"Reformed" or just "Real"?

[BondGirl]

Is it really that the SDA Church is becoming "Reformed" - or are we not beginning to become "Real"?

Acutally understanding the "good" and "bad" within the religion - trying to expose it, thus - changing it for the good/better?

Thoughts?

 

[StormyOne]

Is it really that the SDA Church is becoming "Reformed" - or are we not beginning to become "Real"?

Acutally understanding the "good" and "bad" within the religion - trying to expose it, thus - changing it for the good/better?

Thoughts?

Well there is a Reformed SDA movement and they are more conservative than the traditional SDAs... but there are progressive sda's who are doing as you suggest, dealing with the good and bad, make a change where possible.... Not everyone shares the opinion that change is needed.....

 

[BondGirl]

Change is always needed until JESUS comes. When we become "settled" and think there is nothing to change, this is when we are in the most trouble...

 

[HoneyDew]

There is a request on file for the Mods to change the name of this sub-forum to Progressive.

Also, to the correct spelling of Seventh-day Adventist.

 

[BondGirl]

This seems to be a nice board....hopefully the small changes will take place...and more people will hit this thread and tell me what they think too -

Honey...Stormi.....Thanks!

 

[Princessdi]

BondGirl, there is a lot that is right about our church, but that which is bad is very bad and often overlooked, explained away or just plain ignored. This pretty much makes us like every other denomination to which we generally feel superior. If we were really serious about being the "Remnant" church we would be serious about ironing out those spots and wrinkles.

 

[moicherie]

BondGirl, there is a lot that is right about our church, but that which is bad is very bad and often overlooked, explained away or just plain ignored. This pretty much makes us like every other denomination to which we generally feel superior. If we were really serious about being the "Remnant" church we would be serious about ironing out those spots and wrinkles.[/QUOTE]

Amen!

 

[Dizahab]

BondGirl, there is a lot that is right about our church, but that which is bad is very bad and often overlooked, explained away or just plain ignored. This pretty much makes us like every other denomination to which we generally feel superior. If we were really serious about being the "Remnant" church we would be serious about ironing out those spots and wrinkles.[/QUOTE]

Amen!

What spots and wrinkles are you referrng to? Please be specific.

 

[HoneyDew]

Wow. A newbie. Welcome to CF. First time posting on CF? Why not introduce yourself on the main forum so the others will be able to welcome you, Dizahab?

 

[Princessdi]

WEll, we basically suffer from the same ills from which society suffers. We will start with the fact that in the US our church is still, officially, segregated. Sure there is some blending here and there, but officially there are white conference and Regional[black] conferences. These were started because even though EGW gave instruction to do evangelism aamong the blacks, the white Adventist did not want to worship in the same churches with blacks,a nd sadly they still exist today. This is being discussed in depth in another thread. But we can start there. That is a huge wrinkle right there.


BTW, Welcome, I am a newbie myself!

What spots and wrinkles are you referrng to? Please be specific.

 

[Dizahab]

WEll, we basically suffer from the same ills from which society suffers. We will start with the fact that in the US our church is still, officially, segregated. Sure there is some blending here and there, but officially there are white conference and Regional[black] conferences. These were started because even though EGW gave instruction to do evangelism aamong the blacks, the white Adventist did not want to worship in the same churches with blacks,a nd sadly they still exist today. This is being discussed in depth in another thread. But we can start there. That is a huge wrinkle right there.


BTW, Welcome, I am a newbie myself!


So you basically your upset because of what you perceive as racism in the church. May I ask if you attend an integrated church yourself? Also--if segration was instantly removed from the Adventist churches--what would be the next wrinkle that you see needs to be removed?

 

[StormyOne]

What spots and wrinkles are you referrng to? Please be specific.

Well you are adventist... in your estimation is the church perfect and without problems?

 

[StormyOne]

So you basically your upset because of what you perceive as racism in the church. May I ask if you attend an integrated church yourself? Also--if segration was instantly removed from the Adventist churches--what would be the next wrinkle that you see needs to be removed?

Gotta deal with one wrinkle at a time...

 

[HoneyDew]

So you basically your upset because of what you perceive as racism in the church. May I ask if you attend an integrated church yourself? Also--if segration was instantly removed from the Adventist churches--what would be the next wrinkle that you see needs to be removed?

Editorializing already? Why would you assume the poster is upset?

 

[PaleHorse]

I think Dizahab askes a very insightful question;
Does any of the those that have posted to this thread, or feel the church is racist, attend an integrated church?

 

[awesumtenor]

I think Dizahab askes a very insightful question;
Does any of the those that have posted to this thread, or feel the church is racist, attend an integrated church?

Saying there is racism in the church is not the same thing as saying 'the church is racist'. I believe this thread mentions and is attempting to discuss the former, not the latter.

FWIW, the church where I attend and serve is, in fact, an integrated church and every Sabbath there are Chinese, Filipino, Latino, and white worshippers along with african, afro-caribbean and african-american worshippers...so I know first hand that it can be done, and done harmoniously.

The fact that such churches are the exception rather than the rule, even as folk continue to sing 'when we all get to heaven' is an issued that needs addressing because the walk and the talk of the church do not match up.

In His service,
Mr. J

 

[Princessdi]

Actually, I do attend a predmoninently black church, mainly because of the location. However, we have become multicultural over the years. We do have members of several nationalities, including a good sized spanish congregation that shares our church. We often have services together. most weeks they have their own, because most don't speak much english.

Now, for you second question.......sexism......

BTW, I am not upset. I guess I would be in I didn't know that God is in control, and I were not in relationship with Him. But as the song says, "This joy I have, the world didn't give to me, and world can't take it away!

WEll, we basically suffer from the same ills from which society suffers. We will start with the fact that in the US our church is still, officially, segregated. Sure there is some blending here and there, but officially there are white conference and Regional[black] conferences. These were started because even though EGW gave instruction to do evangelism aamong the blacks, the white Adventist did not want to worship in the same churches with blacks,a nd sadly they still exist today. This is being discussed in depth in another thread. But we can start there. That is a huge wrinkle right there.


BTW, Welcome, I am a newbie myself!



So you basically your upset because of what you perceive as racism in the church. May I ask if you attend an integrated church yourself? Also--if segration was instantly removed from the Adventist churches--what would be the next wrinkle that you see needs to be removed?

 

[Dizahab]

Well you are adventist... in your estimation is the church perfect and without problems?

Nothing on this earth is perfect.

 

[Dizahab]

Gotta deal with one wrinkle at a time...

I would like to have you propose some "cures" for this wrinkle please.

 

[Dizahab]

Editorializing already? Why would you assume the poster is upset?

Having read many of the posts in your threads--it's easy to see the obsession with this issue. Of course people of color are upset over segregation--to deny this would be dishonest. There is no need to be so defensive HoneyDew.