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Rebuild the Wall! Make the .......

Discussion in 'The Kitchen Sink' started by Goonie, May 22, 2019.

  1. Goonie

    Goonie Not so Mystic Mog. Supporter

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  2. Aryeh Jay

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    The wall was never really finished and look what happened to the Romans! All the more need to complete Trump’s Wall and Keep America Great (and SAFE).
     
  3. tturt

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    or continue to let 1000 enter daily instead of coming in legally.
     
  4. Quid est Veritas?

    Quid est Veritas? In Memoriam to CS Lewis

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    Hadrian's Wall was certainly finished. Initially they built the Broad Wall, but then adjusted to the Narrow Wall to complete it quickly. Further, it extended along the coast a bit on the west. Behind it, it had a broad ditch with a mound, called the Vallum, with a tapering ditch in front as well with probably stake pits. It served right up to the withdrawal from Britain in 410, with some changes made periodically, and there is good evidence that some of the forts continued in use by the post-Roman successor states.
     
  5. Aryeh Jay

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    So they are still speaking Roman in England?
     
  6. Goonie

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    off causam sumus
     
  7. Quid est Veritas?

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    Technically, the Angles, Saxons and Jutes were 'invited' into post-Roman Britain, traditionally by Vortigern (which may just mean high king). Hadrian's wall worked quite well for the 300 or so years it was manned, as essentially an armed border - with likely customs and military roles. It was in all likelihood manned up till the Roman withdrawal, and in fact beyond it by the new emerging kingdoms. Even the usurping Emperor Magnus Maximus maintained the wall when he took troops from Britain, and possibly felt it secure enough that he could transplant some foederati Votadini just north of it, to Northern Wales (the Gododdin of Welsh tales).

    To point out, the Romans withdrew from Britain, they weren't forced out as such. The Western Emperors chose to abandon it, to focus more of their resources on the rest of the Empire, and in the subsequent vacuum, the states that arose were continuations of Roman era provincial Civitates and local structures.
     
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