Red Foxes Talking Circle

DarkNLovely · Dec 6, 2007

stranger said:
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]I see this is an entertaining topic for you my sweet [/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]..and yes, I believe Rev 7:3-8 shows that some tens of thousands of Jews [most now dead of course, but perhaps around a thousand or so alive now] will be take to spirit [after resurrection if they died] at the return of Y'shua...[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]That leaves the others [perhaps a larger number] made up of the descendants of the House of Israel, scattered in all nations, like the Jews, but now living as gentiles, never adopting Judaism ... [/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]the scripture talks of them re-emerging and making the Jews jealous[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Deuteronomy 32:21 I will move them to jealousy with those which are not a people; I will provoke them to anger with a foolish nation.[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]And Jesus himself says he was sent to this 'disappeared' nation, not to the Jews, which would seem strange until one sees that it is the House of Israel who convinces a remnant of Jews to acceept Y'shua as their Messiah...[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]the relevance to this thread is that all ,who are saved at Jesus' return who are now living as gentiles, must then be of the House of Israel ... no-one who isn't an Israelite is taken first, and the rest don't even start perfecting their love in trial until after the second resurrection, when God first gets the opportunity to baptise all flesh [Joel 2:28] ...[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]The implication then is that there is gonna be a billion and more highly deluded 'sinner xtians' [oxymoron, since all who follow Y'shua are saints - 2 Timothy 2:19 ] who are very disappointed and left gnashing their teeth at his return, and ironically they who called all other sinners 'unbelievers' get redeemed in the new earth, not know... and try as one might one cannot save them from their dogmatic beliefs in sinners .... is that ironic or what ? [/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]God really cracks me up, He says something and one goes away awhile, and then later it dawns what he was talking about ,leaves me creased up in hysterics sometime, awesome sense of humour our God [/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Yes its strange , but i have met only a few 'messianic Jews' who even believe the House of Israel exists, it seems most think it rejoined the Jews already, but scripture says otherwise :-[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Deuteronomy 28:64 And the LORD shall scatter thee among all people, from the one end of the earth even unto the other; and there thou shalt serve other gods, which neither thou nor thy fathers have known, even wood and stone.[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]So they didn't return to Judaism at all, God says so...[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]The only sense in which that can be true is that the Jews were scattered amongst the gentiles so that the gentiles benefit in knowing that they will be redeemed too [Rev 7:9-10], just long after the remnant of Israel , after the second resurrection... the thing that I don't get yet though is that it seems to imply that the reminder of Israel, who die sinners, are also redeemed only after the second resurrection....[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]As I see it, the only possible benefit is to know that one will be redeemed after death, and not in this world, if one is truly a gentile, but about one in a million gentiles is an Israelite by descent, and only living as a gentile... Y'shua has said who he will take and who not in Matt 7 and Paul confirms in 2 Timothy 2:19 that all sinners will be rejected ... one really does have to give up sin to follow Y'shua[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Well what it says to me is that ,since Israel is redeemed first to be the priesthood , as promised to Moses [Ex 19:6] ,that the gentiles are saved by the perfect ministry by Israel... a final humiliating irony to modern sinner religion ...nut you can't turn these people, I've tried fr some ten years now, they cannot see it even if you put it in front of them and spoon-feed it... religion has that much grasp on them ...[/FONT]

Is this the Two House Theory? Where they believe the Lost Tribes will come back? Sorry if I am totally off as I just got in on the convo!

GarnetRose · Dec 6, 2007

ummm, obviously most of that stuff has already happened

Ivy · Dec 6, 2007

stranger said:
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif] and then later it dawns what he was talking about ,leaves me creased up in hysterics sometime, awesome sense of humour our God [/FONT]

Yes, and being creased up is ever so much more fun than being ironed all boring & flat.

Ivy · Dec 6, 2007

I appreciate your post, GigageiTsula---I too do not emphasize Santa Claus at this time of year.

rwc109 · Dec 7, 2007

May I sit awhile?
I am fair tired from the journey
through timeless stars.
tired of tears
tired of lies
tired of false desires,
not born of Sun,

tired of darkness
tired of pride
tired of corruption
tired of your illnesses
tired of your gluttony
tired of your greed
tired of your guilt
tired of your imbalance
tired of your injustice
tired of your uncaring
tired of your sad grey eyes
tired of fears

I wish to end it all
who will give me a knife ?
- to slit both wrists -
and let the earth
drink my blood
as she thirsts for it -
and she is worthy of blood .

Then ye may fight on
if ye have a will to still...
if ye have stomach
for the killing fill
if ye have not found
the peace
that I put in your hearts -
if thou art dead
yet seems to live

Who will bid me enter then
to warm old bones by brightest fire
to breathe in Light
if aught be left
in this foul place

nay I am weary
I would end it all now
as many of my fairest children
turn their backs on you
so filthy black inside
in very heart I gave

Who then comes here
to tell the tale
of some who say
this is my fault ?

who will judge an old man
crippled, almost dead,
who lost his dear son,
other went astray ?

will any now accuse
me sore
and rant and rave
and go to war?

so
come
and
I will hear
thy poor complaints
against the saints.

I will hear right every one.

this be a place of Light
of Truth !

Bringst thou no darkness to me-
keep it out!
I cannot away with it .
No longer.

Show mercy please.

set apart YOUR darkness
and come bandy words
if must
see who it is
in whom ye trust
if I may bear you
in my niche

and if your words
I see be true
then I will grant
your fondest wish

talk then with me
if say thou wilt
see who has heart
to throw first stone

mercy the end
my misery in thee -
aim well !
let thy hatred grow
into dark
storm
if this thy will-

so,
end my life,
if
thou dost judge
me wrong and move
else I will hear
a fairer song of love

Who will come
and who will stay
when I take
all life away
in once-fair world

for it is naught....
but is for thee
who made it thus -

So wilt thee ask
me in to thee,
right in the fire
and let me talk
awhile of ALL
that now has been,
concurrent is,
and will be true?

Who is here now
who has not bowed
to light of Word
judgst cruelly yet
and not forgive?
Who bid me enter,
warm with kiss ?

Come I do ask
ye all to bid
none excluded
nothing hid -
I will have all
to say their bit
whether they choose
to love or nay
or curse me
and I turn away

have ye disgust
at my dark skin
or open doors
let me within

as thou wilt
so let it be
who asks me in,
who turns away

Who yet then is
so pure within
wilt look much deeper
than my skin

who pure can come
right close to fire
as I do -
nay the very heart -

beyond the chat
of pain and tears

beyond the deaths
of many years
cast in the earth,
returned to sky
the water burns
fire quenches not
seas boil and bubble
clouds seek,
who ventures up there
so to peek?
Fire from the air
who durst yet speak?

Wouldst thou then
still insult My fire
come forth and sully
pureness too?
I gave thee not
thy heart for this
yet come be brave
and face her no
if indeed thou darest to

yet my patience
do stand atime
of any can amuse with rhyme
stories here the few who love
who seek to be
with me above
will stave off timely
evil winds
the march of time
the march of death

show then those
few
who live their lives
in brighter hue
gentle as doves

then I would not
to End it All
'til I have seen
them
dance their dance

so who will set
the banquet here
a stranger feast
there ne'er has been

but if thou choose
not entertain
I will away
full swift and strong
and promise that
end ne'er be long
of doubt thou hast-
and after that
not long again
til' Lights are out

Who
be refined like gold
from dross
tried in furnace
bright and old?-
who else be blinded
by the Light?

Who stands this heat
of holy fire
if thou canst
stand an ugly face
sit by thy fire
atime....?

Who talks first here ?
Who lost their tongue?
Who sit aside awhile?
Who very young?
Will I have answer from all hearts?
And know which ones
did learn to smile?
The answer's here
yet I not know
who welcomes me?
Who shuts the door?

Gazelle · Dec 7, 2007

Thanks for inviting me . . . GOD Bless ya'll . . .

stranger · Dec 7, 2007

Gazelle said:
Thanks for inviting me . . . GOD Bless ya'll . . .

Hello sweetie,
welcome
your hostess will be along any second
take a seat by the fire , look around , or ask any questions on your mind

tell us your fears, joys, tears, dreams, love, whatever , once you feel at home

So glad you came ... lots of stuff to read on this looong thread , or just get happy cos' we're celebrating the build up to calling on the name of the one we love ....

sit and pray with us for his grace upon all here and those all around the world who love God and thus stand for equality, sharing, faith in love, peace, One God of all men... and a whole lot of other good things...

Awesomely appropriate attire sweet one.... once you've settled down a bit, kick off your shoes and let your servants here wash your feet ,if you like this sort of thing, in honour of your coming to see us ....

stranger · Dec 7, 2007

DarkNLovely said:
Is this the Two House Theory? Where they believe the Lost Tribes will come back? Sorry if I am totally off as I just got in on the convo!

Hi sweetie,
so glad to see you, I cannot say how much

If you read my 'Blog' [just click on the 'Blog' sign next to my character]
then you'll get some idea of my current beliefs, but the idea here is to be completely open, put everyone's ideas in a big melting pot and see what we come up with, but to do ALL the discussion by PM at first or make a new 'Club' in this Christian Clubs area if it is a big issue ... that way we keep this place for celebrating an bliss of prayers and rejoicing in God, rather than any disagreements here which somehow spoil the atmosphere, thus you can PM anyone to get their 'counsel' on things and let them know where and how you want to discuss thing,and no-one expects any particular set of beliefs from you, no-one judges you by belief or race, no-one wants to force their counsel upon you, but will give it if asked and never expect you to necessarily follow it unless yo agree ... these i put forward to the Circle as basic rules for open belief until we have all truth by the process of purification already begun here...

Do not forget that if you disagree with ANYTHING here that you have EQUAL rights with all your fellow servants of all men in this place [though sadly not so outside YET ... LOLOL? ... did anyone expect equality on an 'xtian' site ?

]

C'mon, is there anyone here who doesn't believe in equality, sharing, peace, love of God , justice,... all the things missing so much outside ...

So that's why we want to make this place pure in the end and invite Y'shua ['Jesus'] down to take us if he finds our love perfected by then... we all want this i think, so we can just use this place to help each other get there, and also to bring in all the isolated down-trodden,
meek, quiet, loving ,dearly beloved , yet bedraggled, tearful, fearful, etc souls in the world WHO YET LOVE One GOD of Love [by whatever name they use]....

We surely need to discuss the two houses of the ancient nation of Israel extensively because the Bible is all about them and many know little of them

So perhaps we could start our discussion by PM , of you will , or whatever other way you choose , until we see how much we agree , but I would say that the two Houses definitely exist in scripture and have very different roles... and Y'shua was sent only the the House of Israel , this is not contentious because it is he who says so[but if you disagree, all words i this thread can be changed by the author of them subject to discussion OUTSIDE ... this is not meant as dogma, merely as counsel, none is required to accept anything they do not like, none is bound here to any creedal package , since it is some time yet before those few who are taken have to be perfect in love [but this is the place for it] :-

Matthew 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

It is worth pointing out too that St Paul states that the new covenant is with those whose fathers broke the old covenant [Heb 8:8-9]

so let us discover what each other thinks so far... if you should like, read my blog and see my current thoughts, elsewise direct you questions [one by one please] at my PM slot.. and please direct me to any scripts you wish to bring to my attention on this important issue which is perhaps too deep for some for now [except Ivy, whom you might well like to PM about it too ... you can send Pms to more than one person [up to five at a time] , so one can have a discussion of any kind in private without interrupting the flow of love and prayers and rejoicing , anything 'positively loving... here

Once ideas get integrated by mutual counsel then they can be presented here as working ideas, but still left open, once two or three agree that is very desirable to do, so as to share with everyone, but seek agreement outside the circle, bring only agreement here and be ready to delete ideas if the WHOLE group does not accept them... we want to bring everyone up to the same speed and move along TOGETHER , no-one left in the cold, everyone warmly loved and appreciated ... everyone thus serves everyone else, the only master id God , and Y'shua his on, whom we hope to get their verdict on our work, once we have gotten unity of perfection of love here ... a worthy task set by Y'shua... so now is a great time to get going... build the love here... this is the place to love everyone

stranger · Dec 7, 2007

Does anyone else here see deep spiritual significance in the Song 'Blackbird singing in the dead of night' by the Beatles?

GigageiTsula · Dec 7, 2007

Welcome Gazelle and rcw109, to my Talking Circle! I am Red Fox, and it is an honor to meet you and have you both within this circle. We are family here, united in a common cause for reconciliation and peace among all of G-d's colorful children. Welcome!

Red Fox

stranger · Dec 7, 2007

GigageiTsula said:
What Child Is This?

MERRY CHRIST_MAS!

What Christmas is not about: Santa Claus.

Santa Claus is a myth.

Telling children Santa Claus is real is a lie.

There is no excuse for telling children he is real.

Or to attribute to him supernatural powers as if he were a god.

Or to tell children he will bring them toys only if they are 'good'.

It is about the birth of Christ.

"For Unto Us a Child Is Born. For Unto Us a Son Is Given."

Let us not forget that Christ came to earth to die for our sins.

I agree with Red Fox on this , When Y'shua was born the shepjherds were watching their sheep by night ... well sheep are kept inside in teh winter in the Holy Land , no shepherd and no sheep in the fields...

It rather proves that Y'shua was born in the Spring , the Lamb of God born with the lambs of the sheep ...

Xmas rather shows it's pagan origins by the fairies in the tree and lights /candles representing the fertility spirits thatsupposedly keep evergreen tress, holy, mistletoe, alive through the Winter ... people used to celebrate it vbecause they believed that the harvest would fail next year if they did not worship thesee spirits ... this has nothing to do with Y'shua or his birth... and has also become horrendouly commercialised, not to mention the over-eating in a world where 50,000 , mostly little children, who Y'shua loves, DIE on evert day of the year in misery of starvation ... 50,000 will die again on Xmas day, the tragedy is far greater then 911 amnd no-one stops it , no-one cares much except a handful of saints doing the tiny ammount of work they can... but they need help from EVERYONE who loves Y'shua ... it makes the idea of goodwill to ALL men on Xmas day into an empty hypocrisy, something we should surely avoid , does anyone disagree [PM me if so and we'll talk more, not here though]

How could anyone who loves God stuff their faces with food when 50,000 other s are starving to death ??? I just don't get some people ... where did they lose sight of love, lose sight of God ?

GigageiTsula · Dec 7, 2007

I am in need of prayer for my lower back. It is hurting badly this morning and it is a hinderance to say the least. I am asking for prayer for my husband, Three Hawks, while he is away on business. Please pray for his protection and physical, emotional and spiritual well-being. I am asking for prayer for each of my children, too. I ask for them to be covered in your prayers. Their names are Soaring Hawk, Shadow Fox, Talks With Horses, Thundering Wolf, Butterfly Dances, Dancing Feathers, and my baby daughter, Little Feather. And the date of the passing of my son, Little Buffalo is vastly approaching. I find myself with a heavier heart this time of year. It will be four years the second of January since I miscarried him. And I find myself in dire need of strength, comfort, and peace during this time.

Red Fox

virtualgirl · Dec 7, 2007

I will pray for you, Sister.

GigageiTsula · Dec 7, 2007

Thank you, my sister and friend.

GigageiTsula · Dec 7, 2007

Where are you, my friends,
4Everloved,
FaithfulWife,
Cristianna,
Criada,
CherokeeHippie,
Ephesians4,
IXOYE5
KTskater,
Moonkitty,
pwj
Live4HimandLoveOthers

Your absence saddens me and I pray you are well. Please let me know how you are doing.

Red Fox

wolfman544 · Dec 7, 2007

stranger said:
Does anyone else here see deep spiritual significance in the Song 'Blackbird singing in the dead of night' by the Beatles?

Sadly, I have never heard it. Only Blackbird song I know is be Third Day.

GigageiTsula said:
I am in need of prayer for my lower back. It is hurting badly this morning and it is a hinderance to say the least. I am asking for prayer for my husband, Three Hawks, while he is away on business. Please pray for his protection and physical, emotional and spiritual well-being. I am asking for prayer for each of my children, too. I ask for them to be covered in your prayers. Their names are Soaring Hawk, Shadow Fox, Talks With Horses, Thundering Wolf, Butterfly Dances, Dancing Feathers, and my baby daughter, Little Feather. And the date of the passing of my son, Little Buffalo is vastly approaching. I find myself with a heavier heart this time of year. It will be four years the second of January since I miscarried him. And I find myself in dire need of strength, comfort, and peace during this time.

Red Fox

Praying for you my friend

stranger · Dec 7, 2007

GigageiTsula said:
I am in need of prayer for my lower back. It is hurting badly this morning and it is a hinderance to say the least. I am asking for prayer for my husband, Three Hawks, while he is away on business. Please pray for his protection and physical, emotional and spiritual well-being. I am asking for prayer for each of my children, too. I ask for them to be covered in your prayers. Their names are Soaring Hawk, Shadow Fox, Talks With Horses, Thundering Wolf, Butterfly Dances, Dancing Feathers, and my baby daughter, Little Feather. And the date of the passing of my son, Little Buffalo is vastly approaching. I find myself with a heavier heart this time of year. It will be four years the second of January since I miscarried him. And I find myself in dire need of strength, comfort, and peace during this time.

Red Fox

I will pray as you ask sweet one,

and if I might suggest something to help your back, a broadish belt around the waist, or a tied sash, fastened so that the front is lower than the back... and make sure your posture when sitting is with your lower back curved forward, you tummy pushed forward ... so the natural S-shape of the back is conserved, a cushion or rolled up item, positioned in the small of the back helps a lot for some people, having much the same effect.

Sweet one , do not worry for any 'stillbirths' and 'miscarriages', they are VERY SPECIAL to God ....just those souls God could not bear to become tainted by this world, so the start their next life very speciial indeed, not in need of forgiveness, but pure in the righteous new earth... you will have the pleasure and honour of not only meeting there, but seing Little Buffalo shine and love so many , bringing many people to love them very quickly... trust the Great Spirit, He is wiser than us on who can take this evil world and who cannot...

I mlost a dear sister when she was but 5 years old and she was the most loving person I have ever know, full of grace and love ,even so young, and teh great Spirit just could not bear to se her corrupted, she was so beautiful hat He took her to free of this place... be at peace, Little buffalo is well loved and cared for by tha Great Spirit, allow Him to adopt one of your children to take some of the load off you and to delight Him with the purity of one that is uncorrupted ...

Be at peace
throuh your love of the wisdom of the Great Spirit
trust Him with care of you child, He is better able than us of it
You will meet properly and admire Little Buffalo in your next life, be at peace that he is safe...

stranger · Dec 7, 2007

wolfman544 said:
Sadly, I have never heard it. Only Blackbird song I know is be Third Day.

Black bird singing in the dead of Night
take these broken wings and learn to fly
all your life,
you were only waiting for this moment to arise
blackbird fly, ....blackbird fly
Into the depths of the dark black night

Is this not the 'night' , that of growing 'darkness' of sin in this world...?

Are not the darker and coloured- skinned [as-it were 'black'] races not predominantly downtrodden by those of fairer skin ? [If one might allow poetic licence of the broad generalisation?]

are the coloured races then not more meek on the whole than the dominant fair skinned races beacuse they are largely downtrodden and abused?

Will Jesus not be looking to the meek to 'fly' with him at his return?

Are not even the meek mostly sinners still, unable to fly, as in having 'broken wings'

Is the return of Jesus not the 'moment' that the song refers to ?

Is it not then something we all wait all our lives for , to 'fly' with Jesus when he comes?

Is it then not going to be predominently coloured-skinned folks of all nations whom Jesus will take because they are meeker in general and easier to bring to perfection of love than those races who bully others for a 'rich' living in the world?

Are the 'rich' then not the poor ,because they fail to love the poor?

Are the poor then not the rich ones when they love the rich, even thouh they get tarmpled in the mud eery time for doing so?

Is this not a broad generalisation , with some very deep truths about fair-skinned nation with a terrible historic record for destroying other peoplesand taking their land and livelihoods ...and then going on destroying the very land they stole , through pollution, over-exploitation, corruption and greed?

wolfman544 · Dec 7, 2007

stranger said:
wolfman544 said:

Sadly, I have never heard it. Only Blackbird song I know is be Third Day.

Black bird singing in the dead of Night
take these broken wings and learn to fly
all your life,
you were only waiting for this moment to arise
blackbird fly, ....blackbird fly
Into the depths of the dark black night

Is this not the 'night' , that of growing 'darkness' of sin in this world...?

Are not the darker and coloured- skinned [as-it were 'black'] races not predominantly downtrodden by those of fairer skin ? [If one might allow poetic licence of the broad generalisation?]

are the coloured races then not more meek on the whole than the dominant fair skinned races beacuse they are largely downtrodden and abused?

Will Jesus not be looking to the meek to 'fly' with him at his return?

Are not even the meek mostly sinners still, unable to fly, as in having 'broken wings'

Is the return of Jesus not the 'moment' that the song refers to ?

Is it not then something we all wait all our lives for , to 'fly' with Jesus when he comes?

Is it then not going to be predominently coloured-skinned folks of all nations whom Jesus will take because they are meeker in general and easier to bring to perfection of love than those races who bully others for a 'rich' living in the world?

Are the 'rich' then not the poor ,because they fail to love the poor?

Are the poor then not the rich ones when they love the rich, even thouh they get tarmpled in the mud eery time for doing so?

Is this not a broad generalisation , with some very deep truths about fair-skinned nation with a terrible historic record for destroying other peoplesand taking their land and livelihoods ...and then going on destroying the very land they stole , through pollution, over-exploitation, corruption and greed?

Click to expand...

Hmm, could be

wolfman544 · Dec 7, 2007

while we are on the topic
I like this song, Broken Tree, by Six Feet Deep.
I don't expect anyone else to be familiar with it, so here
"maybe the limbs of a broken tree will heal themselves in time
or maybe the limbs from that broken tree will petrify......
hard as stone.
as I peel back the layers I find things I never knew were there
and as I listen to my prayers I hear myself confused and scared.
this broken tree feels like it's part of me somehow controlling
my destiny.
has the seed of a broken promise decided what I will be?
and I, left to myself can only hope to survive.
and I, left to myself can only slowly die.

how long will I drift? would I not know the difference?
have I weathered so long that I've been shaped by this ocean?
will the legacy live on in me? like father, like son?
I don't believe that what I am is determined by what
precedes me.
and now I have to realize that the past is not my future
and in Christ I'm a brand new creature.

and I, left to myself can only hope to survive.
and I, left to myself can only slowly die.
but given grace I know I can,
given grace I can learn to forgive.
in the face of all of this.
given grace I can truly live."

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