not current!
But the There is another believe stemming from Calvinism
That is predestined to be saved and that God makes us not want to sin.
Again a flawed idea only because free will is not controlled if it were and God could pre select why not all!
Goes against Gods love for the whole world that he gave ...
No not when we are from Glory to GloryHammster said:Will you still want to sin in heaven?
Albion said:Well, that's an illogical statement if I've ever heard one. God can certainly have his reasons for choosing some and not others.
No, they can't "know" in the sense of something that is demonstrably provable. They can be assured. They can trust and have reason to trust. They can have quite compelling reasons for being confident of their salvation.
But they cannot know with a certainty.
We have free will if God can push a don't sin button in the saved why not everyone don't sin ? does he not love all
Keeping his commandments doesn't mean never breaking it.
Keeping is more in the context of loving - loving his commandments.
Is that you and your kid in the avatar? It's like loving your kid doesn't mean you never get angry at them by mistake. And even if you do, your love remains.
That kind of love.
It will truly show if you love your kid as you love/keep God's commandments even if we still make mistakes.
It's nigh impossible to be a perfect parent but if the love is there, everyone will see it!
In that context of keeping the commandments... ...not for saving our own skin, but because we love it because it does good to people around you and we love to do good to others.
Therefore, if you love/keep the commandments then it's NOT really a burden to do it, just like raising a child because you love the child.
With OSAS, no one can know. See my last post above.
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No not when we are from Glory to Glory
Does God want to sin
We will be like are father perfect as he is
ToBeBlessed said:Not everyone who believes OSAS is a Calvinist you know.
Going down that road .... The same could be said about God in general. We are compelled and confident, but no one knows 100% who is still alive.
I'm not understanding why that comment is relevant. Aren't we assuming that those who are saved have faith also?
Of corse not its not even what was said
Calvinism started the theology of OSAS and now it's just called that because it's it's own theology now.
Hammster said:So no free will in heaven?
Nice one
I like that lol
Yes
If sin is evil or wicked and God isn't ,Then your answer is that.
But " this is my assumption" because we don't know or understand the depths of heaven"
We are given time here to understand and then choose and then prepare.
He wants us to want to be good!
He wants us to willing Choose this because he doesn't want evil in heaven.!!
How can we not sin if it is us
Through Jesus Christ! And his promise!
We will thirst no more !
Amen
Few
Actually, God started the theology. The Apostles wrote about it. Calvin helped systematize it.
Yes.
So, to say that one is a Calvanist or not a Calvinist is more like a theological shortcut to put a base of beliefs together in the same basket. Aren't there like 5 basic beliefs if you believe all 5 then you are like a 5 point Calvanist or something?
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