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Partial Preterist Only Recognizing False Christian End-time Doctrine...

BABerean2

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Without a single exception, EVERY teacher of repute among Dispensationalists in general would TOTALLY agree with you in this statement. The ONLY Dispensationalists that teach such unscriptural ideas are radial fringe people like John Hagee.

Dr. David Jeremiah

Hal Lindsay

Dr. Tommy Ice

and many others repeat the doctrine taught by Dallas Theological which claims the "Church Age" ends at the Pretrib Rapture of the Church.





“The dispensationalist believes that throughout the ages God is pursuing two distinct purposes: one related to the earth with earthly people and earthly objectives involved which is Judaism; while the other is related to heaven with heavenly people and heavenly objectives involved, which is Christianity.”

Lewis Sperry Chafer, Dispensationalism (Dallas, Seminary Press, 1936), p. 107.



Chafer states that, ‘Israel is an eternal nation, heir to an eternal land, with an eternal kingdom, on which David rules from an eternal throne,’ that is, on earth and distinct from the church who will be in heaven.”

Lewis Sperry Chafer. Systematic Theology. 1975. Vol. IV. pp. 315-323.




John Walvoord, another prominent voice of Dallas Theological stated…

"...it is an article of normative dispensational belief that the boundaries of the land promised to Abraham and his descendants from the Nile to the Euphrates will be literally instituted and that Jesus Christ will return to a literal and theocratic Jewish kingdom centred on a rebuilt temple in Jerusalem. In such a scheme the Church on earth is relegated to the status of a parenthesis.”

John F. Walvoord, The Rapture Question.1979, p. 25

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The New Testament teaches that the Gentile branches were grafted in among the Israelite branches in Romans chapter 11.

Paul teaches that salvation comes by being grafted into the Olive Tree, which is a symbol of the New Covenant Church.

Jesus said there would be one flock and one shepherd. John 10:16


The covenant in Romans 11:27 is the New Blood Covenant of Jesus Christ "now" in effect, based on Hebrews 8:6.
It is not waiting on a future fulfillment.
If it is not the New Covenant, then what is it?


Rev 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

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You are confusing two entirely different things, and ASSUMING that we teach things we do not teach at all.

Having been a deacon in an evangelical Bible church and having been taught the doctrine from a graduate of Dallas Theological during Sunday-School and having read Dr. Dwight Pentecost's book "Things to Come" and the notes of the Scofield Reference Bible and Dr. Charles Ryrie's book "Dispensationalism", I am not "ASSUMING" anything.

Great Errors in Dispensational Eschatology: Pastor John Otis

 
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The fact remains, that you are accusing us of what you see as the results of our doctrines, rather than of what we actually say. And you have clearly demonstrated that you do not understand what we say.

Really...

 
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So When God Told Noah, "after seven days I will make it rain forty days and forty nights" (Genesis 7:4) your claim is that the Bible teaches it should be interpreted in light of 2 Peter 3, and rendered this way: "after 7000 years I will make it rain 40,000 years"?
 
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well hebrews 1:2 does say christ appeared or spoken in the last days and hebrews 9:26 does say christ died at the end of the age. past tense in both instances. then there's the matter of matthew 10:23 & matthew 16:28 & 1 corinthians 10:11 too.

look up the greek

oh okay they were all false prophets deuteronomy 18:22 *winks*
 
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the tribulation is speaking on behest of the persecution of the saints.

persecution (tribulation verses 5-24) first event read the books of acts
wrath and redemption second event

if you recall the persecution and 1st roman-jewish war were contemporary events nero caesar died in 68 a.d.

what about matthew 24:34 did christ say partially fulfilled or all fulfilled?
 
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How can we identify which views are not correct, in an effort to get back to what was taught by Christ and His Apostles? The number one key is that it takes the focus off of Christ in any way.
That one is absolutely crucial.
 
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just remember what jesus said in matthew 5:17-18 about the abrogation of the law?

in jesus' day, "the law" was an abbreviation for the whole old covenant including psalms, proverbs, and all the prophets.

paul didnt abrogate the covenantal curse in acts 13?

in 1 corinthians 14:21-22, paul speaking on the law quotes isaiah!

in romans 3:10-19, paul speaking on the law quotes psalms, proverbs, isaiah, and jeremiah!

oh and what about matthew 11:13? luke 24:25-27? luke 24:44-47?

luke 21:22 luke 21:32
 
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according to matthew 5:17-18, if heaven and earth are the genuine articles and not covenantal in nature (see genesis 37:9; isaiah 51:15-16; jeremiah 31:35-36; isaiah 65-66) then everyone is still under the mosaic law until the dissolution of the universe happens.

and christ did not fulfill the law and prophets at the cross alone.

he did not fulfill his resurrection and our resurrection at the cross.
he did not receive his glory at the cross. luke 24:25-27
the gospel was not preached to all nations at the cross. luke 24:44-47
the holy spirit was not poured out at the cross. acts 2:16-21
the covenantal curse was not fulfilled at the cross. acts 13

christ did not come to destroy the law but to fulfill it. all of it.

what christ is saying in matthew 5:17-18 is this, nothing in the old testament will fail before the passing of the law. hebrews 8:13 & hebrews 10:9. christ's words will be eternalized.

the cross did not destroy the law but the cross is written in law.
 
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