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~! Recovering from a broken spirit due to fornication !~

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I don't know how some people let it happen, and I don't know why others let it happen over and over again... but the thing is this: It happens that when a Christian falls into the trap of fornication and they induldge due to their edge to do so, they then would feel guilty, shameful, embarrassed, feel like God will never even listen to them if they prayed to Him, or that He will never allow them to become His children in any way ever again, their spirit is what we can call "broken" because of their act of fornicating....

What advice can you give to someone who feels they have fallen so short of the Grace of God because they had fornicated? Would you tell them that God can give them a second chance? Also, what advice would you give this/these poor creature(s) on avoiding the trap of fornicating?
Obviously scriptures should be quoted, but preferable also personal experiences shared.

God bless you mightily...
 

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Define fornicating. If you aren't married or attached and weren't cheating I wouldn't tear yourself up over it. Sex is a natural and beautiful thing. Also if you "fornicate" again and if you didn't already I would suggest using protection. I don't think god would have created you with sexuality only to damn you for experiencing it. That's my two cents take it for what it is worth.
 
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Here is my advice, (this is a message a received from Ps. Allen's daily God's Word devotions):

BLESSED ARE THOSE WHOSE LAWLESS DEEDS ARE FORGIVEN, AND WHOSE SINS ARE COVERED; BLESSED IS
THE MAN TO WHOM THE LORD SHALL NOT IMPUTE SIN. ( ROMANS 4:7-8 *NKJV )
Dear (put your name here),
The Apostle Paul once said; "FOR WHAT I DO IS NOT THE
GOOD I WANT TO DO; NO, THE EVIL I DO NOT WANT TO DO
--THIS I KEEP DOING. WHAT A WRETCHED MAN I AM!
WHO WILL RESCUE ME FROM THIS BODY OF DEATH?"
( ROMANS 7:19 & 24 ) After all, to remain sinless was a struggle
for him, as well as, the rest of the Apostle's! For sin has always
been a struggle for mankind ever since the days of Adam and Eve!
Therefore when we slip and sin it is very important to ask our
Heavenly Father to forgive us. For it is written; IF WE CONFESS
OUR SINS, HE IS FAITHFUL AND JUST AND WILL FORGIVE US
OUR SINS AND PURIFY US FROM ALL UNRIGHTEOUSNESS.
( 1 JOHN 1:9 ) Thus we become cleansed and forgiven from our
past sins, and that includes all of them!
After all it is written; "COME NOW, LET US REASON
TOGETHER," SAYS THE LORD. "THOUGH YOUR SINS ARE
LIKE SCARLET, THEY SHALL BE WHITE AS SNOW;
THOUGH THEY ARE RED AS CRIMSON, THEY SHALL BE
LIKE WOOL." ( ISAIAH 1:18 )
So (put your name here), just be the very best person that you can be, and
if you slip and sin once in a while, do not think that God doesn't
love you anymore. For no one is perfect, however once there
was One, sinless and blameless, and filled with love, and they
Crucified Him.....
 
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This may sound funny, but seriously, to anyone who desires to pursue righteousness but are strugling with their "earthly sexual desires", and everyone else, this thread is not to promote sexualy impurity with the mind that says "I will ask for forgiveness later after I've done this". God may be an ever understanding God, but He cannot be mocked, so don't even fool/deceive your yourself.

Peace and Grace unto you...
 
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God may be an ever understanding God, but He cannot be mocked, so don't even fool/deceive your yourself.
Who's mocking god? I merely stated my opinion which is apparently different than yours. Any time sexuality is repressed, whether by cultural or social institutions, it finds a way out usually in some perverted form. Take the problems in the catholic church for example. In fact child abuse is quite prevalent in most christian denominations. http://www.csmonitor.com/2002/0405/p01s01-ussc.html
 
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lovechild05 said:
This may sound funny, but seriously, to anyone who desires to pursue righteousness but are strugling with their "earthly sexual desires", and everyone else, this thread is not to promote sexualy impurity with the mind that says "I will ask for forgiveness later after I've done this". God may be an ever understanding God, but He cannot be mocked, so don't even fool/deceive your yourself.

Peace and Grace unto you...
Maybe the mods could move this elsewhere? One of the fora in Recovery perhaps?
 
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Green Man said:
I will never understand how christians can take something as natural and beautiful as sex and turn it into a vile, disgusting abomination.

Was thinking the same thing :thumbsup:

Sex isn't all bad. Certainly there are circumstances that affect my judgement of it, but none of that was given in this case.
 
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Green Man said:
I will never understand how christians can take something as natural and beautiful as sex and turn it into a vile, disgusting abomination.
Sometimes guilt is a good thing. Esp with all the stds and out of wedlock child births.
 
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lovechild05 said:
I don't know how some people let it happen, and I don't know why others let it happen over and over again... but the thing is this: It happens that when a Christian falls into the trap of fornication and they induldge due to their edge to do so, they then would feel guilty, shameful, embarrassed, feel like God will never even listen to them if they prayed to Him, or that He will never allow them to become His children in any way ever again, their spirit is what we can call "broken" because of their act of fornicating....

What advice can you give to someone who feels they have fallen so short of the Grace of God because they had fornicated? Would you tell them that God can give them a second chance? Also, what advice would you give this/these poor creature(s) on avoiding the trap of fornicating?
Obviously scriptures should be quoted, but preferable also personal experiences shared.

God bless you mightily...

I would tell that person that they should accept that they have done what they believe to be a sin and confess that believed sin to God to be absolved. Otherwise, there is a great potential for doing a lot of long-term damage when it comes time to be sexually active with your spouse. Beating yourself up for comitting a sin is worse than the original sin comitted to begin with. It is a sign of pride in God's eyes. :sick:

I personally do not believe fornication in the manner of sex outside of a marriage is bad, since there are many levels of marriage. It is possible to be married in the eyes of God but not legally defined married. While having lots of sex with many partners you aren't at least in some manner or another attached to is certainly undesirable, it's certainly not comparable to say 2 people who are in a long term and exclusive relationship having sex. There's no point if your situation is the latter in beating yourself up anyway. God sees into our hearts and into our souls and God knows what your intentions and if they are pure. There are certainly lots of times where God acknowledges your union with your partner even if you're not married. :thumbsup:
 
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lovechild05 said:
I don't know how some people let it happen, and I don't know why others let it happen over and over again... but the thing is this: It happens that when a Christian falls into the trap of fornication and they induldge due to their edge to do so, they then would feel guilty, shameful, embarrassed, feel like God will never even listen to them if they prayed to Him, or that He will never allow them to become His children in any way ever again, their spirit is what we can call "broken" because of their act of fornicating....

What advice can you give to someone who feels they have fallen so short of the Grace of God because they had fornicated? Would you tell them that God can give them a second chance? Also, what advice would you give this/these poor creature(s) on avoiding the trap of fornicating?
Obviously scriptures should be quoted, but preferable also personal experiences shared.

God bless you mightily...
Yes, God does forgive all sins! There's no doubt about it. The act of having sex outside of marriage is not outside God's purview of forgiveness. The fact that the person in question feels guilty about it is a good thing. First, it is a sign that indeed the Holy Spirit is at work within them, as one of the roles of the Holy Spirit is to convict us of sin. Second, such guilt is a motivating factor to keep us out of trouble. God wants to keep us from such things as AIDS, etc., and that guilt motivates us to cease our sinful behavior so that we are not hurt by it.

Sin does hurt our relationship with Jesus Christ, but if we have already made that decision to confess our sins and ask Jesus into our hearts and lives, we have nothing to worry about - we are still saved. Sure we are to avoid sin, but if we goof up (we all do), we don't fear automatically going to hell over it.

For more info on what it means to be a Christian, please visit this website.
 
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I don't know how some people let it happen, and I don't know why others let it happen over and over again... but the thing is this: It happens that when a Christian falls into the trap of fornication and they induldge due to their edge to do so, they then would feel guilty, shameful, embarrassed, feel like God will never even listen to them if they prayed to Him, or that He will never allow them to become His children in any way ever again, their spirit is what we can call "broken" because of their act of fornicating....

What advice can you give to someone who feels they have fallen so short of the Grace of God because they had fornicated? Would you tell them that God can give them a second chance? Also, what advice would you give this/these poor creature(s) on avoiding the trap of fornicating?
Obviously scriptures should be quoted, but preferable also personal experiences shared.

God bless you mightily...

Reason '584' why I will never be a Christian. Too much unnecissary guilt over nothing.
 
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lovechild05 said:
(...) It happens that when a Christian falls into the trap of fornication and they induldge due to their edge to do so, they then would feel guilty, shameful, embarrassed, feel like God will never even listen to them if they prayed to Him, or that He will never allow them to become His children in any way ever again, their spirit is what we can call "broken" because of their act of fornicating... (...)

Hmm. Okay, here's my personal experience. I bring this up because I hope it will add something to think about.

When I was a Christian, I can remember feeling exactly what you describe in your first paragraph. And I can tell you, for me, it was caused by something far deeper than simply "fornicating".

To use your words, my spirit was not this broken because of simply being sexually active. It was broken because for years, even before my conversion, I had been shamed for having a sexuality at all (among other things). In addition, I had been treated as if every mistake I made and every misdeed or wrong thing I did was, in fact, completely unforgivable, and made me one of the most worthless pieces of human refuse on the planet. And I don't mean huge, painfully bad things like grand theft or assault, I mean things like spilling my milk at dinnertime or forgetting to feed the dog.

I was raped by a boyfriend when I was 16. The same family attitude carried on when I was punished and vilified for it. No one believed me, and the shaming was simply reinforced with a vengeance. It took on a religious overtone because my mother had converted to Christianity shortly before the rape happened. But really, I think the tone of it was simply a detail. I had always been shamed for sex-related issues.

So my first thought at your post was that there's something deeper going on with whoever is thinking they're this horrible for having sex. I mean, this sounds like something much greater than just guilt, it sounds like deep, deep shame and self-loathing. And I guess my first piece of advice would be to head to a counselor and explore why they feel so incredibly ashamed of sex.

I suppose another piece of advice would be to couple that counseling with speaking to religious leaders they trust about the issue, maybe to gain some kind of perspective on what the Bible actually says about sex and sexuality.

I might also add that I saw a preponderance of the aforementioned attitude towards sex and sexuality in the church experiences I did have while I was Christian. It was one of the things which ultimately led me away from Christianity. So if the person in question hopes to remain within the faith, learning and adopting a healthier attitude about sexuality within the larger context of its place within Christianity is going to be important.

Sorry if this is a bit rambly; I'm kind of tired. :sleep:
 
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