Recent PreClovis Discoveries and the Implications for the Evolution Theory.

Jackie777 · Dec 13, 2005

Hueyatlaco (Mexico) spearpoint found below a lava layer dated at 250,000BP.

Jackie777 · Dec 13, 2005

http://forums.atlantisrising.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=8;t=000161;p=1

chacha333 · Dec 14, 2005

Hi Jackie.

Yes, I do find a lot of validity in the hypotheses that the Clovis Complex

has it's origins in the Solutrean culture from France and Spain.

Many other respected Archeologists feel it's a valid hypotheses to continue

testing:

1.

" A few archeologists, this author (Collins) included, have begun to look

farther west into Europe for the origins of Clovis and find some very

provocative similarities between certain Upper Paleolithic cultures of

Western Europe and Clovis. These Paleolithic cultures include the

Aurignacian (40,000-20,000 B.P.), Solutrean (20,000-16,000 B.P.), and

Magdalenian (16,000-11,000 B.P.)."

Interpreting the Clovis Artifacts from the Gault Site

by Michael B. Collins and Thomas R. Hester

[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=-2]Texas Archeological Research Laboratory

01 December 2004

2. " [/size][/font]For the last couple of years, two prominent archaeologists, Dennis

Stanford and Bruce Bradley, have stressed a strong similarity between the

Solutrean and Clovis on technological grounds. G. L. Straus, an expert on

Solutrean culture, previously wrote in American Antiquity that a direct link

to Clovis paleoindian culture is impossible. End of discussion. Most the rest

of us are getting used to the shock. After all, if the Solutrean culture were

indeed the ancestor of Clovis, taxonomic protocol would compel American

archaeologists to relegate Clovis to a branch of the European Upper

Paleolithic. There's a lot at stake."

Towards Resolving Clovis Origins

by Chris Hardaker

June 2001

Center for the Study of the First Americans

Do you happen to have a photo of the spearpoint found in Mexico?

I'd love to see it!!

Thanks for your input Jackie.

chacha333 · Dec 17, 2005

Apparantly, another top dog in the

archeological field has

PreClovis evidence from Central Texas forthcoming:

VITAE

MICHAEL B. COLLINS

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"...[/font]Stratigraphic, Chronometric, and Lithic Technological Evidence for PreClovis at Wilson-Leonard, Texas. Current Research in the Pleistocene..."

chacha333 · Dec 24, 2005

What happened to all our debaters...I guess Christmas break has everyone

scattered, ey?

Merry Christmas to all!!

Hope to resume this discussion when everyone gets settled back in.

Later !

chacha333 · Feb 10, 2006

From: xxxx
Date: 02/09/06 11:11:55
To: Charlie Hatchett
Subject: Latest thoughts

Hello Charlie:

Sorry for the slow response; I have been a bit tied up.

I have attached jpgs of the material you sent. These are relatively high magnification in reflected light, so as to see opaque materials.The

composition was verified in the SEM. The soft material contains translucent grains of silicone material in a matrix of lead. The dark grains are

sand.

Your sites do look man-made, but the age is the question. I tend to think that there might have been some metallurgy going on there , but it was

likely historic. Another question, have you been able to show that the blow holes connect to the pits?

I will show your latest artifact pictures to my archeologist friend, but he has said that he is not an expert on Texas archeology.

xxxx

www.preclovis.com

chacha333 · Feb 10, 2006

Dear Mr. Hatchett: Very interesting photos of the artifacts, especially those you have identified as Clovis type. We have in our area a "paleo-Indian" culture that is 9000 years B.P., dated by radiocarbon dates on shorelines of former shorelines of ancestral Lake Superior. These artifacts are fairly well crafted, resembling much more recent material, but made of local cherts derived from the Gunflint Formation, rather than trade material seen in more recent materials.
The dating of your deposit is valid as far as it goes, but there is the question as to whether the artifact-containing alluvium actually did cover the furnace area after its function. There are sophisticated means of determining this, but they are not available from me. If there were pre-Clovis iron production going on, this would topple all sorts of ideas and, in fact, would preceed iron production in Europe. I think at that point others would interested in applying sophisticated dating methods to the site.
But to the point, if you are agreeable to sending a specimen of the metals to me, I can see what they are quite readily. I need only very small samples, ca. 1 gram. If you wish, I have a loan agreement that I can get to you.

xxxx

www.preclovis.com

chacha333 · Feb 10, 2006

From:
Date: 01/11/06 10:21:15
To: Hatchett Talent Agency
Subject: Re: Possible Prehistoric Furnace and Metal Working

Dear Mr. Hatchett:
I had a look at the photos on your website. A suggestion - it is always good to provide an indication of scale directly in the field of the photo.
As far as the ideas about the site are concerned, it certainly look as if pyrite was roasted there. Howver, to produce iron from pyrite (or any other oxidized form of iron), one would need a reducing agent, presumably charcoal. This would be rather emphemeral in an ancient site, so there may be no trace of it. The idea that there is a blow-hole as suggested in you photo is interesting, as that would be necessary in order to produce the temperature required to reduce the iron. Although the picture seashell cannot be identified from the photo, if it is indeed a seashell, it, along with a lot more, could provide a fluxing agent for removal of impurities, chiefly silicon. It would not be a source of manganese. All this suggests that the site is plausibly an iron reduction factory of sorts. I caution you that it is by no means definite, as more investigation would certainly be required to confirm this.
The big question I have at the moment is the establishment of a pre-Clovis age. How did you establish this? I this context, the site could be an early, but historic factory for the recovery of sulfur, which could be readily recovered by roasting of pyrite. This is a necessary component for production of black powder. Hence, firm establishment of the age is very important.
If you have detached a small bit of the metal or metal (the lead-like material). These can be readily identified as to both composition and texture with our facilities here. What would you like to do?
I will speak to my friend from San Antonio, an archeologist who is part of our geoarcheology program and a specialist on the Southwest.
Sincerely,

xxxx

----- Original Message -----
From: Hatchett Talent Agency <chatchett@austin.rr.com>
Date: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 12:24 pm

Subject: Possible Prehistoric Furnace and Metal Working

Hi xxxx.

Thanks for taking the time to review these recent finds from

Central Texas.

Here's a link with photos of the finds: www.preclovis.com . Just click

on the first link concerning smelting of pyrite to make iron and steel.

I would appreciate any advice you can offer concerning analyzing

these materials.

Thanks once again,

Charlie Hatchett

www.preclovis.com

chacha333 · Mar 2, 2006

Update from Texas Historical Commission:

Kay Clarke wrote:

Hey Charlie:

I just spoke with you and I am sorry that I had not read your

e-mail yet. I have been in El Paso for a week and I had over 50

e-mails to read and I had not gotten to yours.

See you on Tuesday at 9:00a.m. at the Red Barn. Thank you

for notifying us of a good find.

Kay Clarke

Charlie Hatchett wrote:

Hi Kay.

Excellent. I would love to take you for a tour of the site, and

get your interpretations.

Have you had a chance to view my photo gallery online? If not,

just click on the link below.

The most intriguing finds to date are what appear to be furnace

structures associated with stone tools of an unknown type.

Found within this furnace is a SEM confirmed lead/Silcone metal

compound which was found adhered to the furnace

wall. There's also evidence of roasting pyrite, and smelting iron

to make ornamental pieces. A sample (1 square inch) of the

furnace wall was removed and sent to Dr.

Steve Kissin to test for fire exposure, and for chemical analysis

to detect evidence of smelting activities. We should know

something about that with a couple of weeks.

Let me know when's a good time for you, and I'll make myself

available.

Thanks for your interest Kate,

Charlie Hatchett

PreClovis, Clovis and Archaic Artifacts

1-877-252-2351/ 1-512-453-6178 ( Austin)

charlie@preclovis.com / www.preclovis.com

-------Original Message-------

From:

Date: 02/23/06 10:53:44

To: Charlie@bandstexas.com

Subject: Fwd: THC Stewards

You may get more help than you want, but you can trust them.

And they are usually pretty knowledgeable. Good luck, Charlie!

Frank

-----Original Message-----

From: kay clarke

To:

Sent: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 14:03:44 -0800 (PST)

Subject: Re: THC Steward

Hi Charlie:

My name is Kay E. Clarke and I am a steward in Williamson

County . I live near Liberty Hill My phone # is I have been

out of town for a week and I just read youre-mail. I would love

to see the collection and be of service . Please contact me

Kay E. Clarke

harristjr wrote:

I'm looking for the Steward for Williamson County. I have a firend

there who hassome interesting finds and he needs some

assistance in recording and understanding what he has found.

It's a possible smelting furnace from ...who knows?

Maybe you can tell him. Give me a phone number and email and I

will put him in touch with you. His name is Charlie Hatchett. You

can contact him here. Tell him Frank Harrist sent you so he'll

know where you got his name. I think you'll find this

very interesting. I'm a far piece from him so I can't get there,

due to my work schedule. Let me know how all this works out.

Charlie Hatchett

PreClovis, Clovis and Archaic Artifacts

1-877-252-2351/ 1-512-453-6178 ( Austin)

charlie@preclovis.com / www.preclovis.com

Here's an update from a previous thread.

Kay Clarke, a steward with the Texas Historical Commission,
visited the site as planned.

To say the least, she was mystified. We cleaned out both
structures (I've kept them filled in to avoid being disturbed), and
Kay proceeded to GPS the site, and take a number of photos of
the smelting structures. She then took the data and photos
directly to TARL to get a site number assigned. Dan Potter, the
regional archeologist, has reviewed the photos and is scheduled
to visit the site this week.

Here's a few photos I took as Kay took her photos:

http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.com/iron%20artifact%2037a.jpg
http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.com/iron%20artifact%2039a.jpg
http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.com/iron%20artifact%2038a.jpg
http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.com/iron%20artifact%2040a.jpg
http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.com/iron%20artifact%2041a.jpg
http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.com/iron%20artifact%2042a.jpg
http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.com/iron%20artifact%2045a.jpg
http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.com/iron%20artifact%2046a.jpg
http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.com/iron%20artifact%2047a.jpg
http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.com/iron%20artifact%2049a.jpg
http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.com/iron%20artifact%2045a.jpg
http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.com/iron%20artifact%2026a.jpg
http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.com/iron%20artifact%2028a.jpg
http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.com/iron%20artifact%2029a.jpg
http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.com/iron%20artifact%2030a.jpg
http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.com/iron%20artifact%2031a.jpg
http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.com/iron%20artifact%2032a.jpg
http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.com/iron%20artifact%2033a.jpg

Again, many thanks to Frank Harrist for pointing me in the
right direction, and getting the site the attention I think it
deserves.

www.preclovis.com

chacha333 · Mar 13, 2006

From: Charlie Hatchett
Date: 03/12/06 22:40:08
To: KAY CLARKE-THC; packrat2@flash.net
Cc: Dr. D. Clark Wernecke; Dr. Darrell Creel; Dr. Mike Collins; Dr. Steve Kissin- Lakehead University-Ontario; mwaters@tamu.edu
Subject: Re: Furnaces

Hi Kay.

Good to hear from you. I'll get in touch with Rick, and show him

the furnaces...glad to do it!

Have you heard anything from the regional archeologist or the
xxxx guys?

I did receive the book...very interesting write up on

xxxxx. I still plan on ordering the 5 volume version.I'm

sure it has a wealth of information that would be

applicable to at least some of the strata here. Do you know if

xxxx was dug down to bedrock?

I talked to one of the property owners (land directly adjacent to

the site-North of the creek bed). It's been in their family since

the mid 1800's. He told me the creek used

to run directly over the furnaces, but 2-4 feet higher.

Apparently, when development accelerated, the erosion brought

the creek bed down to the alluvium strata. At that point,

apparently the creek took the path of least resistance around

the alluvium. He wasn't real

happy about the rerouting, because it's chewing up the southern

boundary of his land.

Aerial photos from 1985, 1995, and 2003 show the progression

around the alluvium nicely.

I know it might sound ridiculous, but these furnaces very well

may be Clovis or preClovis.

Thanks for your interest Kay, and look forward to meeting up

with you soon.

Charlie Hatchett
Hatchett Talent Agency
1-877-252-2351/ 1-512-453-6178 ( Austin)
charlie@bandstexas.com / www.bandstexas.com

-------Original Message-------

From: kay clarke
Date: 03/12/06 20:59:00
To: Charlie Hatchett
Subject: Furnaces

Hi There Charlie:
Hope that you received the book that I sent you by now and hope that you can get some good info from it. I received a reply from another steward in WM Cty, Rick Jarnagin, and he wants to see the furnaces. I would like for him to see the site for another opinion in the field. I am excited about the site and I am tied up for a trip to West Texas for 2 weeks. If he e-mails you or will you e-mail him please and show him the site. Everyone can help us to define the nature of these holes. I have not forgotten but it is unfortunate I must go on the road a while.

Talk to you soon. Kay

chacha333 · Mar 14, 2006

From: Charlie Hatchett
Date: 03/14/06 06:49:36
To: KAY CLARKE-THC
Subject: Re: Furnaces

Thank you very much Kay.

I e-mailed Rick Jarnagin, and whenever it's

convenient for him, we'll go down and check

out those crazy furnaces. I'm glad ya'll have

found interest in them...maybe I'm not as crazy

as I thought I was becoming...lol!!!

Oh, the xxxxx 5 volume set is out of

press. Any idea where I might find a used

copy to loan or buy?

Chat with you soon Kay.

Charlie
-------Original Message-------

From: kay clarke
Date: 03/13/06 20:30:14
To: Charlie Hatchett
Subject: Re: Furnaces

Charlie:
No I have not heard from anyone but they will. They are very good to help and follow up. And I do believe that the site was dug to bedrock. I will stay on this and get some satisifaction one way or the other. But I will be in West Texas until April 3-4. Talk to you soon. Again Thank you for showing the furnaces Love Kay

chacha333 · Mar 21, 2006

chacha333 · Apr 23, 2006

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Charlie,

This sounds like it could be a very important site. I don't want to tell you how to do things, but you need to disturb it as little as possible so that there will be nothing that could cause people to dispute the credibility of the site and of you yourself. If this is a totally new thing as it seems to be then there will be plenty of people trying to nitpick it to death because it challenges long-held theories. "The powers that be" in the archaeological community don't like things that upset the status quo as I believe you touched on in an earlier message. So if the site is mis-handled in any way they will have ammo to use against it. Meticulously record everything you move from the site. Surface collecting isn't as critical as far as recording as is anything you have to dig to find. The more important the site the more critical this is. I'm just warning you that some pro's and university types may take issue with your techniques. As I know you are aware, clovis sites are rare, so this IS an important site. I belatedly congratulate you on this important find and I thank you for allowing me to contribute what little I am able to. Yes, I do plan to try and make it out there as soon as possible. I'm very excited about it too! Keep up the good work, Charlie.

Frank

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Hi Frank.

Thanks for the direction...I need it!!

I'm definitely still learning.

I did dig one test trench in the beginning of the find, but have

since left it to fill back in. I did this to establish there was a firm

strat below the rubble. When I hit hard strat, I let it fill back in.

And, of course, I dug the furnaces out. Since then, I've done no

digging whatsoever...only surface collecting. I've also picked

artifacts out of the alluvium covered by the topsoil where the

whole strat is exposed next to the creekbed...but only when

their already sticking out. I do that right away after rains (both

collecting the surface finds and picking the exposed artifacts out

of the exposed strat next to the creekbed) to keep the place

looking like it's nothing special, and secondly to study what has

eroded up (if not, they would be washed downstream after a

couple more strong rains).

What other things can you recommend to care for the site until

it gets pro attention?

I've quit digging, and don't plan to dig anymore. I'm removing the

artifacts as they surface from erosion. A couple times a week I

clean the area of any trash that might have washed down. I've

been stacking the surface limestone rocks that I believe are

molds all in one area to prevent them getting stepped on.

Anything you can recommend to help keep the validity of the

site is very welcomed. I'm basically just in a preservation mode

at this moment.

Did you get a chance to look at the photo of the second alluvial

deposit downstream. These alluvial deposits are the same as the

one at the ***** Site. The top soil is eroding and

exposing these deposits because the ***** area is

growing so fast. It appears this creek, way back in the past,

flooded big time...washing all kinds of rubble down from the hill

country.

Thanks for all your direction, encouragement, and interest Frank.

I just pray we can keep these structures in reasonable shape

until pro researchers can study them and the surrounding area

thoroughly.

Later,

Charlie

www.preclovis.com[/FONT]

chacha333 · Jun 23, 2006

http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.com/Hueyatlaco Stratigraphy.jpg

Here's the latest dates reported from A&M and Berkeley concerning the

Hueyatlaco and El Horno sites, 40 km East of Mexico City.

Note, the El Horno site has unifacial tools found in situ, sandwiched between

Xalene ash dated at 1.3 million (reverse polarity has been observed in this

strata) and a sedimentary strata dated at a minimum of 280,000. Bifacial

tools have been found in situ, sandwiched between the Hueyatlaco ash,

dated at 250,000 and the El Horno strata dated at 280,000.

The El Horno unifacial tools have been assigned to the CroMagnon culture.

The Hueyatlaco bifacial tools have been assigned to Homo Sapien Sapien.

Until now, CroMagnon was thought to have existed from 40,000 -10,000,

emerging from Homo Sapien in Africa and migrating into Europe.

Homo Sapien Sapien is thought to have decended from Homo Sapien in

Africa 130,000 ago.

Homo Sapien was thought to have decended from Homo Erectus 200,000

ago...in Africa.

chacha333 · Jul 1, 2006

Here's an email to the editors of the Discovery Channel network I sent out today:

From: Hatchett Talent Agency
Date: 07/01/06 17:09:10
To: hwilliamson@discovery.ca; kmckeown@discovery.ca; bcowley@discovery.ca
Cc: Dr. Al Goodyear; Dr. Bruce Bradley; Dr. D. Clark Wernecke; Dr. Darrell Creel; Dr. Dennis Stanford; Dr. Jim Adovasio; Dr. John Edward Clark-BYU; Dr. Mario Pino; Dr. Mike Collins; Dr. Mike Waters; mconkey@mac.com; paleo@sdnhm.org; rcerutti@sdnhm.org; prothero@oxy.edu
Subject: San Diego Museum of Natural History- Undisputed 335,000 Year Old Mastadon Kill Site-Final

Hi ladies and gentlemen.

This research submitted by the San Diego Museum of Natural

History seems to have "fallen through the cracks":

http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.com/Caltrans_mastodon_1995.pdf

In summary, the report unequivocally dates a mastodon kill site near San

Diego at 335,000 year B.P. (uranium series). Included are exhaustive core

refit analyses, and mastodon bones displaying distinctive, human made

fracture marks.

Other examples of North American researchers burying critical data, for

which the taxpayers have funded, in open reports, then "tippy toeing away"

include El Horno (Berkeley and Texas A&M), and Hueyatlaco ( Again,

Berkeley and Texas A&M).

Others examples of undisputed early homo lineages in Mexico and the

U.S. Southwest include:

- Prehistoric Human Remains from Jalisco, Mexico by Joel D. Irish, Stanley D. Davis, John (Jack) E. Lobdell, and Frederico A. Solórzano published in Current Research in the Pleistocene 17, 2000.

One Chapala superciliary arch deserves specific mention due to its large size. Studies by Solórzano show the bone resembles that in archaic Homo sapiens at Arago, France. In an unpublished 1990 report, Texas A&M osteologists suggest the brows thickness and robustness are comparable to those of KNM-ER 3733 (African Homo erectus). Our measurements show the central torus thickness is 13.3, compared with 8.5 mm for KNM-ER 3733; the lateral torus thickness is 11.5 versus 9.0 mm (Rightmire 1998). Thus for the sake of comparison, the brow is more like that of Zhoukoudian Skull XI (Asian Homo erectus), with a central torus thickness of 13.2 +/- mm; lateral torus thickness was not measured (Rightmire 1998). Modern brows are too diminutive to allow these measurements. The brow also shows pneumatization (air pockets) along its length.

and so on...

My idea for production includes interviewing each of the researchers as each

site is discussed. Also interspersed within the discussion of each of the sites

will be researchers that have investigated these same sites, and letting them

express their interpretations.

At the end, a scene concerning public accountability and science could be

brought up with comments from the top researchers in the field.

Thanks for taking the time to review this proposal.

Charlie Hatchett

PreClovis, Clovis and Archaic Artifacts

1-877-252-2351/ 1-512-453-6178 ( Austin)

charlie@preclovis.com / www.preclovis.com

Any questions or comments concerning this email are more than welcomed.

chacha333 · Jul 17, 2006

From: Hatchett Talent Agency

Date: 07/12/06 19:22:18

To: newsdesk@ngs.org

Cc: Dr. Mike Collins; Dr. Mike Waters; Dr. Al Goodyear; Dr. Bruce Bradley; Dr. Dennis Stanford; Dr. Jim Adovasio; Dr. Mario Pino; Dr. Tom Dillehay

Subject: 335,000 B.P. Mastodon Kill Site Reported in San Diego County

Greetings.

I really enjoyed your article: "Stone Age Elephant Found at

Ancient U.K. Hunt Site".

What really grabbed my attention was the date of the elephant kill:

400,000 B.P.

I've been investigating a plausible 335,000 B.P. hunt site, including

plausible evidence of a butchered mastodon and horse. The San Diego

Museum of Natural History directed the research.

Here's a link to the summary of findings presented by The San Diego

Museum of Natural History to Caltrans :

http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.com/Caltrans_mastodon_1995.pdf

In summary, the report dates a plausible hunt site near San

Diego at 335,000 year B.P. (uranium series). Included in the report to

Caltrans is plausible evidence of a butchered mastodon and

a butchered horse. The evidence submitted includes 7 core

refit analyses, numerous abrasion analyses and several mastodon bones

are reported to display distinct, human made fracture marks.

If you decide, after reading the summary of findings, the evidence is

convincing, it should be an excellent follow-on to the U.K. research.

Keep up the great reporting!

Cheers,

Charlie Hatchett

www.preclovis.com

chacha333 · Jul 17, 2006

From: Hatchett Talent Agency

Date: 07/12/06 19:22:18

To: newsdesk@ngs.org

Cc: Dr. Mike Collins; Dr. Mike Waters; Dr. Al Goodyear; Dr. Bruce Bradley; Dr. Dennis Stanford; Dr. Jim Adovasio; Dr. Mario Pino; Dr. Tom Dillehay

Subject: 335,000 B.P. Mastodon Kill Site Reported in San Diego County

Greetings.

I really enjoyed your article: "Stone Age Elephant Found at

Ancient U.K. Hunt Site": http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2006/07/060707-elephants.html

What really grabbed my attention was the date of the elephant kill:

400,000 B.P.

I've been investigating a plausible 335,000 B.P. hunt site, including

plausible evidence of a butchered mastodon and horse. The San Diego

Museum of Natural History directed the research.

Here's a link to the summary of findings presented by The San Diego

Museum of Natural History to Caltrans :

http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.com/Caltrans_mastodon_1995.pdf

In summary, the report dates a plausible hunt site near San

Diego at 335,000 year B.P. (uranium series). Included in the report to

Caltrans is plausible evidence of a butchered mastodon and

a butchered horse. The evidence submitted includes 7 core

refit analyses, numerous abrasion analyses and several mastodon bones

are reported to display distinct, human made fracture marks.

If you decide, after reading the summary of findings, the evidence is

convincing, it should be an excellent follow-on to the U.K. research.

Keep up the great reporting!

Cheers,

Charlie Hatchett

www.preclovis.com

chacha333 · Jul 17, 2006

Hi guys.

Here's what I think are the nicer pieces eroded up after this week's

rain:

http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.com/clovis 110.jpg

http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.com/clovis 111.jpg

Curved Clovis Blade

http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.com/archaic artifact 15.jpg

http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.com/archaic artifact 16.jpg

http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.com/archaic artifact 17.jpg

Andice Point-3 3/4"-one tang and stem fractured

http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.com/paleo artifact 3.jpg

http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.com/paleo artifact 4.jpg

unknown Paleo uniface-4"x3.5"

Charlie Hatchett
Charlie@preclovis.com
www.preclovis.com

chacha333 · Jul 18, 2006

From: Hatchett Talent Agency

Date: 07/18/06 16:55:42

To: Dr. Al Goodyear; b.a.bradley@exeter.ac.uk;

CWernecke@compuserve.com; dcreel@mail.utexas.edu;

stanford.dennis@nmnh.si.edu; adovasio@mercyhurst.edu;

john_clark@byu.edu; graduadosforestal@uach.cl;

m.b.Collins@mail.utexas.edu; mwaters@tamu.edu

Cc: Dr. Steve Kissin- Lakehead University-Ontario

Subject: Re: Update on XXXXX Site: Central Texas

I apologize Gentlemen.

I missed one that belongs in the single shouldered category:

http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.com/preclovis%20202.jpg

http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.com/preclovis%20204.jpg

http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.com/preclovis%20203.jpg

Thanks for your patience with my oversight.

Charlie Hatchett
Hatchett Talent Agency
1-877-252-2351/ 1-512-453-6178 ( Austin)
charlie@bandstexas.com / www.bandstexas.com

-------Original Message-------

From: Hatchett Talent Agency

Date: 07/18/06 16:18:55

To: Dr. Al Goodyear; Dr. Bruce Bradley; Dr. D. Clark Wernecke; Dr.

Darrell Creel; Dr. Dennis Stanford; Dr. Jim Adovasio; Dr. John Edward

Clark-BYU; Dr. Mario Pino; Dr. Mike Collins; Dr. Mike Waters

Cc: Dr. Steve Kissin- Lakehead University-Ontario

Subject: Update on XXXXX Site: Central Texas

Greetings Gentlemen.

I've got an anomaly occurring here. I'm finding these crudely

flaked, relatively thick bodied stemmed points below the Clovis bearing

deposits, the Clovis stratum being well documented, by Mike Collins and

his bunch upstream, as being just above where the clay soil stratum and

alluvial gravel stratum meet (TARL Igl/Isi).

Here's a few examples:

http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.com/archaic%20artifact%2040.jpg

http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.com/archaic%20artifact%2041.jpg

http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.com/archaic%20artifact%2042.jpg

Here's one found in situ at the top of the gravel stratum:

http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.com/archaic%20artifact%207.jpg

http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.com/archaic%20artifact%208.jpg

Here's a surface find that appears to have eroded up from the gravel

alluvium:

http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.com/archaic%20artifact%203.jpg

http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.com/archaic%20artifact%204.jpg

http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.com/archaic%20artifact%205.jpg

And another:

http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.com/archaic%20artifact%2038.jpg

http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.com/archaic%20artifact%2039.jpg

I'm trying to make sense of this situation. Is what I'm finding the result of

some post-depositional occurrence, or are these plausibly stemmed

preClovis points?

Do you recognize any as known types?

I've been unable to type them compared to other Central Texas points.

Here's a recap of the pattern of laurel leaf, single shouldered bifaces (and

one single shouldered uniface

chacha333 · Aug 24, 2006

VanLandingham, S.L., 2006, Diatom evidence for autochthonous artifact deposition in the Valsequillo region, Puebla, Mexico during the Sangamonian (sensu lato = 80,000 to ca 220,000 yr BP and Illinoian (220,000 to 430,000 yr BP). J. Paleolimnol, 36, 101-116.

Journal of Paleolimnology
Diatom evidence for autochthonous artifact deposition in the Valsequillo region, Puebla, Mexico during the Sangamonian (sensu lato = 80,000 to ca. 220,000 yr BP and Illinoian (220,000 to 430,000 yr BP))
Journal Journal of Paleolimnology
Publisher Springer Netherlands
ISSN 0921-2728 (Print) 1573-0417 (Online)
Subject Earth and Environmental Science
Issue Volume 36, Number 1 / July, 2006
Category Original Paper
DOI 10.1007/s10933-006-0008-4
Pages 101-116
Online Date Saturday, July 29, 2006

http://www.springerlink.com/content...BP and Illinoian (220,000 to 430,000 yr BP))"

Here we have a mainstream science journal publishing a well-reasoned paper, written by a well-respected paleontologist, arguing for human existence in North America between 220,000 BP-430,000 BP. In light of the 335,000 BP report to Caltrans and the 400,000 BP report from the U.K. by well respected, mainstream paleontologists and archeologists, I think any open minded individual must seriously consider the plausibility of human existence in North America contemporaneously with the earliest of Neanderthals and the latter of Homo heidelbe

Recent PreClovis Discoveries and the Implications for the Evolution Theory.

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