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Real spies compared to movies

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I wonder how of much of it real.

I don't think they chase each other on rooftops (what a very silly thing to do!) or cause a massive vehicle pile up on the freeway in perfect weather conditions.

What I do believe is they receive advanced combat training in the use of firearms and in hand-to-hand combat (am I even wrong here?).

Advance vehicular driving / piloting skills (like how cops are given advanced driving training and then teaching them to fly planes and helicopters).

Another question, did they ever get the chance or did anyone ever made use of their advanced training during operations like when they blew their cover (or think they blew their cover and then swiftly executing protocols to get extracted)??

Perhaps, the only times I see something almost as remotely ridiculous on the news are drug-related operations where it's possible some of the people involved are undercover DEA agents.

Yet I don't think the government-enlisted spies do any action themselves. They'd recruit local "assets" as much as they could like people who already work for a warlord or high ranking officers of an enemy faction so the spies don't do any crazy action themselves but simply doing the boring task of managing assets.

So all the spies do is recruit and manage local assets like a human resource manager in a fake shop where other people are on standby for extraction is about the only action they'll see but I strongly doubt it involves any high speed car chases.

So here goes, if my assumption that real spies hardly see any action and many possibly never seeing one, do they receive any advanced training at all?

Another assumption I have is that spies are grouped into specific tasks on the field. One group is focused on gathering data while another group is focused on ensuring the safety of the other group (obviously not posing like a bodyguard nor following the other group closely as that would make them stick out and ruin the element of stealth or subterfuge). People work more efficiently focused on fewer tasks rather than multi-tasking on many different tasks.

I think it's still the elite soldier groups like Spec Ops, Delta Force, Green Beret, etc that see spy-movie like action and even if they get recruited as spies, they stop seeing any more action as spies.
 

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I wonder how of much of it real.

I don't think they chase each other on rooftops (what a very silly thing to do!) or cause a massive vehicle pile up on the freeway in perfect weather conditions.

What I do believe is they receive advanced combat training in the use of firearms and in hand-to-hand combat (am I even wrong here?).

Advance vehicular driving / piloting skills (like how cops are given advanced driving training and then teaching them to fly planes and helicopters).

Another question, did they ever get the chance or did anyone ever made use of their advanced training during operations like when they blew their cover (or think they blew their cover and then swiftly executing protocols to get extracted)??

Perhaps, the only times I see something almost as remotely ridiculous on the news are drug-related operations where it's possible some of the people involved are undercover DEA agents.

Yet I don't think the government-enlisted spies do any action themselves. They'd recruit local "assets" as much as they could like people who already work for a warlord or high ranking officers of an enemy faction so the spies don't do any crazy action themselves but simply doing the boring task of managing assets.

So all the spies do is recruit and manage local assets like a human resource manager in a fake shop where other people are on standby for extraction is about the only action they'll see but I strongly doubt it involves any high speed car chases.

So here goes, if my assumption that real spies hardly see any action and many possibly never seeing one, do they receive any advanced training at all?

Another assumption I have is that spies are grouped into specific tasks on the field. One group is focused on gathering data while another group is focused on ensuring the safety of the other group (obviously not posing like a bodyguard nor following the other group closely as that would make them stick out and ruin the element of stealth or subterfuge). People work more efficiently focused on fewer tasks rather than multi-tasking on many different tasks.

I think it's still the elite soldier groups like Spec Ops, Delta Force, Green Beret, etc that see spy-movie like action and even if they get recruited as spies, they stop seeing any more action as spies.
I expect it is usually a lot more simple than that. Everyone gets used and uses others. Many fit so well into their niche they are fat and out of shape; I would expect that many are 'turned' for whatever they are useful to do, such as to be in the right place to learn secrets, that have nothing to do with training. As with any kind of illicit 'organization' like gangs, some people just get sucked in, and then don't have what it takes to quit.
 
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I expect it is usually a lot more simple than that. Everyone gets used and uses others. Many fit so well into their niche they are fat and out of shape; I would expect that many are 'turned' for whatever they are useful to do, such as to be in the right place to learn secrets, that have nothing to do with training. As with any kind of illicit 'organization' like gangs, some people just get sucked in, and then don't have what it takes to quit.
Sounds like this spy character: Charlie Wilson's War (2007) Based on the real spy: Gust Avrakotos - Wikipedia
 
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I expect it is usually a lot more simple than that. Everyone gets used and uses others. Many fit so well into their niche they are fat and out of shape; I would expect that many are 'turned' for whatever they are useful to do, such as to be in the right place to learn secrets, that have nothing to do with training. As with any kind of illicit 'organization' like gangs, some people just get sucked in, and then don't have what it takes to quit.

Then it must only be the elite combat units currently in armed forces posting (not any spy agency) who sees any action.

I probably see some of the CIA and MI6 staff and possibly others from other agencies in another side of the world where they are mostly accommodated as foreign diplomats. The don't look like combatants at all. Not even the slightest hint. They look just like a regular white collar professional.
 
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Then it must only be the elite combat units currently in armed forces posting (not any spy agency) who sees any action.

I probably see some of the CIA and MI6 staff and possibly others from other agencies in another side of the world where they are mostly accommodated as foreign diplomats. The don't look like combatants at all. Not even the slightest hint. They look just like a regular white collar professional.
Take, for example, the owners of so many gas stations across the country. From India. What do we really know about them? They seem like simple foreigners who want to make an honest living, and I say, good for them! My guess is that that is the case for all of them. But it may be possible one or more of them has more than that going on. They are not diplomats.

But I'm not at all saying diplomats aren't often spies. I'm just guessing that ordinary appearance can be very ordinary, and we might have no inkling that they would even know anything worth reporting on, or that they may be 'sleepers' waiting for their assignments.
 
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You are on the right track. NCIS the show has quite a few officers killed. In reality only 6 have died in the line of duty. The last was in 2004 of a heart attack. Others were most often a car accident. I applaud their service, btu the TV is way far from reality yet it has to hype of the stuff to make it entertaining. United States Naval Criminal Investigative Service, US
 
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You are on the right track. NCIS the show has quite a few officers killed. In reality only 6 have died in the line of duty. The last was in 2004 of a heart attack. Others were most often a car accident. I applaud their service, btu the TV is way far from reality yet it has to hype of the stuff to make it entertaining. United States Naval Criminal Investigative Service, US
Concerning 'entertainment' it may be off-topic, but I just last night saw an old picture I had taken years ago, I think, pretty revealing:
 

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