Redemptive Suffering

[Tigg]

Once agin, thanks all and to you benedictaoo very much.

-Peace-

 

[benedictaoo]

I'm just trying to see how you arrive at your conclusion..I'll just make a post in GT and see if we can discuss it openly among the brethren and see what scriptures and thoughts come up..Then I won't disturb the thread any more..How's that..

You will believe what the other anti Catholics have to say...?

No... you don't need to argue with us Kim and hear all kinds of misconceptions preached to understand how we arrive to our conclusions... you could just listen with a open heart/mind but you are very anti Catholicism Kim and you want to convince us we are wrong ... and I think, becuase you are a good guy, a loving person it's time you face it and deal with it.

 

[benedictaoo]

No Kim... you need to pray and ask God to reveal this to you.

We aren't getting credit for anything. It's not about us, it is about our hearts growing in love for others.

God gave our suffering means and purpose. He changed the whole economy of evil and suffering for us.

He didn't remove it, although He could, He left it with us and He Himself enter into it.

When we join Christ and suffer with Him on the cross, we are in union with Him, we are one with Our Lord and it's our Lord, not us who gives our suffering a higher purpose.

I know you have such a strong stumbling block that's a bias and resentment for Catholicism but I pray Kim, you get rid of it and you will just be a bit more open minded and allow God to speak to your heart. Catholicism is the truth and I pray you will allow yourself to let God show you that.

You don't suffer for nothing, just to suffer. You can join it to Christ and together as one, the grace can change hearts and minds. Because that is what the Cross is, grace that changes hearts and minds.

Next time you experience great pain, think of the Lord coming to you with His crown of thorns and asking you if you would wear it for a while, for the purpose of many hearts coming to know who He is.

I can tell you if you open yourself up to this, you will feel a closeness with Christ you never knew you could feel. You will also know what it is to give your life, to suffer for the sake of another and that is the essense of growing in God's love, to love others to the point you are willing to suffer for them. Can't get anymore Christ like than that.

Bump... here is how we arrive at our conclusions... I told you already.

 

[ShannonMcCatholic]

I just don't see how anyone can be intimately knowledgeable with Scripture and come to the conclusion that suffering can be something that allows us to grow in compassion for our fellow human beings. Reading through Paul's letters--I mean:
" Now I rejoice in my sufferings for your sake, and in my flesh I do my share on behalf of His body, which is the church, in filling up what is lacking in Christ's afflictions."

All that it lacks is our participation....

We are commanded to take up our crosses and follow Him

 

[benedictaoo]

I just don't see how anyone can be intimately knowledgeable with Scripture and come to the conclusion that suffering can be something that allows us to grow in compassion for our fellow human beings. Reading through Paul's letters--I mean:
" Now I rejoice in my sufferings for your sake, and in my flesh I do my share on behalf of His body, which is the church, in filling up what is lacking in Christ's afflictions."

All that it lacks is our participation....

We are commanded to take up our crosses and follow Him

Suffering has a uniquely Catholic identity, so of course it can't be seen in scripture.

 

[benedictaoo]

test

 

[MoNiCa4316]

Suffering has a uniquely Catholic identity, so of course it can't be seen in scripture.

what do you mean? it can be seen in Scripture..like in Paul's letters...Protestants just interpret those parts differently than we do

 

[benedictaoo]

what do you mean? it can be seen in Scripture..like in Paul's letters...Protestants just interpret those parts differently than we do

I was being sarcastic...

 

[MoNiCa4316]

I was being sarcastic...

oh sorry

see when I'm sarcastic I use all kinds of smilies

 

[benedictaoo]

oh sorry

see when I'm sarcastic I use all kinds of smilies

I'm kind of the dry humor type, in case you hadn't noticed.