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Rats,Roaches,Fleas,and Tics

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Organized Chaos said:
I haven't had many problems with rats, roaches, fleas, or ticks, but I do occasionally have spiders in my house. I just trap them in a cup and toss them outside. I'm not morally opposed to killing pests; I just don't like bug guts smeared on my wallpaper. ;)
I hate bug guts too especially roach guts and how they always leave a couple of leggs behind.I'm a 200 lb macho man but if I see a big roach crawl across the room I'll scream like a woman and nobody will sleep until I have found that roach and killed him,I have a phobia of big roaches.
 
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Myah said:
I find that to mildly offensive for some reason but I'll let it slide.




We weren't talking about people. And plus, since we come from different spiritual beliefs, we aren't going to agree, so lets just end this now. This isn't the thread for this argument
I didn't mean to be offensive,I wasn't aware that I was so forgive me please,I have nothing against Pagans or wiccans but I don't think I verred from the subject wich is should an lifeform be wiped out because of the acts of a few.
 
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Zug-Zwang said:
I didn't mean to be offensive,I wasn't aware that I was so forgive me please,I have nothing against Pagans or wiccans but I don't think I verred from the subject wich is should an lifeform be wiped out because of the acts of a few.


AH..okay then :)

If that's the subject...then in my opinion, no they should not. Even in the bible, God didn't wipe out the entire human race during the flood. He saved some. I don't think that if someone is a Christian (or any other faith for that matter) that they have the right to decide if a species should live or die as a whole.
In my opinion, a species shouldn't bear the punishment for the actions an individual of the species. (although for ticks I may make an exception :p )
 
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Zug-Zwang said:
If you are a Pagan or Wiccan,you might believe that everything has a right to live,maybe even a murdering child molester but that logic would mean not protecting yourself and your family.
Speaking as a Wiccan, the right to exist of that "murdering child molester"
is weighed against the harm that person has done, and if they've commited
murder and molested children, you don't get much more reviled by Wiccans
than that. As far as protecting one's family, a common axiom among the
Pagans I know is "Your rights end where mine begin." A Wiccan would not
have a problem stopping an intruder if the alternative is their own harm, or the harm of their family.

Now, to go back to your original proposition, which was the elimination of
tics, fleas, roaches, and rats, your supports so far for your stance seem to
be the potential of harm present in each organism, and the "disease vector"
risk. If you're going to eliminate something because it's a disease vector,
then prarie dogs need to be eliminated in the United States (host for
a type of flea that carries the bubonic plague, and there's still about 15
cases of the plague here a year), armadilloes need to go away (leprosy),
and a great number of domestic animals around the world (rabies,
viral and bacterial infection from claws, etc.)

An entire group of lifeforms cannot be wiped out without an impact on
the environment. Some of what you propose eliminating are scavengers
who are part of the decomposition cycle. Your post reminded me of
a piece of fiction I read once (I say fiction because it's set in the future,
not because of the philosophies involved) wherein a Jain ran into problems
with a farmer who offered her honey. The Jain felt the honey was stolen,
the farmer noted the locusts who'd destroyed his crop the previous year
were not concerned about stealing food from him, and informed the Jain
that he wished all insects would die. The Jain died and was later reincarnated
into a world with no insects. There were no insects to process other animals'
waste. There were no insects to pollinate plants. There were no insects
for other animals to eat. Without pollination, certain plants were not
reproducing. Without plants, herbivores had nothing to eat and
photosynthesis was not taking place. Humans faced shortages of food
sources (animal and vegetable) and oxygen. Through science and effort,
Man was able to carve out a subsistence living by doing what insects
did as part of their existence. Also, simply eliminating a species does not
prevent another one from moving in to the created niche. If you get rid
of rats, something else becomes the new rat.

Oh, and your frined with the two kids with health problems from the roaches?
Child PRotective Services refers to that as failing to maintain a clean home
environment, and punishes the parents, not the roaches.
 
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Fuzzy said:
Speaking as a Wiccan, the right to exist of that "murdering child molester"
is weighed against the harm that person has done, and if they've commited
murder and molested children, you don't get much more reviled by Wiccans
than that. As far as protecting one's family, a common axiom among the
Pagans I know is "Your rights end where mine begin." A Wiccan would not
have a problem stopping an intruder if the alternative is their own harm, or the harm of their family.

Now, to go back to your original proposition, which was the elimination of
tics, fleas, roaches, and rats, your supports so far for your stance seem to
be the potential of harm present in each organism, and the "disease vector"
risk. If you're going to eliminate something because it's a disease vector,
then prarie dogs need to be eliminated in the United States (host for
a type of flea that carries the bubonic plague, and there's still about 15
cases of the plague here a year), armadilloes need to go away (leprosy),
and a great number of domestic animals around the world (rabies,
viral and bacterial infection from claws, etc.)

An entire group of lifeforms cannot be wiped out without an impact on
the environment. Some of what you propose eliminating are scavengers
who are part of the decomposition cycle. Your post reminded me of
a piece of fiction I read once (I say fiction because it's set in the future,
not because of the philosophies involved) wherein a Jain ran into problems
with a farmer who offered her honey. The Jain felt the honey was stolen,
the farmer noted the locusts who'd destroyed his crop the previous year
were not concerned about stealing food from him, and informed the Jain
that he wished all insects would die. The Jain died and was later reincarnated
into a world with no insects. There were no insects to process other animals'
waste. There were no insects to pollinate plants. There were no insects
for other animals to eat. Without pollination, certain plants were not
reproducing. Without plants, herbivores had nothing to eat and
photosynthesis was not taking place. Humans faced shortages of food
sources (animal and vegetable) and oxygen. Through science and effort,
Man was able to carve out a subsistence living by doing what insects
did as part of their existence. Also, simply eliminating a species does not
prevent another one from moving in to the created niche. If you get rid
of rats, something else becomes the new rat.

Oh, and your frined with the two kids with health problems from the roaches?
Child PRotective Services refers to that as failing to maintain a clean home
environment, and punishes the parents, not the roaches.
Very good point,Like Sharks who kill seals.If we kill all the sharks there would be way too many seals and the fish would disappear from the ocean
 
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Opalina said:
Hi!

Never seen a live cockroach :eek: Where do you live? I"ll be right there!
I'm in a coastal town in SoCal, and we have ones by the beach that can nearly look you in the eye :help: !

I don't like to kill anything if I can help it-except ants. I hate ants more than any of the above, and there's just too many to sweep out with a broom.
I live in Portland, OR. I guess all the roaches hide when they see me, for I've never actually laid eyes on one. From the sound of it, I don't want to...
:)
 
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Zug-Zwang said:
Yes roaches will bite.

Wow, didnt know that, one more reason to not like them.

Zug-Zwang said:
I can handle snakes,spiders and many different things but I can't stomach a roach.

DITTO! hehe i can handle everything else EXCEPT roaches. Well, bees. i respect them and think they are facinating, its just the fact of a flying stinging thing that i fear. =)

Blessed Be,

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:D You forgot LICE! Eeeeek :eek: What about Lice?
I agree with those who said to squish 'em if they infest your food, bed, clothing or hair.
Back in 1993 or 4 I was cursing the evil mosquitoes which had made my day in the woods miserable. I yelled at God and said "GOD! Why did you create such an evil insideous little monster."
That night I went home and turned on PBS. First documentary I saw said that the swarms of mosquitoes in Canada were food for the millions of migrating birds.... :doh:
See, God DOES answer, and there IS a purpose for those pesky bugs (true story btw)
 
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Myah

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Kaonashi said:
We have these cursed love bugs down here in the South. They are little black bugs with red heads that attach to each other for life to mate. They cover EVERYTHING they can down here in the South.


Yes....and ticks, scorpions, tarantulas, fire ants, rampant mosquitos, chiggers.... Gotta love the South... *reminds self to put out tick pellets*
 
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Victrixa

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What about flies? I HATE flies! They are such a pain in the neck! :mad:

Okay, I know that flies are food for many animals.... they still irritate me a lot but I would not want to exterminate them because many animals would die if they didn't have any more flies to feed themselves on. :)
 
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