Reading through Job

[Stryder06]

So I've decided to read through Job again. If anyone is interested please feel free to join me. I'm only up to chapter 7. I'll figure we can post questions and have discussions here.

 

[Rhamiel]

great idea, i love the Wisdom Liteature

 

[visionary]

Who are the ones who were with God when Satan came into the gathering?

 

[Stryder06]

great idea, i love the Wisdom Liteature

Looking forward to your participation

 

[Stryder06]

Who are the ones who were with God when Satan came into the gathering?

Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan[b] also came among them. 7 And the LORD said to Satan, “From where do you come?”
So Satan answered the LORD and said, “From going to and fro on the earth, and from walking back and forth on it.”
8 Then the LORD said to Satan, “Have you considered My servant Job, that there is none like him on the earth, a blameless and upright man, one who fears God and shuns evil?”
9 So Satan answered the LORD and said, “Does Job fear God for nothing? 10 Have You not made a hedge around him, around his household, and around all that he has on every side? You have blessed the work of his hands, and his possessions have increased in the land. 11 But now, stretch out Your hand and touch all that he has, and he will surely curse You to Your face!”
12 And the LORD said to Satan, “Behold, all that he has is in your power; only do not lay a hand on his person.”
So Satan went out from the presence of the LORD.

I believe that the "son's of God" are representatives from other unfallen worlds. Notice how during this gathering Satan shows up as the representative of Earth. I believe he thought he belonged there since the others were there.

 

[simonthezealot]

I think Job is a perfect picture of God teaching Satan the liar about eternal security and perseverance of the saints.

 

[Stryder06]

I had a question about the following passage:

“Now a word was secretly brought to me,
And my ear received a whisper of it. 13 In disquieting thoughts from the visions of the night,
When deep sleep falls on men,
14 Fear came upon me, and trembling,
Which made all my bones shake.
15 Then a spirit passed before my face;
The hair on my body stood up.
16 It stood still,
But I could not discern its appearance.
A form was before my eyes;
There was silence;
Then I heard a voice saying:
17 ‘Can a mortal be more righteous than God?
Can a man be more pure than his Maker?
18 If He puts no trust in His servants,
If He charges His angels with error,
19 How much more those who dwell in houses of clay,
Whose foundation is in the dust,
Who are crushed before a moth?

I'm wondering if Eliphaz was just speaking metaphorically here about something he thought during the night season, or if he actually heard this message from a spirit which I believe would have been an angel, one I would think was fallen.

 

[Fireinfolding]

I never trusted reading their words because of what the Lord said of what they spoke

Job 42:7... the LORD said to Eliphaz the Temanite, My wrath is kindled against thee, and against thy two friends: for ye have not spoken of me the thing that is right, as my servant Job hath.

And Job said...

Job 13:4 But ye are forgers of lies, ye are all physicians of no value.

How could we?

 

[visionary]

I believe that the "son's of God" are representatives from other unfallen worlds. Notice how during this gathering Satan shows up as the representative of Earth. I believe he thought he belonged there since the others were there.

Reminds me of some scifi movies where you have a great gathering of strange creatures as representatives from their universes..

Why is it so hard to imagine that out in space are multitudes of God’s creations which habit other galaxies, and other solar systems? We sit and watch science fiction regarding space battles in far away planetary places
and we can not see that it could well be true. No so much the wars any more. For God said the war was over in Heaven. There will come a time when we will get to see all of heaven and all that God created in the entire universe and

Ephesians 3:15 Of whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named

So with that for variety, I think we will have plenty to admire and praise God for. God said

Revelation 5:3 And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon.

Since we know that He wasn’t talking about Yeshua who was able to open the book, there is indication that there are other “men” in heaven. They are also called every creature, which gives you the understanding that they are not all looking as we do.

Revelation 5:13 And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.

It almost sounds like the entire universe that God has created has been populated with many multitudes of creatures, men of heaven, as he says from one end of heaven to the other. The entire universe has been well informed of our creation and the controversy with regard to the acusations of Satan. God asked His other creations if they have every seen the like, where God would lay down His life for His creations. Had they even heard such a thing?

Deuteronomy 4:32 For ask now of the days that are past, which were before thee, since the day that God created man upon the earth, and ask from the one side of heaven unto the other, whether there has been any such thing as this great thing is, or has been heard like it?

Matthew 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them.

By all these verses, it is to see that we are not alone in the universe, and that God has created beings that are in his universe and not just on this planet. When all things are new, we will be able to go visit these places that they live and meet with these beings that God has created. I also think that we are the only planet that sinned.

Luke 15:7 I say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just persons, which need no repentance.

Well, we know there is no one other than Yeshua that had needed no repentance on this earth so that rules out this planet that Yeshua was talking about. On the other planets that are inhabited, they may have never sinned and are just persons and needed no repentance, thereby be the ones that are fulfilling God’s words. It wasn’t that they were not being accused of lots of things by Satan. They were just righteously following God’s Law and never deviated from it. Satan was boldly thrown out of heaven and those that needed no repentance were no longer being pestered, accused before God any more. And they that live in heaven
rejoiced.

Rev 12:10 for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night 12 Therefore, rejoice, you heavens, and you that dwell in them, Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! For the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knows that he has but a short time.

The war in heaven is won by God and Satan lost. The issue was over, and the devil and His angels are thrown out. We know that when Job was alive, that Satan was still allowed in heaven’s courts. Was it the death of Yeshua on the cross that resolved it in Heaven to have nothing more to do with HaSatan? No place was found in heaven for HaSatan. This earth is HaSatan’s last strong hold. We are the final battle ground in this war. God will win this war here also. Is it resolved in your own heart, and are you wanting HaSatan cast out of you forever too?

Hebrews 2:3 How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him;

 

[Stryder06]

I never trusted reading their words because of what the Lord said of what they spoke

Job 42:7... the LORD said to Eliphaz the Temanite, My wrath is kindled against thee, and against thy two friends: for ye have not spoken of me the thing that is right, as my servant Job hath.

And Job said...

Job 13:4 But ye are forgers of lies, ye are all physicians of no value.

How could we?

I don't think it was their words per se that were the problem but how they formed the. Essentially they were going on saying that God must be punishing Job because of some evil he had done. This was incorrect, and that is why God's wrath was kindled against them.

 

[Stryder06]

Reminds me of some scifi movies where you have a great gathering of strange creatures as representatives from their universes..

Minus the strange creature part, perhaps. Satan has always been imitative instead of innovative.

Why is it so hard to imagine that out in space are multitudes of God’s creations which habit other galaxies, and other solar systems? We sit and watch science fiction regarding space battles in far away planetary places
and we can not see that it could well be true. No so much the wars any more. For God said the war was over in Heaven. There will come a time when we will get to see all of heaven and all that God created in the entire universe and

Very true. I for one believe that all planets have inhabitants. I think God made planets to be inhabited. Most likely our Solar System was evacuated, or even yet, left incomplete, until the sin problem is dealt with.

 

[Fireinfolding]

I don't think it was their words per se that were the problem but how they formed the. Essentially they were going on saying that God must be punishing Job because of some evil he had done. This was incorrect, and that is why God's wrath was kindled against them.

God does adress what they had spoken bro, Im hessitent to ever quote them given Gods judgment at the end concerning their words

Then
Job 40:8 Wilt thou also disannul my judgment? wilt thou condemn me, that thou mayest be righteous?

 

[Chesterton]

This is really good, IMO:

Introduction to THE BOOK OF JOB by G.K.C.

 

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[Stryder06]

God does adress what they had spoken bro, Im hessitent to ever quote them given Gods judgment at the end concerning their words

Then
Job 40:8 Wilt thou also disannul my judgment? wilt thou condemn me, that thou mayest be righteous?

If I say "Who can question the judgment of God?" Am I asking an incorrect question? Not at all. However, if I speak it out of context then it becomes an issue. That's what was going on here, but hey, that's just my take. For what its worth I wasn't sure about quoting from them either.

 

[granpa]

I think the central question of Job is whether God is himself subject to his own laws.

 

[Fireinfolding]

If I say "Who can question the judgment of God?" Am I asking an incorrect question? Not at all. However, if I speak it out of context then it becomes an issue. That's what was going on here, but hey, that's just my take. For what its worth I wasn't sure about quoting from them either.

Very possible bro, somewhere Job says, "who does not know these things" ? Or something to that effect so its highly unlikely that everything they spake is faulted, I get brain freeze reading the words of his freinds so I stick with Job

Carry on

 

[razeontherock]

Curious about this translation from the OP's post:

Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came among them. 7 And the LORD said to Satan, “From where do you come?”
So Satan answered the LORD and said, “From going to and fro on the earth, and from walking back and forth on it.”

I always took note of this peculiarity in the KJV:

"Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it."

Thoughts?

Job is a MARVELOUS book! I hold it to be older than Genesis, and it begins by doing the same thing Gen 1 does. There's also a HUGE tie-in between what G-d accomplishes via Job, and what He does w/ Isaac .... both justifying what He has now done via Christ

 

[Stryder06]

Curious about this translation from the OP's post:

Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came among them. 7 And the LORD said to Satan, “From where do you come?”
So Satan answered the LORD and said, “From going to and fro on the earth, and from walking back and forth on it.”

I always took note of this peculiarity in the KJV:

"Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it."

Thoughts?

Job is a MARVELOUS book! I hold it to be older than Genesis, and it begins by doing the same thing Gen 1 does. There's also a HUGE tie-in between what G-d accomplishes via Job, and what He does w/ Isaac .... both justifying what He has now done via Christ

Not exactly sure what you're asking. I don't see a particular difference in the translations here. I think it was just semantics. Satan is just saying to God I was walking back and forth and here and there on my turf.

 

[razeontherock]

Wow. Look at the bolded parts: on vs IN. Considering the material in question, this is SUBSTANTIAL!