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Anyhow, I'm far from "angry" for your decision. "Disappointed", maybe. "Angry", not even close.
I'm sorry. I will not explain it, I have my reasons.I'd love to see your reasoning, but let me guess:
the OT shows horrendous Judgments, and actions. So you think this means that's who God is?
I don't know what is this.
1 Corinthians 15 (New International Version)
1 Corinthians 15
The Resurrection of Christ
1 Now, brothers and sisters, I want to remind you of the gospel I preached to you, which you received and on which you have taken your stand. 2 By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain.
3 For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance[a]: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures, 5 and that he appeared to Cephas, and then to the Twelve. 6 After that, he appeared to more than five hundred of the brothers and sisters at the same time, most of whom are still living, though some have fallen asleep. 7 Then he appeared to James, then to all the apostles, 8 and last of all he appeared to me also, as to one abnormally born.
9 For I am the least of the apostles and do not even deserve to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God. 10 But by the grace of God I am what I am, and his grace to me was not without effect. No, I worked harder than all of themyet not I, but the grace of God that was with me. 11 Whether, then, it is I or they, this is what we preach, and this is what you believed.
The Resurrection of the Dead
12 But if it is preached that Christ has been raised from the dead, how can some of you say that there is no resurrection of the dead? 13 If there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even Christ has been raised. 14 And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith. 15 More than that, we are then found to be false witnesses about God, for we have testified about God that he raised Christ from the dead. But he did not raise him if in fact the dead are not raised. 16 For if the dead are not raised, then Christ has not been raised either. 17 And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins. 18 Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ are lost. 19 If only for this life we have hope in Christ, we are of all people most to be pitied.
20 But Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. 21 For since death came through a man, the resurrection of the dead comes also through a man. 22 For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive. 23 But each in turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him. 24 Then the end will come, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power. 25 For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy to be destroyed is death. 27 For he has put everything under his feet.[c] Now when it says that everything has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ. 28 When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all.
29 Now if there is no resurrection, what will those do who are baptized for the dead? If the dead are not raised at all, why are people baptized for them? 30 And as for us, why do we endanger ourselves every hour? 31 I face death every dayyes, just as surely as I boast about you in Christ Jesus our Lord. 32 If I fought wild beasts in Ephesus with no more than human hopes, what have I gained? If the dead are not raised,
Let us eat and drink,
for tomorrow we die.[d]
33 Do not be misled: Bad company corrupts good character.[e] 34 Come back to your senses as you ought, and stop sinning; for there are some who are ignorant of GodI say this to your shame.
The Resurrection Body
35 But someone will ask, How are the dead raised? With what kind of body will they come? 36 How foolish! What you sow does not come to life unless it dies. 37 When you sow, you do not plant the body that will be, but just a seed, perhaps of wheat or of something else. 38 But God gives it a body as he has determined, and to each kind of seed he gives its own body. 39 Not all flesh is the same: People have one kind of flesh, animals have another, birds another and fish another. 40 There are also heavenly bodies and there are earthly bodies; but the splendor of the heavenly bodies is one kind, and the splendor of the earthly bodies is another. 41 The sun has one kind of splendor, the moon another and the stars another; and star differs from star in splendor.
42 So will it be with the resurrection of the dead. The body that is sown is perishable, it is raised imperishable; 43 it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power; 44 it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body.
If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body. 45 So it is written: The first man Adam became a living being[f]; the last Adam, a life-giving spirit. 46 The spiritual did not come first, but the natural, and after that the spiritual. 47 The first man was of the dust of the earth; the second man is of heaven. 48 As was the earthly man, so are those who are of the earth; and as is the heavenly man, so also are those who are of heaven. 49 And just as we have borne the image of the earthly man, so shall we[g] bear the image of the heavenly man.
50 I declare to you, brothers and sisters, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. 51 Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed 52 in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. 53 For the perishable must clothe itself with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality. 54 When the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality, then the saying that is written will come true: Death has been swallowed up in victory.[h]
55 Where, O death, is your victory?
Where, O death, is your sting?
56 The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law. 57 But thanks be to God! He gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
58 Therefore, my dear brothers and sisters, stand firm. Let nothing move you. Always give yourselves fully to the work of the Lord, because you know that your labor in the Lord is not in vain.
I said that my decision has nothing to do with anything discussed in this thread and also asked you to ask God if you don't understand my decision. Instead you started digging the past.That's from your post #129
Then Jesus said, Whoever has ears to hear, let them hear.(Mark 4:9)
Have faith.All the best with your endeavors, I'm sure you'll find what you are looking for with persistence
What do you think? If a man owns a hundred sheep, and one of them wanders away, will he not leave the ninety-nine on the hills and go to look for the one that wandered off?(Matthew 18:12)
We don't know. It seems you know that the rules must be 100% randomly generated. You have to explain why.
Still we don't know anything about it. The chances could be 1/2 as well, or even 100% pro life. We don't know the rules that govern how universes are created. You assume it have to be 100% random.
The difference between us is that you suppose you know how the universes come to existence and conclude that they cannot come to existence without a deity. I don't suppose that I know how the universes come to existence. Thus the lack of the logical step you have made. You may call it sticking my head in the sand, I call it not accepting more knowledge than I have as granted.
We exist, don't we? We are the winner. As we don't know the rules of the game we cannot suppose anything about our winning.
It was simple mathematics pointing out that no matter how low you put your "deity probability threshold" I can toss the coin more times and create a sequence that have lower probability. No matter how small a number epsilon is, there is a smaller number that can be expressed as 1 / (2^N). So, it does not matter how low your probability is, you can make lower probability just by tossing the coin(or more coins to speed up the process) long enough, so N is big enough. So, you have to agree that the deity who created the universe(or similar deity) must have something to do with the outcome of your coin tossing experiment.
The only problem for my logic here is if you postulate that this universe has 0% probability to exist. In this case I cannot toss a coin unlimited number of times.
Unfortunately the most basic cells possible are no longer living.
Self programming is possible. You'd never know what such a machine will be able to achieve.
And I'm feeling we are turning this into Creation vs. science thread. I don't feel this is the right direction.
Yeah.. there is a real good reason, God who created heaven and earth, is going to do a redo and would like to save as much as He can before wiping out the old with fire. He is asking you to trust Him, get ready for His return to come and save those who are ready for a new world and universe that is made without sin, death, and destruction. Are you interested?Is there any reason to believe in Christian God? I mean, a positive constructive reason. Not something like "What you gonna lose?"
People die at all ages. Does that mean 1 year old baby death is end of a test?
Give me some links to the verses that say so, please. I'm still stuck in Genesis wondering why Cain is afraid of other people, when the text shows he is there with only his parents, as he already killed his brother.
I lead you 2:0 and counting as I'm reading it for 3rd time. I can tell you I find it extremely boring, especially the parts that describe who was father to whom. NT is different and quite better, but as it says OT is true one must accept them both. Anyway I find NT having quite tempting messages, but isn't that the way Satan is supposed to work by tempting people with things they wish so much so they readily accept? God from OT was more straightforward - ordering and expecting obedience, then punishing disobedience.
Yet you accept this one that benefits the specific group who believe in it.
Great advice, as I know from experience this is exactly what He will do. The question you have to ask yourself is are you a lost sheep or are you a goat, and only you and Jesus know the answer to that, for anyone else to make an assessment is called judgmental. Certainly though, considering the story of the prodigal son, God gives us the freedom we so require that we may come to truly appreciate what it means to be His son when we find out what it means to live without Him.Originally Posted by oi_antz
All the best with your endeavors, I'm sure you'll find what you are looking for with persistence
Have faith.
What do you think? If a man owns a hundred sheep, and one of them wanders away, will he not leave the ninety-nine on the hills and go to look for the one that wandered off?(Matthew 18:12)
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