Sheesh, some people just have to argue about everything, even God being good.
Sheesh, some people just have to argue about everything, even God being good.
The context I was referencing to was the "good" that the Bible says in reference to GOD. I know no other higher good than what the Bible says as in talking about God. It essentially says God is good, and I believe that. Now, man's definition of what good may be is something else entirely (of which I was not referring to). Is there a passage or verse that says there is a higher level of good that is ascribed to God? In other words, the Bible essentially says, "God is good." Is there a passage that says, "God is beyond even good"? or a verse that says: "God is even more than good."?
Bible highlighter, you know the King James Bible was heavily influenced by the Tyndale Bible right? Tyndale was printed first. The King James Bible was made in response to the Geneva Bible. The kjv now isn't even exactly the same as the original.
It's great if you love the kjv. Enjoy. But there's no reason to attack other believers for their preferred version.
If anyone is interested:
The Percentage of Words in the Geneva and King James Versions taken from Tyndale's translation.
Then you should study what that same word says about taking simple well meaning statements of others and turning them into something contentious. (hint: it isn't "good")For me: The truth of God's Word matters. If God's Word says, "there is none good but one, that is, God." Then surely that is what it means. The Lord is good. There is not another higher form of good that the Bible ascribes to GOD. It simply states that, "the Lord is good..." (Nahum 1:7).
Then you should study what that same word says about taking simple well meaning statements of others and turning them into something contentious. (hint: it isn't "good")
Give me a break, BNR32FAN has been nothing but sweet and kind and gracious and trying to glorify God and you turned it into something that it wasn't. I'm glad you see it was a misunderstanding, but no matter how you try to spin it that behavior was not biblical, it was unkind.I do not know what people mean when they say things always. I am not a mind reader. If they say something that is contrary to His Word, I feel it is my Christian duty to preach the Word in season, etc.
As you know: Preaching God's Word is never popular, but it does not mean I am seeking to stir up trouble and neither does it mean I do not care about folks and or neither does it mean I am not trying to get along with other believers. Having faith in God's Word correctly is important to me. So I would like for my fellow brethren to only speak in line with what His Word says. For the moment we go beyond what His Word says, it leads to problems.
Anyways, my brother's latter statements makes it appear like he does not disagree with me on what Scriptures says on this point. It appeared to be a simple misunderstanding (of which I am glad); So there is no problem, friend. Unless you want to see one.
Peace and blessings be unto you in the Lord.
Give me a break, BNR32FAN has been nothing but sweet and kind and gracious and trying to glorify God and you turned it into something that it wasn't. I'm glad you see it was a misunderstanding, but no matter how you try to spin it that behavior was not biblical, it was unkind.
A modern, well researched translation is always going to be better than the KJV because more info is available today to Bible scholars and writers than when the KJV was written.
We understand Greek and Hebrew better for a start and through knowledge know what was being said in early scripture.
Then how do you account for the points I made in the OP?
Lack of understanding and knowledge
Reasons why I believe the KJV is the divinely inspired perfect Word:
#1. God's Word claims that it is perfect:
God's Word claims that it is perfect (Psalms 12:6) (Psalms 119:140) (Proverbs 30:5) and that it will be preserved for all generations (Psalms 12:7) and it will stand forever (Isaiah 40:8) (1 Peter 1:25). Therefore, seeing Scripture plainly states these facts, it then becomes an issue of a test of your faith in God's Word (See the test the devil gave to Eve in Genesis 3:1); For the Bereans were more noble because they compared the spoken Word of God with the written Word of God (Acts of the Apostles 17:11). In other words, if the Bereans thought the written Word was corrupt in some way they would have no way of really knowing if the spoken Word of God was true or not.
#2. KJV vs. Modern Translations:
A simple side by side comparison of the KJV vs Modern Translations shows us that the devil tries to place his name in the Modern Versions. Have no idea what I am talking about?
Well, many Bible versions say that it is the dragon who is standing on the sea shore in Revelation. This is just evil and wrong.
See Parallel Version for Revelation 13:1 here...
Revelation 13:1 The dragon stood on the shore of the sea. And I saw a beast coming out of the sea. It had ten horns and seven heads, with ten crowns on its horns, and on each head a blasphemous name.
See, if you know anything about Bible language, standing on something means that you "own it"; And the devil wants to own you. In the King James, John is standing on the seashore. Yet in many Bible versions the dragon (i.e. the devil) is standing on the seashore.
Why is this a problem?
Let's look at...
Genesis 22:17
"That in blessing I will bless thee, and in multiplying I will multiply thy seed as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand which is upon the seashore; and thy seed shall possess the gate of his enemies;"
Did you catch that? God says to Abraham that He will multiply his seed as the stars of the heaven and as the sand which is upon the seashore where he will then possess the gate of his enemies (i.e. the devil and his kingdom). The apostle John who wrote Revelation was Jewish and he was the promised seed of Genesis 22 standing on the seashore in Revelation 13. It was not the dragon or the devil standing on the seashore.
For certain Modern Versions eliminate the part of the passage in Revelation 13:1 that says that John is standing on the seashore (When he refers to himself as "I").
Also, the devil tries to take out key points in important discussions within the Bible (Which can affect doctrine). For example: In Romans 7 Paul talks from the Jew's perspective in keeping the Old Testament Law (Which leads to problems), and he gives us the climax or heart of his message as a solution in Romans 8:1. Now, certain modern translations have eliminated "who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit." Eliminating this passage destroys the whole thrust of Paul's argument. Walking in the Spirit is the key to being in Christ Jesus. You eliminate that and you destroy Paul's argument. Also, 1 John 5:7 is the only verse in the Bible that is the clearest and most concise teaching on the Godhead (i.e. the Trinity).
To learn more on this study, click on the following spoiler button:
In fact, this is not the only time the devil has tried to place his name in the Bible in exchange for something that is supposed to be sacred or holy. We see the devil tries to place his name in Modern Translations in Daniel 3.
In Daniel 3, the Babylonian king says there is one like the "Son of God" in the fiery furnace along with Daniel's three friends. This is Jesus! Yet, in the Modern Translations it says the "son of the gods." In many false religions we can see how certain gods had mated with human females and created a hybrid. This is popular even in Greek mythology. So who saved Daniel's friends? Jesus or some hybrid like Hercules?
Nebuchadnezzar thought this was an angel of God (singular and not plural).
"Then Nebuchadnezzar spake, and said, Blessed be the God of Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, who hath sent his angel, and delivered his servants that trusted in him, and have changed the king's word, and yielded their bodies, that they might not serve nor worship any god, except their own God." (Daniel 3:28).
This was not the "son of the gods (plural) (little "g")!!!
No way Hosea! I mean, "No way José!"
Nebuchadnezzar clearly was referencing the most high God.
The Bible says (even something similar in your Modern Version),
"Then Nebuchadnezzar came near to the mouth of the burning fiery furnace, and spake, and said, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, ye servants of the most high God, come forth, and come hither. Then Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, came forth of the midst of the fire." (Daniel 3:26).
Angels are called the: "sons of God" in Job.
The fourth person in the fire was still Jesus! The son of God. The Scriptures were still correct in their inspiration by God when they say, "and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God." While Nebuchadnezzar did not know it was the second person of the Godhead or the Trinity, the Lord our God who inspired Scripture surely would have glorified the name of the Son of God (Jesus) in this instance. For it was Jesus who was in the fire with Daniel's three friends!
Also, please check out this thread here, as well. It will help to explain this situation a little better, too.
Jesus is the Messenger of the Lord in the Old Testament.
(Please take note: I do not believe Jesus is an angelic being; I believe Jesus is the second person of the Godhead or the Trinity and that He is fully 100% God who took on the flesh of man).
In Isaiah 14:12, the devil's name "Lucifer" is replaced with "Day Star" or the "Morning Star."
Yes, I am aware that "morning stars" are angels in the book of Job.
But Modern Translations also say this is the Shining Star or the Son of the Dawn. Why?
Jesus says,
"I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star." (Revelation 22:16).
So Jesus is the BRIGHT and MORNING star!
Yet, the individual in Isaiah 14:12 in Modern Translations is called the shining (bright) and morning star or the Day Star, etc.
So the devil is trying to be like the most high here. He is taking a similar sounding title of Jesus in Isaiah 14:12.
For where is the bright and morning star up in the sky?
It is the sun.
That is why He is called the bright and morning star because the sun is bright and rises in the morning.
Also, Lucifer means "light bearer."
Scripture tells us this is what it means.
"And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light." (2 Corinthians 11:14).
The word "angel" also means "messenger." So 2 Corinthians 11:14 is saying that Satan is a light messenger or light bearer. In fact, when Satan is described with having all kinds of jewelry on him, it was symbolic of who he was. Certain gemstones refract light. They are not light themselves, but they merely reflect whatever light is in existence. Gemstones are like little light bearers. So how fitting the name "Lucifer" is for the devil. Yet, Modern Translations seek to give the devil a name that is similar to Jesus. This is wrong (of course).
#3. Biblical Numerics:
Bible Numbers that glorify God and His Word. (Note: These are not equidistant letter sequences or numbers that attempt to get one to have a special dream, or to divine the future in some way - Striving to foretell the future is forbidden in the Bible). Numbers are something that we deal with in our everyday life and all things glorify God. So obviously the numbers in God's Word would naturally glorify Him in some way. What am I talking about? Check out this video on Numbers & the Greek New Testament.
Sevens in the Bible - Chuck Missler:
Also, here is a video series by Mike Hoggard that talks about the number 7 in the King James.
King James Code - Number 7 - Mike Hoggard (Part 1):
King James Code - Number 7 - Mike Hoggard (Part 2):
Now, while I may not agree with Mike and Chuck on everything they teach in the Bible nor on the way they teach the Bible, but their teaching on Biblical numerics are amazing; I have found that they have made some startling discoveries. Discoveries that do not appear in the modern translations but only in the original languages (Chuck) and only in the King James (Mike).
#4. Men have lost their voice for tampering with God's Word.
The Bible warns us not to add to God's Word, otherwise the plagues that are written in this book (the Bible) will be added to us.
"For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book" (Revelation 22:18).
Many have said that this is only talking about the book of Revelation. But men have lost their voice for adding to God's Word (Which is a plague in another part of the Bible and not Revelation).
Check out these articles here:
Bible Corrector Loses Voice on Ankerberg Show
Bible Correctors lose Voice
Concluding thoughts on the KJV vs. the Modern Translations:
I believe the Cambridge Edition (circa 1900) is the Word of God for our world language (English) today. In 1611, the printing process was not perfected yet and there was no set standard in spelling yet, either. The Apocrypha was also not removed officially until 1885, too (Even though it was never regarded as Scripture by Christians).
From my experience, I have discovered that there are two wrong extremes on this topic. One wrong extreme says the KJV is evil and to even use it is to be a part of a cult (That teaches that one must worship a book - Which is simply not true). The other wrong extreme says the same thing. For I have found that many KJV-Onlyists believe that you should only read the King James. Many other KJV-Onlyists will also say that the King James is not all that hard to understand, too. However, I disagree with both of these conclusions, though.
Anyways, while I believe the KJV is the divinely inspired Word of God, I do not think one should stick to just reading it alone. For I have found Modern Translations to be very helpful in updating the language (From Old English); However, I do not put my entire trust in Modern Translations because the devil has placed his name all over them and key doctrines have been watered down and important messages within God's Word have been neutered.
In other words, I read Modern Translations as if I am panning for gold. I have to sift thru the dirt or the garbage in order to get to the gold of the passage that lines up with the King James (and the original Hebrew and Greek).
This gold that is found within the dirt of the translations can be very useful because it reflects what is in the King James. This is the gold that people hear and are saved when they hear the gospel message. For someone can be saved just by hearing a few Bible verses about the gospel message of Jesus Christ. This gold shines thru and penetrates their heart.
Like the Parable of the Sower. Believers receive the Word of God into their heart from those passages that are talking about salvation. Words that line up with the King James. These words are sown in their heart. And if they let this Word take root in their heart by continually reading the Word of God, then they will have hidden His Word in their heart so they will not sin against Him. It will have taken root and they will not fall away due to persecution or the trials of this life.
For it only takes a few Bible verses to get someone saved. However, washing yourself with the water of the Word is going to be a lot more effective if you use the pure Word of God.
I hope this helps someone today, and may God bless you all.
Sincerely,
~ Jason.
I do not know what people mean when they say things always. I am not a mind reader. If they say something that is contrary to His Word, I feel it is my Christian duty to preach the Word in season, etc.
As you know: Preaching God's Word is never popular, but it does not mean I am seeking to stir up trouble and neither does it mean I do not care about folks and or neither does it mean I am not trying to get along with other believers. Having faith in God's Word correctly is important to me. So I would like for my fellow brethren to only speak in line with what His Word says. For the moment we go beyond what His Word says, it leads to problems.
Anyways, my brother's latter statements makes it appear like he does not disagree with me on what Scriptures says on this point. It appeared to be a simple misunderstanding (of which I am glad); So there is no problem, friend. Unless you want to see one.
Peace and blessings be unto you in the Lord.
I wasn’t offended by that post at all. I actually thought it was enlightening to be honest. I hadn’t thought of it that way before. It actually made me think about the extent of how good, good actually is. I think before I was underemphasizing just how good, good is in the scriptures because today we use words that appear to be better than good like great, awesome, best, etc. I did however notice the word excellent being used in Strong’s Concordance to describe the word good. But no I wasn’t offended in the least bit.
For me.... it was a salvation issue and a matter of faith itself.
It was either...
(a) Believe there was a perfect Word of God or
(b) Believe that there was no perfect Word of God.
The Bible was either...
(a) All true (ever letter, jot, and tittle), or
(b) None of it was true.
I chose to believe that God's Word are pure words (just as it says).
"The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times." (Psalms 12:6).
While Gail Riplinger is not a perfect person, she did write a compelling book that compares the KJV next to the Modern Translations with her book called "New Age Bible Versions." You may be able to have it ordered via by the library or something. This is what started my journey in trusting the KJV as the divinely inspired Word of God. The evidence only stacked up from that point.
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