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I don't know, but we better play quickly before soysauce tears down the wickets and declares a hockey match...David Gould said:There's a Christian Forums cricket match? Cool. Who's batting first?
Hahaha, this is the classic responce. The beneficial mutation isn't good enough now. Now, a mutation must make a fish into a bird!soysauce said:the antifreeze blood is a variation. does it change the fact that the fish is still a fish?
You may find these interesting.soysauce said:Mutations do not add new information but just scrambles the orginal DNA. Also, it is not productive towards an organism. Fruit flies were mutated thousands of times and they had offsprings w/ no wings, curled wings, no legs...same as mutated cows. Cows sometimes have an extra leg but thats not new information, but just a copy of the original cow information. Information means Knowledge derived from study, experience, or instruction. The DNA gives instuctions to the amino acids to be able to produce proteins. These proteins help create our body.
Give it a few billion years worth of mutations and it just might.soysauce said:Thats a VARAIATION. Its still a bacteria after it is resistnat toanitbiotics. It doesnt change into a monkey.
Changed them to look exactly like they were evolved? Then changed the earth to make it look old, and like everything evolved?Melior said:Maybe the 7 day creation happened, and then God changed the animals in some way afterwards. I don't know. I don't really have my own opinion on this; I was just offering a base for someone to argue with.
The problem then becomes a theological one, since iggy the magic elf could have made everything last tuesday, and we would never know.Melior said:Maybe the 7 day creation happened, and then God changed the animals in some way afterwards. I don't know. I don't really have my own opinion on this; I was just offering a base for someone to argue with.
Nathan Poe said:#1.) Second, Darwin's "guess work" as you call it, was at least the result of hisown observation. When exactly did God "reveal" his little creation story to Moses?
The burning bush? In between plagues of Egypt?
#2.) Was God even speaking to Moses at this point? Every other book of the Pentaleuch swats us over the head with their conversations: "And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying..." appears everywhere else in the Pentaleuch, but nowhere in Genesis.
So let's not drop a name like Moses unless it's relevent.
#3.) It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in. --Isaiah 40:22
the problem here is that the curtain and tent similes simply would not work on a 3-D object such as a sphere. The passage clearly says that the Earth is a circle, and it is on a circle, a flat circle, that crtains and tents are more apt to fit.
So, you can admit that a circle is not a sphere, (although both are indeed round) or admit that "The Word of God" uses symbolic language (in this case tents and curtains) poorly.
#4.) As you yourself said, Moses was taught by the Egyptians, who were, bar none, the best astronomers of their time. Nothing in the passages mentioned would be particularly shocking to any such educated civilization, even an ancient one.QUOTE]
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Talking Points:
#1.) Darwin saw finches mix-breeding and called it macro-evolution
#2.) Thats because Genesis was not written about Moses! [note: No ad hominem] Exodus on the other hand is where we get to the account of Moses.
#3.) The word "circle" had a broad meaning (i don't think you would know that since you didn't seem to know that Moses wasn't in the book of Genesis). The word "sphere" is only found in our modern english diction. But if you look round up in the dictionary you will find:Ball, sphere, circle. All these words describe a "round" object. Now, once you've learned that, all you need to do know is add-the 2+2 of common sense, read the verse listed, and WOW!! you just might learn something. But..since you're an atheist you're probably forcing yourself right now to think slower and comprehend less so that you can still justify your meaningless life.
#4.) The Egyptians wern't astronomers; they were astrologers, there is a difference. Moses knew about the true God and creator and eventually led the Hebrew nation out of Egypt. These Israelites were not into Egyptian myths, but they knew everything the Egyptians knew and more about origins.
I guess you can count-out the evolution alien theory out knowYou just proved aliens are not responsible for life on earth. Thats will hurt evolutions last resort tactics (hahahaha!!!).
Im right, you're wrong
And thats the memo
See avatar.FEZZILLA said:I've noticed alot of you like to argue just to argue. No matter how many times the world of academics slams you in the face, you'll deny true information and get false infomation offf your far-left wing websites.
You should try thinking for yourselves sometime, it's fun!
No, he did not. Do you know anything about either evolutionary theory or Darwin?FEZZILLA said:Talking Points:
#1.) Darwin saw finches mix-breeding and called it macro-evolution
There is no "evolution alien theory." What I THINK you are referring to is panspermia, which has absolutely nothing to do with evolutionary theory.FEZZILLA said:I guess you can count-out the evolution alien theory out knowYou just proved aliens are not responsible for life on earth. Thats will hurt evolutions last resort tactics (hahahaha!!!).
I've noticed alot of you like to argue just to argue. No matter how many times the world of academics slams you in the face, you'll deny true information and get false infomation offf your far-left wing websites.
You should try thinking for yourselves sometime, it's fun!
nah, Tuesday's Iggy's day off...Jet Black said:The problem then becomes a theological one, since iggy the magic elf could have made everything last tuesday, and we would never know.
nobody claimed Darwin was infallible; Scientists have been picking apart his work for 150 years now, correcting his mistakes.FEZZILLA said:________________________________________________________________
Talking Points:
#1.) Darwin saw finches mix-breeding and called it macro-evolution
That wouldn't explain Leviticus, Numbers, and Deutoronomy, all of which were credited to Moses, little of which is about him, but follows the same theme of Exodus, but not Genesis.#2.) Thats because Genesis was not written about Moses! [note: No ad hominem] Exodus on the other hand is where we get to the account of Moses.
Now that's an ad hom....#3.) The word "circle" had a broad meaning (i don't think you would know that since you didn't seem to know that Moses wasn't in the book of Genesis).
Another ad hom. *sigh* see if you can follow this...The word "sphere" is only found in our modern english diction. But if you look round up in the dictionary you will find:Ball, sphere, circle. All these words describe a "round" object. Now, once you've learned that, all you need to do know is add-the 2+2 of common sense, read the verse listed, and WOW!! you just might learn something.
So at this point you really have nothing to go on, hmm?But..since you're an atheist you're probably forcing yourself right now to think slower and comprehend less so that you can still justify your meaningless life.
Not as much as you'd think. The Egyptians kept meticulous records of the stars in order to schedule their religious rituals. Astrology, perhaps, but the point is that the Egyptians had been studying the sky long enough to learn quite a bit.#4.) The Egyptians wern't astronomers; they were astrologers, there is a difference.
Non-sequitor.Moses knew about the true God and creator and eventually led the Hebrew nation out of Egypt.
And you say this because you choose to believe the Hebrew myths over the Egyptians. your prerogative, of course, but that doesn't make it "evidence" for anything.These Israelites were not into Egyptian myths, but they knew everything the Egyptians knew and more about origins.
too idiotic to merit a response-- ah, crud, I just gave one.I guess you can count-out the evolution alien theory out knowYou just proved aliens are not responsible for life on earth. Thats will hurt evolutions last resort tactics (hahahaha!!!).
Most mature thing you've said this whole post...Im right, you're wrong
And thats the memo
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