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Recrucifying Christ

Discussion in 'Christian Scriptures' started by Emerald518, Jun 13, 2018.

  1. Emerald518

    Emerald518 New Member

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    In Hebrews 6:4-8 it talks about people falling away from the truth of the Gospel and says that those who do this crucify Christ again. I know that this passage speaks about those who have heard the Gospel and have been convicted by it, but still choose to harden their hearts and turn away from the truth rather than obey and be saved. I also understand, when it says that doing so puts Christ to public disgrace, that it is calling to remembrance the fact that what Christ had to go through was very disgraceful, shameful and humiliating, but I'm still having trouble fully understanding how that all fits together.
     
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  2. JIMINZ

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    Re-read it, that is not what it says.
     
  3. mukk_in

    mukk_in Yankees fan Supporter

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    Those verses refer to apostates, i.e., people who were once with Christ and shared in the Holy Spirit but then turned away from their faith. Examples would be Saul, Judas, Satan and so on. Its important to remember that these people were once saved. I don't think it refers to those who are yet to accept the gospel. That's my opinion, and I'm not starting a debate. Peace in Christ :).
     
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  4. brinny

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    Are you saying that Saul, Judas, Satan were "once saved"?
     
  5. brinny

    brinny everlovin' shiner of light in dark places Supporter

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    Based on what? Scripture?

    It would be crucial to be clear on what you are saying about Saul, Judas, Satan Re: "people who were once with Christ".

    Amen?
     
  6. JIMINZ

    JIMINZ Well-Known Member

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    Did you really say Satan was in Christ, and that Saul (Paul) fell away?
     
  7. mukk_in

    mukk_in Yankees fan Supporter

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    No, no. Satan, the fallen Archangel and King Saul. There seems to be some misunderstanding.
     
  8. brinny

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    Your quote:
    Satan? Satan was a "person" who was "saved" once?

    Where is it written that Satan was a person who was "saved"?

    Just seeking clarity.
     
  9. LittleLambofJesus

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    That is tough to explain. It appears Hebrews is written more for the benefit of OC Hebrews.

    Jesus and the Apostles were sent to the Jews to get them away from OC Judaism and Hebrews appears mainly to be focused on that, along with their Priesthood and the Temple ordinances.
    The word word sacrifice is used 7 out of only 10 times used in the NT.
    Sacrifices is used 11 out of only16 times in the NT

    Hebrews 9:26
    He then would have had to suffer often since the foundation of the world; but now, once at the end of the ages, He has appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself.

    Hebrews 10:
    8 Previously saying, Sacrifice and offering, burnt offerings, and offerings for sin You did not desire, nor had pleasure in them” (which are offered according to the law),
    26 If we deliberately go on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no further sacrifice for sins remains,
    29 How much more severely do you think one deserves to be punished who has trampled on the Son of God, profaned the blood of the covenant that sanctified him, and insulted the Spirit of grace?

    2 Peter 2:21
    It would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness than to have known it and turned away from the holy commandment passed on to them.

    Romans 2:
    23 Who in law are boasting through the transgression of the Law, the God thou are dishonoring
    24 'For the name of the God because of ye, is being blasphemed in the nations' according as it has been written.
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    [Psalm 74:10]

    Reve 16:11
    And they blaspheme the God of the heaven out of the miseries of them, and out of the sores of them, and not they reform out of the works of them

    Here is an interesting commentary on it:

    Hebrews 6:6 and then have fallen away--to be restored again to repentance, because they themselves are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting Him to open shame.


    6:6 Seeing they crucify.--The apostasy was indicated by a single word; these added clauses describe the depth of the fall, whilst they explain the futility of all effort towards recovering the fallen. Both the writer and his readers knew well what was involved in "falling away" in such a case as this.

    To go back to Judaism implied an acceptance of all that Jews had said and done against the Son of God, a return to the bitter hate cherished by the falling nation against the Crucified, a repetition in spirit of all that Pharisees had done, and without the palliation of ignorance; for the highest evidence for Christianity--that of true and deep Christian experience--had been given to them.

    Again, the words used clearly describe a continuing state. Not the punishment for a past act, but the hopelessness of an existing state, is brought before us here. It is therefore of those who, with a distinct conviction of the divine mission of Jesus, have deliberately joined His foes, unite in denouncing Him as a "deceiver" (Matthew 27:63), rejoice in His shame, and thus "for themselves crucify a second time the Son of God," that the writer says, "It is impossible to renew them again unto repentance."
     
  10. yeshuaslavejeff

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    Only the Father in heaven through Jesus can reveal how that all fits together,
    and necessarily protecting you with His Mercy when He does reveal this,
    because
    so many all around you have and are continually re-crucifying Christ daily with the already gained result of being condemned because of their unbelief.
    Think of the enormity of that, and trust the Father to wait until it is HIS TIME to reveal this to you - so you are not utterly devastated and overwhelmed with the implications and the grief and the sorrow you will feel when He Grants you His Understanding.
    He does know perfectly what is best, and what is best for you, including what time for you to know anything..... so let it rest in His Hands -
    let your whole life rest in His Hands, all the time, every day, as He Pleases.
     
  11. this is not my name

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    how do they crucify Christ again to their own harm? is it saying that every time they try to repent, they nail Him to the cross again in their minds? thus incurring more and more judgement on themselves? like, if someone partakes of communion in an unworthy manner? because whenever they partake in an unworthy manner, they are drinking judgement on themselves. Is it similar? or is it saying that they recrucified Christ once, when they went into sin? like, when Esau was searching for repentance, or the inheritance, (I think he was looking for repentance) and he found no room for repentance, if he did that every day for a year, as a christian, begging God for forgiveness, and not finding the ability to repent, do they just collect a massive amount of wrath? putting Jesus Christ to an open shame every time they ask God to forgive them?
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    and then have fallen away, to restore them again to repentance, since they are crucifying once again the Son of God to their own harm and holding him up to contempt.
     
  12. Ttalkkugjil

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    Simply put, if a believer falls away from salvation in Christ, they cannot come back into salvation in Christ.
     
  13. JIMINZ

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    Maybe if you took into account just who Paul was actually writing this book, it might help you to understand, it does not apply to Gentile Christians, he was trying to get them to understand there was a difference between their following the Law and being forgiven year after year and their following Christ and receiving their Salvation, (ONCE).
     
  14. Mark51

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    This is true of Christian “partakers of holy spirit” who fall away by sinning-at least-willfully against the holy spirit, and thus harden themselves against ever repenting. Jesus Christ mentioned such sin to the Jews who maliciously misinterpreted the operation of God’s holy spirit through him. (Matthew. 12:31, 32; compare Hebrews 6:4-6; 10:26-31) Hence nothing could be gained and the opportunity would be wasted by resurrecting such ones to life in the system of things that is to come under God’s kingdom.

    Due to a lack of faith, Christians may begin to drifting away. It requires no effort; but to commence “drawing away” involves the taking of definite action. Though we may still be ceremoniously petitioning God in an endeavor to retain His favor, we may yet begin to become rebellious against Him by taking backward steps. This was the attitude and course taken by the fleshly Israelites as a nation right down to Malachi’s time. (Malachi. 3:7) Considering what the apostle Paul wrote, he is not speaking about a weak faith that has resulted from insufficient knowledge or incorrect understanding. Rather, he quotes the warning, “Do not harden your hearts.” That is what the fleshly Israelites did in the wilderness, although they had there seen Jehovah’s “works for forty years,” having enjoyed his constant miraculous provisions and protection. (Hebrews. 3:7-11) Therefore, all true Christians today need continually to help and encourage one another so as to avoid taking backward steps due to becoming “hardened by the deceptive power of sin.” We should exhort one another to keep our faith alive by works of faith. Remember, Abraham acted obediently in faith under severe test and thus “came to be called ‘Jehovah’s friend.’”-Hebrews 3:13, 14; James 2:21-26.

    We should take these warnings to heart. Loss of faith may begin with our allowing ourselves to take things for granted, showing a spirit of indifference, almost imperceptibly drifting away. One false step or attitude easily leads to another until we have gone too far, and we find we have fallen away to the point of no recovery. Before that happens Jehovah will no doubt subject us to some discipline, which Paul talks about in this same letter and which counsel we should wisely accept. (Hebrews 12:5-11) Of course, only Jehovah God and Christ Jesus can determine if a person has reached the point where it is impossible for him to be revived again to repentance.
     
  15. DM25

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    This is often considered the scariest verse and most misunderstood verse in the bible. But it is not scary at all when you take it in context.. A tip for studying the bible, when reading the verse, always read the passages before that verse and even the book as a whole in general to know what the verse is referring to and what it's talking about. It's easy to make our own assumptions when not taking a verse in context but simply taking the verse itself as it is at face value.

    Hebrews 6:4-8 isn't about losing salvation. It's saying not to go back to dead works of the law. It's describing how Jesus sacrificed himself once, it's impossible for him to do it again. It is simply saying to trust in him rather than the law as he was the final sacrifice. As you read the verse before, it is talking about repentance from dead works and into faith in Jesus. Because many levitical people at the time wanted to hang on to the dead works of the levitical law at the time.
     
  16. DM25

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    That's completely wrong. It's not possible for someone to lose salvation, nor is it possible for someone to be past the point of repentance. This is a misunderstood verse a common false interpretation when people don't take the context.
     
  17. concretecamper

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    4 For as touching those who were once enlightened and tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Spirit, 5 and tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the age to come,

    Those who are Baptized in which all sins and temporal punishment due to sin is wiped away.

    6 and [then] fell away, it is impossible to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

    We sin, we incur judgement and temporal punishment due to sin. We cannot be re-baptized and be washed clean of sin and all temporal punishment.

    Although granted the awesome gift of the Sacrament of Baptism (and its effects), one chooses to sin, and this sin was why He was crucified.
     
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  18. this is not my name

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    thanks.
     
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