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hello,

I will dare to post something a bit personal here...but wont get too specific. Anyways I am glad for this forum to come. I grew up the oldest of 3 in alcoholic abusive home. My dad got drunk on a regular basis and would then normally get out of control emotionally- crying, yelling, bullying, raging and on quite a few times embarrassed us, also put us in harms way by driving us little kids around while drunk, etc.

My mom was detached emotionally and very cold, unfeeling, and didnt take responsibility or act like the parent- (didnt protect us, never attempted to intervene, she would typically go to work, or go to another room, to escape. Once she even sent us on a vacation with him, when my brother was only 2 yrs old, my sister 6, and me 9) the whole time he was so drunk out of his mind,screaming threats at my little sister, if dcs had seen that we would have been in foster care.

Now to my point of posting. I grew up in this environment as a teenager I got depressed, panic attacks and also a serious eating disorder that almost took my life. Thru all this,there was no acknowledgment on my parents part that "gee, maybe this has something to do with drunk ol dad, and abuse?" it was treated as if it was something out of the blue. My parents took me to a counselor, of course they didnt mention the part about WHY I might be struggling. The counselor really was nice and helpful in some things but never really probed to find out why I was struggling. My parents were from a wealthy area and i think she just assumed, "oh, a 'nice' family from x town, '

I was too timid to tell her about the drinking/abuse, so seh just assumed I had issues with anxiety and depression, without any real reason. She told them I was depressed and then I took medicine for it.
I wish so badly I had the courage to tell her, but I was afraid of my dad, and thought if she confronted him with it, somethign horribnle would happen.
Over the years, now i'm an adult. I still have some amount of depression, trouble making decisions. It makes me really angry that my mom who could never admit the past keeps up the 'story' that 'gee, honey, you know your depressed'. It is veyr patronizing and skips over the whole issue of why.
My brother who was much younger than I growing up doesnt have a conscious memory of all of what went on, and the memory he does have, he denies.
I dont understand why he would feel the need to prop up some pseudo reality, saying only that sometimes dad may have had a little too much to drink. A LITTLE TOO MUCH? drinking until your stumbling, swearing, crying, yelling and bullying people, swerving in the car while driving every single weekend is 'a little too much'??
It also makes me angry that as the oldest I was exposed to most of it, since my dad finally gave up the bottle when I was close to my senior year in high school, too late for me to have a childhood- but my sister was 15, and my brother was only 12 at that point, so he had a good number of years where there wasnt drinking in the home.
I feel this is betrayal, disloyalty to me, for him to deny or dismiss the damage this caused me. Its also morally wrong to do so.
I admit I have low energy, it's hard to get motivated and be decisive, and I tend to be somewhat anxious, but also I know most of this is the conditioning of my childhood, since I grew up in emotional void, with no nurturing and little emotional security. It's no wonder I had panic attacks as a teenager. I resent that the real underlying reason was never addressed, and my mom and brother who look the other way to my dad's abuse, patronize me by saying 'you just need to take care of 'your depression'".
WHy dont they think my dad should have 'taken care of his alcoholism?"
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Hello there,

It's good that you came here to talk about this. I was wondering, does your father still suffer from alcoholism?

I think I see why your mother didn't intervene, because she in a way, she was victim too. Perhaps she didn't' know what to do or maybe she was helpless. I think being in situation like that, would numb someone like that.

Well, I don't know what else to say really, accept that I think I could see way why you feel betrayed, I would too if I was in that situation.
 
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Passionfruit,

hello, nice to 'meet' you!!
In answer to your question, no he doesnt drink anymore> He drank throughout my childhood and finally stopped right as I was at the end of high school-- some timing, huh?

As far as my mom, I feel she acted very selfishly. I can understand back in the 1970's that it was harder to get help for things like that, it was more taboo, and she was probably hesitant to bring it out in the open.HOwever she should have taken some basic measures - such as not send us alone with him for a vacation for 2 weeks, since she knew he normally would get super drunk on vacations, i can't justify her sending us off with him. It seems like it gave HER a break from it all, but put us kids in harms way.
Also, she should not have left us alone with him while she went traipsing off to work in the evenings. When she went back to work, it was mostly on weekend afternoon-- yet this is the time he would start drinking, and she knew that. WHy would she pick a time that was not safe to go to work, when we didnt need the money? Even if she needed the money, which I dont see evidence of, surely she should have put her childrens health and wellbeing as the most important factor and worked at a time such as when we were in school. RIght? I mean, I totlaly understand to a degree her fear or hesitancy in actaully leaving him. It wasnt done much in the 70's, and I'm sure that felt overwhelming to her. But then to turn around and leave us with him, while she went off somewhere to give herself a break? That seems negligent to me, I would say it would be considered child neglect or endangerment.
 
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Hello, and welcome to the forum. You'll find plenty of people here to talk to and get support from...we're a friendly bunch!

Thanks for sharing your story...that was really good of you and brave of you to do this. I didn't grow up with abusive parents, but I was abused when I was little...it takes away the whole of your childhood. We have problems dealing with this now when we try to make decisions and when we react to something. Are you getting any help now?

As for your mum, like what PassionFruit said, she might have been going through it as well. I am not condoning though that what she did was right, but it would explain a few things. A parent should never leave their kids in an abusive situation, let alone be the abuser.

With your brother, I can also understand why he would want to deny things. It is really hard facing up to the truth abiut your past, especially when the past is not as rosey as it seems. He might just find it easier to deal with things the way he is doing. Just be ready to be there when he does want to talk...you can't hide from the past for the rest of your life. Sooner or later, it comes back.
 
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thank you...
I really appreciate your support. I think that if my parents had ever, even once, taken responsibility for what they did, at least if they had in some way apologized or tried to make amends, that would take away alot of the feeling of injustice. I have made mistakes as a parent myself but always am humble enough, (usually!!) to show my daughter that I will own up to my mistake and apologize to her. What bothers me more t han their actual abuse/neglect, is the fact they seem so okay with themselves. They went to a counselor with me, and became prideful when the counselor tried to suggest some of their actions were wrong...instead of feeling badly, and showing some empathy to me for what they did, they actually acted as if they had some moral highground to stand on, became haughty, rude to the counselor as if they were above it all. The counselor later told me not to bring them back, as they are not people she can work with.
Anyways, that's my feelings on it-- the wound would not be half as bad if they would have had the empathy and humility to own up to and apologize. Since they have NOT done that, to me, what it says, is that they do not feel bad at all, or care, about what they did, and mostly care about themselves.
As a parent, I can't understand that. If my daughter hurts, I hurt at least as much or more than she does. That's how it normally is for (normal) parents. But they dont seem to feel anything, they do not seem to have the normal parental feelings of love, being protective, hurting if your kids hurt....its as if they are missing something.
anyways, again, appreciate y'all!!!
 
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Hi Cookiebaker,

I feel your pain. It's totally normal to be angry about your childhood. I too had a drinking dad. We had to assess the situation every night when he came home to decide how to "act". Sometimes he would just love me to pieces (the happy drunk) and hug me (a little too much). Other nights he'd disown me and say I wasn't his. There were a couple of years when it was really bad... it seemed like almost every night he would get in an argument with my mom. Sometimes he'd wake us kids up and plan their separation (which never existed once the alcohol wore off). Then I'd have to get up for school in the morning and go throughout my day like nothing was wrong. Oh joy.

Later in life there were times when my dad didn't drink as much. By then I had built up a wall. So we were never really close. Unfortunately, he died several years ago. I forgive him most of the time. (Forgiveness is a hard process for me).

Growing up, my family was no where near perfect and I'm the only one that seems to remember that. So I can identify with you there.

Take care.
 
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hi Bianca,

I was wondering if you were the oldest growing up? I think some of why my brother doesnt remember or denies it is he was at a different stage of life- when much of this was going on he was a baby/toddler, litle boy, I was 8,9,10 yrs and up. BY the time my dad stopped drinkin he was only 11 or 12, I was getting ready to wrap up my high school career. Quite different in amount of time he had to live with it, I lived with it my whole growing up yrs
 
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hi Bianca,

I was wondering if you were the oldest growing up? I think some of why my brother doesnt remember or denies it is he was at a different stage of life- when much of this was going on he was a baby/toddler, litle boy, I was 8,9,10 yrs and up. BY the time my dad stopped drinkin he was only 11 or 12, I was getting ready to wrap up my high school career. Quite different in amount of time he had to live with it, I lived with it my whole growing up yrs

Hi Cookiebaker,

I am actually the youngest. My father drank for most of his life. In my situation everything came down on me. Curiously, my sister, who is the oldest, doesn't remember a lot of this. She tries to put on a show like we had the perfect family or something. It's very frustrating for me because not only that, but, my older brother molested me. So I don't feel very comfortable at family get-togethers. I get made out to be the weird one if I don't conform to the lies.

At one time, I would drink occasionally. One whole summer in my late 20's I would get drunk every weekend. Now that I am a Mommy I have chosen not to drink. I never want my child to smell alcohol on my breath. For me it always meant inconsistency, fear, walking on eggshells, acting and hurt.

I'm really sorry that you went through this with your dad. It must have been so scary for you. Please share more if it helps. That's why we're here... to help each other.

Take care.
 
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thank you...
I really appreciate your support. I think that if my parents had ever, even once, taken responsibility for what they did, at least if they had in some way apologized or tried to make amends, that would take away alot of the feeling of injustice. I have made mistakes as a parent myself but always am humble enough, (usually!!) to show my daughter that I will own up to my mistake and apologize to her. What bothers me more t han their actual abuse/neglect, is the fact they seem so okay with themselves. They went to a counselor with me, and became prideful when the counselor tried to suggest some of their actions were wrong...instead of feeling badly, and showing some empathy to me for what they did, they actually acted as if they had some moral highground to stand on, became haughty, rude to the counselor as if they were above it all. The counselor later told me not to bring them back, as they are not people she can work with.
Anyways, that's my feelings on it-- the wound would not be half as bad if they would have had the empathy and humility to own up to and apologize. Since they have NOT done that, to me, what it says, is that they do not feel bad at all, or care, about what they did, and mostly care about themselves.
As a parent, I can't understand that. If my daughter hurts, I hurt at least as much or more than she does. That's how it normally is for (normal) parents. But they dont seem to feel anything, they do not seem to have the normal parental feelings of love, being protective, hurting if your kids hurt....its as if they are missing something.
anyways, again, appreciate y'all!!!


I stand in proxy for your mom. I come to you with tears in my eyes and I confess to you I was not there to protect you from the abuse you suffered from your father. I was wrong. I ask you to forgive me for being so void of compassion and understanding. Please forgive me. I'm so sorry and I love you.




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Abusers seldom can accept their wrong. Their inner being is shut off from being able to do that.

It would really help for you to be able to talk about your childhood with a wise person who could also pray with you as needed. Support and understanding in the present can really assist in dealing with the past.

Bless you
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