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lsume

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If one is sealed in Christ, they cannot undo that. The “once your saved your always saved“ sentiment is true. However anyone who thinks they can be born again and sin at will is sadly mistaken. The punishment for that mind set would be severe. Note both The Goodness and Severity of our Lord. I am speaking from experience. I can’t say that I got into a continuous state of a repeatable sin but sin occurred none the less. It is a fearful thing to fall into the Hands of The Living God. How can anyone explain that to someone that has not experienced it. It is a great Blessing. The fear of The Lord is the beginning of knowledge. I was suspended over the lake of fire in a very powerful vision. I had never had a vision in the past and I’ve never taken a hallucinogen. That experience certainly taught me the fear of The Lord but it was definitely not as terrifying as another experience. If you cannot relate to The Word of God referenced, perhaps prayer will change that. When Christ Told the rich man, in the story of “Lazarus and the rich man”, was a powerful parable. Since everything that Christ Speaks is truth, that truth permeates every aspect of the parable. Abraham told the rich man that though he returned from the dead, his brothers would not believe him. Seeing miracles does not seem to yield faith. Why, I have sometimes wondered, was not the son of Nebuchadnezzar or his kingdom forced to worship The One True God? After he was freed from his 7 year stint as an animal, he acknowledged The One True God. Consider that he ate grass for sustenance. You cannot eat grass and live. The cellulose is what is called a right handed molecule that humans cannot digest and convert to energy. Everything about why you are here is to find God The Father. That is impossible to do without Christ.


1Cor.2
  1. [3] And I was with you in weakness, and in fear, and in much trembling.
2Cor.7
  1. [15] And his inward affection is more abundant toward you, whilst he remembereth the obedience of you all, how with fear and trembling ye received him.
Eph.6
  1. [5] Servants, be obedient to them that are your masters according to the flesh, with fear and trembling, in singleness of your heart, as unto Christ;


Rom.11
  1. [22] Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
 
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I’m sure you have been told that Christians don’t ever need to worry. Perhaps you heard it more like “stop worrying, Christians don’t worry”. A number of years back, one of our grandsons was scared to go school one day because he thought he was going to die. Our daughter called us about the situation and asked me to help. Since her with family lives far away, I had to call him on his cell. He told me something like “I just know I’m going to die today if I go to school.” I offered the following; if God wants you to die today at the stroke of 2:48 pm, there is nothing in the universe that can prevent your pending death. By the same token, if God does not want you to die today, there is nothing in the universe that cause your death that day period. He understood that logic very well and went on to school without incident to my knowledge. That was about 6 years ago as I recall because now he is married and has two girls. To me, the much bigger issue occurring right now, the huge drift away from Christianity is what it should be about. We cannot abruptly impact the entire population and expect things to go back to normal. Please pray for God’s Blessing in America.
 
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You have put my thoughts into words so elegantly, thankyou.

 
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I've long had a feeling that the "mark" will be delivered through some form of forced "medicine" such as a vaccine. I have felt this before even current events started playing out. I have seen and felt how medicine can be used to oppress people (I've been formally involuntarily medicated for depression, which destroyed me even further, but I'm ok now, I escaped that mental health system prison).
My biggest worry is, how to protect my beautiful 9 year old son (who is a believer) against a heavily pro-vaccination father who is a non-Christian. If forced vaccines come into play, and I refuse, I know that he will be awarded custody, and I will be unable to protect my son. I can see this potentially tearing my family apart in the near future.
 
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Trust in the almighty father . I won't be taking vaccines regardless if it's the mark or not. No need for a vaccination if I don't want it.
 
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Nor will I. In fact just lost my job in aged care as our government bought in mandatory vaccines to be able to continue to work.

Trust in the almighty father . I won't be taking vaccines regardless if it's the mark or not. No need for a vaccination if I don't want it.
 
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]I think your link did not post, as it was modified by the auto-censor. However, I did read one time about a genetic modification to stop people believing in God via vaccine. I think Christians should be more wary of what they consent to putting in their bodies. While Paul says nothing can separate us from the love of God, why put God to the test by allowing His enemies to put a mark in our bodies - to me, it sounds too similar to the mark of the Beast.

Don't you think the world is already worshipping the Beast? When this virus came (or allegedly came), instead of turning to God, the world turned to the Beast. The Beast said social distancing, and the people willingly social distanced. The Beast said you can't travel, you can't go to church, you can't meet with others, and the people willingly surrendered their freedoms. The Beast said there will be a vaccine, and many are looking to this as their saviour. God says not to give up meeting together, and to trust in Him, but how many did that? Not so many, and even those who did were blamed by many professing Christians for putting others at risk.

Couldn't the Beast already be the governments of the world, or the NWO-UN? If so, most of the people are already worshipping it. This vaccine (and chip) most certainly is a mark in our bodies - maybe not in our right hand or foreheads yet, but I will not be consenting to take it.

Perhaps people will later realise it is a scam and start removing it, and from there it will move to right hands and foreheads.
 
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That is pretty scary. I think having a child and worrying about him/her taking the mark or at least being an atheist would be a big burden to carry.
 
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That is pretty scary. I think having a child and worrying about him/her taking the mark or at least being an atheist would be a big burden to carry.
How about worrying about your child getting an illness preventable by vaccination?

Seriously, this thread is a perfect example of the dark side of the internet - people who hold, dangerous, fringe-y ideas can find a place to backslap each other and propagate crazy ideas.

Kind of like how a virus propagates.....
 
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It's normal
 
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Why do you think these beliefs are dangerous? Don't you think that paranoia and fear of others holding different opinions comes from the "dark side of the internet"?
 
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... I was going to, but can't be bothered justifying why I choose to follow my conscience on this issue as a Christian. It is not worth my time and energy trying to justify myself to those who only choose to see things from one perspective.
 
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It is not worth my time and energy trying to justify myself to those who only choose to see things from one perspective.
I am always fascinated when people claim to know what is going in my head. You, of course, have no access at all to the inner workings of my mind. All you have are my words on the page, and there is nothing in those words that suggests I have not considered more than one perspective.

But let's be clear: when someone refuses to be vaccinated, they are recklessly putting other living human beings at unnecessary risk for illness (and possible death). Nothing, I suggest, is more antithetical to the gospel imperative to be an agency of healing for the world.
 
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Just look at your post below. You claim to know what is going on in the heads of other people. Jesus had a word to describe those who didn't practice what they preached.

But let's be clear: when someone refuses to be vaccinated, they are recklessly putting other living human beings at unnecessary risk for illness (and possible death).
Lol. You can't prove this statement. And because you can't, based on your post above, I'm sure if you looked, you would find yourself fascinating.
 
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If you really want to have this argument...
The reasons I choose to obey my God given conscience on this issue is because I have thoroughly (as someone with a science background) researched both sides of the vaccine argument.
I will not be complicit with a so called medicine that requires the use of aborted foetal cells for its production, because abortion is murder.
The argument that there were only 1 or 2 abortions that happened many years ago, does not bide well with my conscience. And when one looks into things further there is the issue of senescence to contend with when it comes to those cells. I mean why do you think there is still a market for aborted foetal cells for biotech companies?
I cannot and will not one on hand oppose abortion, but in the other accept a 'medicine' tainted with abortion. I will not destroy my conscience like that and act double minded.
Nor will inject my body with genetically modified substances (as is the situation with the hepatitis B vaccine which are propagated on genetically modified yeast cells).I do not believe it is within God's will for humans to tamper with creation like that!!
I will put my faith in God's word and His protection as in Psalm 91, which promises protection from plagues.
It is my God given right to do so, and it is my God given right to follow my conscience on this issue.
I find it absolutely shocking that there are Christians out there that judge others for their pro choice stance on the topic of vaccines. That is all I will say..
 
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There are some who cannot learn, but by their own failures. The wise learn from the failures of others. Judging by your post, you are one of the latter. Judging by the post of he to whom you reply, he is one of the former. I doubt your words will cause him to repent - such people usually only repent through the cold, hard facts of life (e.g. a vaccine injury in themselves, or someone close to them).

When the mark of the Beast comes out, it will be too late to repent for those who receive it.
 
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Just look at your post below. You claim to know what is going on in the heads of other people.
Your statement is false. I described behaviour, not motive - it is a reckless act to refuse vaccination regardless of motive.

Lol. You can't prove this statement. And because you can't, based on your post above, I'm sure if you looked, you would find yourself fascinating.
I obviously can support my assertion that refusing vaccination is reckless - are you unaware of the mountains of historical evidence about the value of vaccinations? What you and your cohorts need to explain is why would virtually all duly qualified experts agree that refusing vaccination puts other people at risk?

No doubt, a very entertaining theory about how all these experts are in league to deceive will be forthcoming.
 
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