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I believe the biblical model is to "teach all nations" first. Preach the Gospel. Affect real change in society by making disciples. God's law is part of the Gospel and not something added on.
You have presented me with an either-or fallacy. I would like government to operate according to scripture and if I had to sprinkle my baby because the Presbyterians were running things I would. Brother, what you fail to see is that the US has established a religion which includes sacrificial offers to their god and worship of self (abortion).Let me ask it this way --The First Amendment says "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion", unlike, for example, the Vatican, where the Church IS the government. Is the Vatican's government the sort of thing you would prefer?
Great. Agreed. So when does the theonomy come into it?
I'm not sure what the question is.
When thou buildest a new house, then thou shalt make a battlement for thy roof, that thou bring not blood upon thine house, if any man fall from thence. Deut. 22:8
The general equity of the Law would make the home owner responsible for his property and it would be his duty to secure the roof area (if used) to prevent people from falling off.
Does that help?
Haha now it looks like YOU are giving me an either-or fallacy! Yes, I did that on purpose to try to get you to be more forthcoming. But I think I have my answer now. So, thank you.You have presented me with an either-or fallacy. I would like government to operate according to scripture and if I had to sprinkle my baby because the Presbyterians were running things I would. Brother, what you fail to see is that the US has established a religion which includes sacrificial offers to their god and worship of self (abortion).
Secularism is a form of religion not the lack of one.
Haha now it looks like YOU are giving me an either-or fallacy! Yes, I did that on purpose to try to get you to be more forthcoming. But I think I have my answer now. So, thank you.
For what it is worth, and I don't mean this to denigrate you, the Constitution of the US is not anti-God.
But present day use (or rather, non-use) of it is. But the framers of the Constitution knew from experience and history that Church-run government does not last,
and I know that if some sect were to take over the same way Globalists and Progressives have taken over, the rest of us Christians would be in a bad way.
I'm in favor of the First Amendment, until Christ sets up his government. We can't usher that in.
And don't worry, I am not blind to what is going on here in the US. It's a lot more than just abortion --it is purposed destruction of mankind, in the long run, and certainly the ruin of the US meanwhile, and, of course, destruction by spiritual warfare against God on every front.
In what way, do you think, these passages imply "ushering in the Kingdom"?Dan. 7
13 “I was watching in the night visions,
And behold, One like the Son of Man,
Coming with the clouds of heaven!
He came to the Ancient of Days,
And they brought Him near before Him.
14 Then to Him was given dominion and glory and a kingdom,
That all peoples, nations, and languages should serve Him.
His dominion is an everlasting dominion,
Which shall not pass away,
And His kingdom the one
Which shall not be destroyed.
Christ "came to the Ancient of Days," God the Father and was "given dominion and glory and a kingdom." Our Lord has given us very clear instructions to make disciples and restated His authority in the Great Commission, "And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth." Matthew 28
You presented the notion that a good government cannot be by the United States Constitution. You didn't allow, for 'workable' even. And you imply that a less-than-theocratic Government is still going to work well, as long as it is Christian.Choosing between Christ and the (fill in the blank) is a fallacy? I presented you with a Gospel truth while you presented a secular fallacy.
Sorry, missed this.In what way, do you think, these passages imply "ushering in the Kingdom"?
One thing I like about the 2nd amendment is that it prohibits any religion from 'taking over'. I'm pretty sure there will come a time when most will jump at the opportunity for a religious government and its 'saviour', and it won't be Christ.
You presented the notion that a good government cannot be by the United States Constitution. You didn't allow, for 'workable' even. And you imply that a less-than-theocratic Government is still going to work well, as long as it is Christian.
But my line of questions began with the hope of finding out if you meant you are in favor of a government that 'ushers in' Christ's kingdom. The JWs claim they are the ones to do this. Imagine if they were to become the government of a country.
The intention of the 1st amendment is not for Government to save from religion. Government is specifically prohibited from doing anything about religion, (except, of course, where a religion may interfere with other laws, concerning such as murder, kidnapping, freedom of speech and so on).Sorry, missed this.
The Constitution is a good document but the role it was given was that of "saviour" from religion. It is the final authority over all religions including Christianity.
The Kingdom slowly grows over time and Christ's dominion increases over time. see Parable of the Mustard Seed
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