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Recognizing Christians

How do you feel about people who can't be recognized by their love of all people?

  • People who can't be recognized by their love of all humanity are not Christians.

  • People can still follow Christ if they love most of humanity, but are working to love everyone.

  • Some Christians are not very old spiritually and have not yet learned to love all humans.

  • The Bible is sometimes right and sometimes wrong, and is wrong about this matter.

  • Your interpertation of the Bible on this matter is incorrect (and I'll explain why).

  • Though many religious texts touch on this matter, I don't believe that any of the are infalible.

  • The Bible is wrong on this matter, and so all of it must be wrong.


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Jesus said that His followers would be recognized by their love for all humanity:
John 13:34-45 said:
I give you a new commandment: love one another. As I have loved you, so you also should love one another. This is how all will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.

However, there are often times where someone identifies as a Christian (a follower of Jesus the Christ) but does not recognizably seem to love all people. So my question is: would it be fair to say that such people are not followers of Christ?

The only other option that I can see is that Jesus and the Bible was wrong. So, which is it? Is the Bible wrong, or are self-identified "Christians" who can't be recognized by their love for all humanity not actually followers of Jesus the Christ?

Does someone need to be perfect about following all of Christ's commandments (all two of them) and other Biblical rules in order to actually be a Christian?
 

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sounds like a hippy plot to subvert christianity to me
Let's face it, Jesus was a hippie. He had long hair, walked everywhere, taught about peace and love, and challenged the elders of His religion. *wink*

Okay, I'll try not to derail my own thread too much.
 
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sounds like a hippy plot to subvert christianity to me

Well, what do you think Jesus was? He quit his job, left his home, became a nomad, preaching about love and how the current government was corrupt, hung out with petty criminals and the less desirable people in society... he was the original hippy.
 
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you know, all those filthy hippies ever talk about is "love love love"

are we talking about Christians or are we talking about drug addict hippie protesters?

just kidding, I like the fact that you added options. options make the world go around. But No Matter How Perfect your pole becomes, a truly brilliant spin artist can still make it look flawed...

I picked option (next to last)
 
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My own view on love is that the best kind of love is unconditional and attachment-free,

so that it isn't love of something, but is rather the simplest kind of love.

Rather than Love Something, thru meditation, soul-searching, and so forth, you come to feel the heart expanding to the point of limitless expanse...... the reason the potential for expanse becomes limitless is nothing pulls for or against the love, and so it doesn't need a stimulus to be generated, it just keeps on growing.

i also find it short-sighted to just love the humans. most mammals, and possibly other animal life forms too, have an emotional capacity
 
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I think Christ wants us to love everybody, but our humanity makes that difficult sometimes.

Being a Christian is not dependant upon how we love people. Being a Christian is believing and having a relationship with Christ. However, Jesus said He wants us to show the world we are Christian by our love. Like when someone's first response to a situation is to love. Or when someone chooses to let go of anger and hatred in order to love. It can be natural or a conscious decision, but we are supposed to choose love.

Supposed to...but not all Christians do what we are supposed to, unfortunately. We are mostly works in progress.
 
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Your poll has plenty of options, but I couldn't choose any of them.

I think an individual's capacity for love has to do with who they are as a person, not what religion or belief system they adopt.

If I encounter someone who treats others with love and compassion, I am not going to assume they are Christian, I am going to assume they are simply a loving and compassionate individual. Some of the Christian posters here are lovely people, and some are truly awful - yet all are followers of Christ, as far as I can tell.

So when asked about whether one can recognize a follower of Christ by whether or not said follower is loving, I am a bit puzzled. To my mind, someone will either be loving or they won't, based on their own nature and inclinations, and following Christ has nothing to do with it.
 
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Near as I can tell there are several different types of "Christians."

  1. Christian number one actually thinks and takes the teachings of Jesus and his or her pastor into account while living their life. However, they make decisions as if they live in the twenty-first century. The point is that they have free will and they use it.
  2. Christian number two doesn't think. They make decisions as if they were living in the eighth century... or the first. While they might actually have free will they do everything they can not to use it. Or... at least to avoid admitting they ever use it. They let desert nomads from 2 to 4 thousand years ago make their decisions.
  3. The last type of Christian identifies themselves as being a Christian because their families are Christians. When someone marries or dies they visit the local church. Perhaps on Easter or Christmas they also are seen in or near a church. They like to think they uphold Christian values and they might vote for Christians. However, many of the other type of Christians would suggest they are no more Christian than I am. Still, without them the Christian voting blocks lose significant support.
I don't see how any of these groups care all that much about loving others.
 
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One pastor I heard explained it like this: "Being a Christian is about loving God and loving others." So essentially, when you say that people who claim to be Christians but don't love others, you can make the assumption they're not Christians.

At the same time, Christianity is more of a lifestyle than anything else. It's something that we have to adapt to instead of something that is natural for us. For God, it's perfectly natural because that's who He is. For us, yeah, we're part of God's image, but since the Fall happened, we're pretty much always going to be one step back. Sort of depressing if you think about it, but at the same time, it is something that, at least for me, is enjoyable and exhilarating goal. I enjoy caring for others and appreciating what I have--makes things around me much more brighter.
 
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Jesus said that His followers would be recognized by their love for all humanity:


However, there are often times where someone identifies as a Christian (a follower of Jesus the Christ) but does not recognizably seem to love all people. So my question is: would it be fair to say that such people are not followers of Christ?
I have been told that I couldn´t recognize TrueChristianLove even if it jumped in my face - being a non-believer and all.
So maybe the bible writers silently (because they felt it went without mentioning) meant "recognized by other TrueChristians"? :)
 
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Jesus said that His followers would be recognized by their love for all humanity:


However, there are often times where someone identifies as a Christian (a follower of Jesus the Christ) but does not recognizably seem to love all people. So my question is: would it be fair to say that such people are not followers of Christ?

The only other option that I can see is that Jesus and the Bible was wrong. So, which is it? Is the Bible wrong, or are self-identified "Christians" who can't be recognized by their love for all humanity not actually followers of Jesus the Christ?

Does someone need to be perfect about following all of Christ's commandments (all two of them) and other Biblical rules in order to actually be a Christian?


A Christian is somebody that has a personal relationship with God the Father, through Jesus the Son. A "follower of Christ" is a disciple of Christ in that we follow in His footsteps, trying to live a life that exemplifies who He is. It is a very difficult thing, this "following", and as others have said before me, sometimes our human nature gets in the way, but more than that, because of other forces that have a sole goal of destroying God's plan. The best way to destroy God's plan is to cause those who serve Him to fall, because in this act, Christians bear a false witness of the Heavenly Father's love for mankind, and His desire to save us all. This is what keeps others from accepting the gift of Salvation through Jesus Christ.

In this temporary existence can sometimes exist circumstances that make it easier to fall toward a fleshly response. Even more so, the recognition that we are not battling against our own flesh and blood, but instead against rulers of darkness and spiritual forces that attempt to interrupt God's plan for humanity on both an individual level and a global level.

In short, we are strangers in this land. We are alienated from societies that do not accept Christ, and these are growing, while the faithful are diminishing. Much of this is due to power struggles within our own. We fight. We gossip. We backbite. We sneak, peek, battle, tear down, destroy, and this is because we forget who we are, and who we are actually battling. We make one another our worst enemy when in fact we should be embracing one another and standing together against the forces that are attempting to tear us down. Why do we do this? To lift ourselves up. Where does this come from? It comes from the first being to sin against God... the one who felt he could be as great as God, and who, after his fall, has continued to lure humans into believing the same.

This, I believe, is why Jesus commanded us to love one another. He knew what was coming for us. He knew that love, charity, forgiveness, and compassion would aide in healing.

When we fall for the allure of "greatness", we are become like the man who lived at the bottom of the well. He stood on top of the shoulders of others who lived there with him. They supported him, held him up, and cared for him, but all he could see was that he was the one closest to the sky.

It is often Christians who need the most reminders of His words. These scriptures might help to explain, better than I ever could:

For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. Ephesians 6:12

“If the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first. If you belonged to the world, it would love you as its own. As it is, you do not belong to the world, but I have chosen you out of the world. That is why the world hates you. Remember the words I spoke to you: ‘No servant is greater than his master.’ If they persecuted me, they will persecute you also. If they obeyed my teaching, they will obey yours also. They will treat you this way because of my name, for they do not know the One who sent me." John 15:18-21


Often times Christians get wrapped up in who is the greater Christian among us. Who is better? Who is closer to God? Who should be asked to step down? Who should be asked to depart? Who should be pointed out as the one lacking humility and compassion?

In Luke 22:25-27 and Matthew 20:25-28 the Lord Jesus taught us about what exemplifes true greatness and it is through His example that we can bring ourselves back to the reality that exists in being a "follower" of Christ.


In short: To follow Christ means to admit being less than Him and requiring His compassion, forgiveness, and bloodshed, in order to be lifted out of the darkness in this world.


But Jesus called them unto him, and said, Ye know that the princes of the Gentiles exercise dominion over them, and they that are great exercise authority upon them.

But it shall not be so among you: but whosoever will be great among you, let him be your minister;
And whosoever will be chief among you, let him be your servant: Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many. Matthew 20:25-28
 
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I have been told that I couldn´t recognize TrueChristianLove even if it jumped in my face - being a non-believer and all.
So maybe the bible writers silently (because they felt it went without mentioning) meant "recognized by other TrueChristians"? :)


Quatona, my friend, if you recognize love in the words of Jesus Christ, then you recognize "true Christian love." :hug:
 
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Quatona, my friend, if you recognize love in the words of Jesus Christ, then you recognize "true Christian love." :hug:
I doubt that true Christian love is much different than love (which is a good thing I may add). But TrueChristian(TM) love is a whole other story.
 
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The problem is how some people define "love." For example, my kids think I don't love them because I don't let them play the wii for 5 hours straight. Some people think Christians aren't loving because they are always preaching and rebuking and trying to save others from hell. Tough love is true love.
 
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Jesus said that His followers would be recognized by their love for all humanity:


However, there are often times where someone identifies as a Christian (a follower of Jesus the Christ) but does not recognizably seem to love all people. So my question is: would it be fair to say that such people are not followers of Christ?

The only other option that I can see is that Jesus and the Bible was wrong. So, which is it? Is the Bible wrong, or are self-identified "Christians" who can't be recognized by their love for all humanity not actually followers of Jesus the Christ?

Does someone need to be perfect about following all of Christ's commandments (all two of them) and other Biblical rules in order to actually be a Christian?

What other biblical rules? Christ's two commandments are just the Ten Commandments summed up.

And I don't know for sure. I'm sick of all the "hypocritical" Christians who follow all these rules that aren't necessary, and anyone else who doesn't isn't good enough for their time. And no one is perfect. So we can't be expected to be perfect all the time and act in love all the time, even if that's what we're supposed to do. We're people, just like you. So please stop the discrimination. :p
 
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