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Reconciling the Genesis and the past

Winston87

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One of my major stumbling blocks with Christianity is trying to figure out how to reconcile the creation in genesis with the known history of our world? How do you accept the story of Genesis when there was hundreds of millions of years prior to to Genesis, in addition to other humans before Adam, other civilizations, and obviously violence and death that isn't supposed to exist yet?
 
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There was just another thread started on a closely related question here: http://www.christianforums.com/t7879479

I'll repeat what I wrote on the other thread with some addition:

The Genesis creation stories are myths. Meaning, they are not literal factual accounts, but rather stories written to convey certain theological truths. For example, one truth from the stories is that unlike the surrounding cultures with multiple deities who were chaotic or worse, here in Genesis we meet one God who creates everything, orderly & good.

The same is true for some other early accounts in Genesis, such as Noah's Ark.

There is a vocal segment that asserts these stories are literally true, & a lot of pseudo-history/science comes into play. I'm at the point where I just ignore that segment & try to direct others to look into the matter for themselves.
 
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Hello Winston, this is a good question and one that I do not have a certain answer for. I am of the opinion it is possible it might be literal fact or it might be myth, and we can not know that unless we know where the information originated. If the information originated with Adam and Eve and transpired generations then there are questions about why historical and archaeological evidences indicate a conflicting timeline. But those can be answered with assumptions that the bible does not give information about. On the other hand if it is fictional then there are other questions, for example, why did the author go to such lengths to make it seem factual? I have in mind the genealogy giving detailed account of time passed from Adam to Moses, and then to king David.

So because of the possibility that either might be true, I sometimes consider it to be factual and other times consider it to be fictional. This gives me the ability to gain from considering it both ways.

You have asked a question based on the assumption that it is fictional:
If Adam, Eve, the apple, serpent, etc. Are symbolic, then what was the event that allowed sin into the world? And why were women punished more severely by god if Eve eating the apple didn't actually occur?

I remember the scriptures describing that Eve was convinced she would gain wisdom that would give her an advantage similar to God, so she began to eat the fruit that would give her knowledge of good and evil. When we consider what knowledge is, it is an understanding based on information, that equips us to more accurately manage actions to achieve what we desire. So to do this, to actually obtain and apply (which is the action described by symbolically taking fruit and eating it), it requires that information about good and evil is aquired, the effects of it assessed, evaluated for value, tests performed to ensure a reliable understanding of how it behaves. The scriptures show that after Eve began eating it, she gave some to Adam and he began eating it too. I am drawing deliberate attention to the point that they began eating it, of which there is no indication they stopped eating it, when viewed symbolically this way.

What I gather about the curse is more of a change of perception rather than a change of the operation. Adam no longer saw the world as a garden where he could walk around and eat fruit from any tree, but a place where he has to toil and labour to produce his food, and that thorns and thistles would be a constant plague. The difference being the way he looked at his daily duties. Eve in a similar way began to resent child birth, because it was painful and not so miraculous as it should be, since the one causing it to her would be demanding and sinful and would likewise learn about good and evil, to apply that knowledge against her sometimes.
 
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Thanks for the reply, and the link as well.

If Adam, Eve, the apple, serpent, etc. Are symbolic, then what was the event that allowed sin into the world? And why were women punished more severely by god if Eve eating the apple didn't actually occur?

Without a conscience, sin is a meaningless word.

The arrival of sin in the world represents the stage in human evolution that we developed a conscience, IMO.
 
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One of my major stumbling blocks with Christianity is trying to figure out how to reconcile the creation in genesis with the known history of our world? How do you accept the story of Genesis when there was hundreds of millions of years prior to to Genesis, in addition to other humans before Adam, other civilizations, and obviously violence and death that isn't supposed to exist yet?

Here's the Nutshell answer, Winston:

Take one of several alternative views that are available, other than the one proffered by Ultra-Literal Fundamentalists. The one I favor is the 'Literary View' (which was already touched upon briefly by GrandandPeace in post #2). Essentially, the author of Genesis was addressing the polytheistic cosmogony (i.e. origin account) of surrounding cultures of the time, claiming instead that just one God made all. We are to take this Genesis account as revelation and theology rather than literal history; in other words, it is the metaphor by which we are informed by God and His earliest people that the human race is fallen and separated from God.

Here are some scholarly examples, if you wish to read them:

http://www.asa3.org/ASA/PSCF/1984/JASA12-84Hyers.html

http://biologos.org/uploads/projects/Lamoureux_Scholarly_Essay.pdf


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One of my major stumbling blocks with Christianity is trying to figure out how to reconcile the creation in genesis with the known history of our world? How do you accept the story of Genesis when there was hundreds of millions of years prior to to Genesis, in addition to other humans before Adam, other civilizations, and obviously violence and death that isn't supposed to exist yet?

One way to reconcile the dilemma that you have described is by reevaluating the creation narrative. John H. Walton offers some theories and facts in his books Ancient Near Eastern Thought and the Old Testament: Introducing the Conceptual World of the Hebrew Bible, The Lost World of Scripture: Ancient Literary Culture and Biblical Authority, The Lost World of Genesis One: Ancient Cosmology and the Origins Debate, and The Lost World of Adam and Eve, Genesis 2-3 and the Human Origins Debate.


On the topic of mythology, it is suggested by Walton that the mythology of the ANE (Ancient Near East) is actually their science. The purpose of science, as we apply it today, is to uncover the causes, mechanics, and reasons for the events that happen in our world. That is the purpose of the so called mythologies in the ANE. The purpose of these mythologies was to explain why things happened and what or who was responsible for them. When their common cognitive environment is employed in these explanations, we see them as mythology but they are science to those in the ANE.



Walton reminds us that it is imperative to understand that the ANE has similar accounts of creation and the flood because of the common cognitive environment. Also, the idea that the events in weather, earthquakes, floods, and those other things that we call forces of nature are always attributed to the gods in the ANE. There was no such thing as “natural events” in the ANE and everything that happened in their world was attributed to the gods.


Walton uses comparative studies in most of his research and this method of study does bring with it a fair amount of criticism from some scholars in the Christian community. However, Walton offers the reevaluation of Genesis 1 as a creation narrative of purpose and order and not one of material creation. Walton does not deny that God did create all that exists materially, he just denies that Genesis is a narrative concerning material creation.



When one states that Genesis is a narrative of the creation of order and not the material, it releases the tension between Bible believers and the world of science. It also allows for humanoids to have been in existence before God chose Adam and Eve to be His co-regents of order. The sin was the desire to bring order according to mankind’s wisdom and to overthrow God’s system of order. Mankind has been involved in bring order to the cosmos on his own terms ever since. Five paragraphs are not sufficient to preview five books but if you would start with The Lost World of Genesis, you will find that Walton addresses your specific concerns.
 
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Without a conscience, sin is a meaningless word. The arrival of sin in the world represents the stage in human evolution that we developed a conscience, IMO.

Hi Steve, if not for fact of the universality of sin, that might be an option we could consider. However, since EVERYONE (save One) who has ever lived has sinned, there must be a 'root' cause and that's what we need to discover.

The Bible gives us the answer, it lays the blame at the feet of our progenitors. But if the Bible is wrong and it was not their fault after all, then there is only one other Being who can be held accountable for the condition we all find ourselves in (and that would make Him, for starters anyway, the Author of sin).

Yours and His,
David
 
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