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Which number sermon is this of Spurgeon's, or please post the link. Thanks
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Which number sermon is this of Spurgeon's, or please post the link. ThanksCan someone explain to me why the Calvinist DOES want to, as Spurgeon says "commit so great a crime" and be so inconstant with the text - changing 'all' to NOT all'"
I don't get why they want to do this - shooting themselves in the foot.
Sermon 1516Which number sermon is this of Spurgeon's, or please post the link. Thanks
No problem. Do a bit of googling and no doubt you will find loads of discussions such as "does the word 'all' mean 'all' all the time" ( as in the entire human race ).Thanks a bunch!
No problem. Do a bit of googling and no doubt you will find loads of discussions such as "does the word 'all' mean 'all' all the time" ( as in the entire human race ).
I think the correct answer is no, it depends on the context of the passage where it is used. E.g In addition to Spurgeon's sermon Romans 5:18
"Consequently, just as one trespass resulted in condemnation for all people, so also one righteous act resulted in justification and life for all people."
Does the word 'all' mean the same in both instances ? I would agree with this who's say it obviously does. In the same context - 2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance.
we have the words 'any' and 'all' to make the point abundantly clear.
That some perish even though, as Holy writ say - the Lord does not wish/will this, does this make God not sovereign ? No, as pointed out by many theologians, including Spurgeon, there are different types of God's will. E.g Decretive will: This is the puppet show - let there be light, and there could not be any thing else but light. God's decretive will is poles apart from God'd permissive will. The Bible is stuffed with if/then/else scenarios. God permits man's free will and is more Sovereign because of it.
No problem. Do a bit of googling and no doubt you will find loads of discussions such as "does the word 'all' mean 'all' all the time" ( as in the entire human race ).
I think the correct answer is no, it depends on the context of the passage where it is used. E.g In addition to Spurgeon's sermon Romans 5:18
"Consequently, just as one trespass resulted in condemnation for all people, so also one righteous act resulted in justification and life for all people."
Does the word 'all' mean the same in both instances ? I would agree with this who's say it obviously does. In the same context - 2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance.
we have the words 'any' and 'all' to make the point abundantly clear.
That some perish even though, as Holy writ say - the Lord does not wish/will this, does this make God not sovereign ? No, as pointed out by many theologians, including Spurgeon, there are different types of God's will. E.g Decretive will: This is the puppet show - let there be light, and there could not be any thing else but light. God's decretive will is poles apart from God'd permissive will. The Bible is stuffed with if/then/else scenarios. God permits man's free will and is more Sovereign because of it.
No one said and of course it wasn't, " a reference"."All men" was certainly not a reference only to Jews, being made by the very Apostle to the gentiles himself -- Paul. The context points to the Truth that "all men" means all human persons who exist... period.
Definition is great, but is ruled by context.@2 Peter 3:9: "all" means "all (or any) of you"...aka, the elect:
See original greek:
οὐ βραδύνει κύριος τῆς ἐπαγγελίας, ὥς τινες βραδύτητα ἡγοῦνται, ἀλλὰ μακροθυμεῖ εἰς ὑμᾶς, μὴ βουλόμενός τινας ἀπολέσθαι ἀλλὰ πάντας εἰς μετάνοιαν χωρῆσαι.
πᾶς,a \{pas}
1) individually 1a) each, every, any, all, the whole, everyone, all things, everything 2) collectively 2a) some of all types
More info on "pantas" here: Greek Concordance: πάντας (pantas) -- 90 Occurrences
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T = TOTAL INABILITY (Called in Calvinism, Total Depravity, but actually taught as the Total Inability of man to choose Truth. The Calvinist plays many such word games. The Word of God teaches that God created man with the ability to reason, choose, and receive Truth.):
Ephesians 2:8: "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God."
Romans 10:17: "So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God."
James 1:21: "Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and RECEIVE with meekness the engrafted Word, which is able to save your souls."
Isaiah1:18: "Come now, and let us REASON together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool."
Deuteronomy 30:19: "I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore CHOOSE LIFE, that both thou and thy seed may live."
Joshua 24:15: "And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, CHOOSE you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD."
Psalm 119:30, 111, 173: "I have CHOSEN The Way of Truth: Thy Judgments have I laid before me....Thy Testimonies have I taken as an heritage for ever: for They are the rejoicing of my heart....Let Thine hand help me; for I have chosen Thy Precepts."
John 1:12: "But as many as RECEIVED him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name."
2 Timothy 1:12: "...I know whom I have believed, and am persuaded that he is able to keep that which I have COMMITTED unto him against that day."
U = UNCONDITIONAL ELECTION (Calvinism teaches that God selects those who are to be saved without any condition, but the Bible teaches that there is one condition to salvation: faith.):
1 Peter 1:2: "Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ..."
2 Thessalonians 2:13: "...God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the Truth.
Luke 7:50: "... Thy faith hath saved thee ..."
Ephesians 2:8: "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God."
L = LIMITED ATONEMENT (Calvinism teaches that Christ died only for the elect, but the Bible teaches that He died for all mankind. The reason not all are saved is because they failed to repent and receive the Saviour, not because He didn't provide for their salvation.):
Isaiah 53:6: "All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us ALL."
1 Timothy 4:10: "For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of ALL MEN, specially of those that believe."
1 John 2:2: "And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of THE WHOLE WORLD."
Hebrews 2:9: "But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that He by the grace of God should taste death for EVERY MAN."
1 Timothy 2:4: "Who will have ALL MEN to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the Truth."
I = IRRESISTIBLE GRACE (Calvinism teaches that God's grace for salvation cannot be resisted, but the Word of God says it can be resisted):
Lamentations 3:35-36: "To turn aside the right of a man before the face of the most High, To subvert a man in his cause, the Lord approveth not."
Matthew 23:37: "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and YE WOULD NOT!"
John 5:39-40: "Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. And YE WILL NOT come to me, that ye might have life."
Acts 7:51: "Ye stiff-necked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always RESIST the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye."
Proverbs 1:24-26: "Because I have called, and YE REFUSED; I have stretched out my hand, and no man regarded; But ye have set at nought all my counsel, and would none of my reproof: I also will laugh at your calamity; I will mock when your fear cometh."
Proverbs 29:1: "He, that being often reproved HARDENETH HIS NECK, shall suddenly be destroyed, and that without remedy."
P = PERSEVERANCE (The Bible teaches preservation of the saints; not perseverance of the saints):
Jude 1: "... to them that are sanctified by God the Father, and PRESERVED in Jesus Christ..."
1 Thessalonians 5:23-24: "And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly: and I pray God your whole spirit and soul, and body be PRESERVED blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. Faithful is he that calleth you, who also will do it. "
John 10:27-29: "My sheep hear my voice, and I know them and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life: and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all, and no man is able to pluck them out of my Fathers hand."
Colossians 3:3-4: "For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God. When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory."
Hebrews 7:25: "Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them."
CONCLUSION:
Calvinism clearly errs from the teaching of the Word of God on all 5 points of it's TULIP. The logical conclusion of Calvinism is that God is an unfair respecter of persons who chooses people to salvation, not according to any standard that He established, but arbitrarily. This strikes at the love and justice of God, contradicts the fact that Christ gave his life for ALL, and rejects man's responsibility to choose and love his Creator.
Proverbs 24:23: "... It is not good to have respect of persons in judgment."
Acts 10:34-35: "... Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons: But in every nation he that feareth Him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with Him."
John 6:28-29: "... What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? ... This is the work of God, that ye believe on Him whom He hath sent.
Ephesians 2:8: "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God."
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Great public speaker... maybe. Reading comprehension... not so much.Amen
It flabbergasts me that Calvinist will not, it seems CANNOT learn from one of there greatest preachers.
What then? Shall we try to put another meaning into the text than what it fairly bears? I do not think so.
You must, most of you, be acquainted with the general method in which our older Calvinistic friends deal with this text.
“All men,” they say, — “that is, some men”: as if the Holy Spirit could not have said “some men” if he had meant some men.
“All men,” they say; “that is, some of all kinds of men”: as if the Lord could not have said “all kinds of men” if he had meant that.
The Holy Spirit by the apostle has written “all men,” and unquestionably he means all men.
Most times I see Spurgeon quoted in an apparent contradiction to Calvinism it's usually out of context.Great public speaker... maybe. Reading comprehension... not so much.
Judas was once saved then lost it. Matthew 10 Acts 1 Psalm 69 etc. H was called a sheep of Jesus and given power to cast out devils etc. at one time. Then in time he betrayed Jesus ( went against the trust he once had) .You can't lose salvation, once you get it, your sealed with the spirit.
Maybe those individuals were never saved to begin with and therefore are not producing fruit.
Judas was once saved then lost it. Matthew 10 Acts 1 Psalm 69 etc. H was called a sheep of Jesus and given power to cast out devils etc. at one time. Then in time he betrayed Jesus ( went against the trust he once had) .
Here are some more thoughts I wrote on this topic
Judas was saved and then lost his salvation
God bless brotherYes, your thread covers this topic pretty good.
The following article also helps to bring up some good points in defense of this, as well.
Judas; Once Saved, Forever Lost
May God bless you today, brother;
May we always stay close to Him.
God bless brother
its a ongoing sword battle in here
Wow, these verses put together this way seem to imply that our faith was before we were chosen before the of foundation of the world.U = UNCONDITIONAL ELECTION (Calvinism teaches that God selects those who are to be saved without any condition, but the Bible teaches that there is one condition to salvation: faith.):
1 Peter 1:2: "Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ..."
2 Thessalonians 2:13: "...God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the Truth.
Luke 7:50: "... Thy faith hath saved thee ..."
Ephesians 2:8: "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God."
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