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If 50% of Catholics use contraception in marriage and 50% are Pro-Life it doesn't mean that these two groups are the same 50% group of people. It could be two different groups of people.
Statistics show that the more someone goes to Mass the more they are likely to agree with the teachings of the Church and the less often one goes to Mass the less likely they will agree with the teachings of the Church. And statistics about Catholics who voted for Obama revealed that the less someone went to Mass the more likely they were to vote for Obama who is 100% Pro-Abortion.....but the numbers are consistently around 80% of Catholics opposing abortion and around 90% using or having used contraception.
Most (western) Catholics are anti-abortion. Most (western) Catholics use or would use contraception.
Statistics show that the more someone goes to Mass the more they are likely to agree with the teachings of the Church and the less often one goes to Mass the less likely they will agree with the teachings of the Church. And statistics about Catholics who voted for Obama revealed that the less someone went to Mass the more likely they were to vote for Obama who is 100% Pro-Abortion.
You haven't shown any proof of your claim that Pro-Life means Pro-Contraception. I'm Pro-Life and not Pro-Contraception, so I guess your claim is debunked.air isn't immediately clear to me how that relates to what we were talking about - that as a whole, Catholics are opposed to abortion but not contraception...which is contrary to your statement that pro-life Catholics tend to be orthodox Catholics.
My wife and I both think that abortion should be illegal. We don't use contraception, we use NFP and nothing else. We donate food through our parish to a local homeless shelter for women and their children. We recycle. We don't agree with every war that comes along. We aren't members of the NRA. We aren't white. I know that doesn't fit the stereotype you are trying to make of people who are against legalized abortion. And a good percentage of our parish is like us. We also know of many other parishes that regularly give to the poor and support events like March for Life. But you will never hear it this way in the news.I never made a claim that pro-life means pro-contraception. Are you feeling okay?
My wife and I both think that abortion should be illegal. We don't use contraception, we use NFP and nothing else. We donate food through our parish to a local homeless shelter for women and their children. We recycle. We don't agree with every war that comes along. We aren't members of the NRA. We aren't white. I know that doesn't fit the stereotype you are trying to make of people who are against legalized abortion, and a good percentage of our parish is like us. We also know of many other parishes that regularly give to the poor and support events like March for Life.
Please provide evidence of your claim that a high percentage of Catholics who think that abortion should be illegal are the same Catholics who use contraception. The fact is that there is a high percentage of fallen away Catholics. But these aren't likely the ones marching in Pro-Life rallies. When I went through a non-practicing phase in my life I was not even thinking about going to a Pro-Life rally.That's all very nice.
I'm not trying to make any stereotype of anything, I am offering you the facts about Catholics and their feelings on abortion and contraception, in order that you won't make anymore false claims.
Please provide evidence of your claim that a high percentage of Catholics who think that abortion should be illegal are the same Catholics who use contraception.
Yep. It's like the correlation between ice cream sales going up and the crime rate going up. Just because people are buying and eating more ice cream when the crime rate is going up doesn't mean that ice cream causes the crime rate to go up.Because there is a correlation does not mean that making abortions illegal will necessarily increase the numbers of abortions.
Because there is a correlation does not mean that making abortions illegal will necessarily increase the numbers of abortions.
Is that realistic though Fantine, will states that pay for abortions pay for them for people who are not state residents?
I wonder when people are going to start arguing that every kind of murder should be legalized based on the fact that when murder is illegal murders still happen and in order to make it safer and more convenient for those doing the killing.No, I'm sure they don't.
But I don't see a state like NY (where I lived many years) ever banning abortion. Republicans in NY are often more liberal than Democrats in the Bible Belt.
I was in college when NY made abortion legal...it was, I think, around 1970. Before that, girls in NY would fly to Puerto Rico, where abortion was legal even before it was legal in NY. It didn't take Roe v. Wade to make abortion legal in NY, and ending Roe v. Wade won't end abortion in NY.
Nevertheless, if those 13 states (mostly on the west and east coasts) continued to keep abortion legal, women would go there.
The way the girls I went to college with used to fly down to Puerto Rico.
I posted the article because I found it interesting. I had an inkling that outlawing abortion wouldn't affect the abortion rate much. I also think we need to look at other ways we can discourage abortion and give women real choices.
The problem is that as soon as something becomes legal people believe that there is nothing wrong with it. And it becomes thought of as a right and something people must have. I think that now radical feminists even think of it as a duty to get an abortion and a sin if one doesn't get one. We are in a culture where evil is now called good and good is now called evil. It's the culture of death. How can we convince people of the need to reduce the number of abortions when the culture is telling people by our laws that there is nothing wrong with it and with many people now even saying that it's a good thing to do? When it was illegal at least most people recognized that it wasn't something to be proud of.I posted the article because I found it interesting. I had an inkling that outlawing abortion wouldn't affect the abortion rate much. I also think we need to look at other ways we can discourage abortion and give women real choices.
Abortion rates are higher in countries where the procedure is illegal and nearly half of all abortions worldwide are unsafe, with the vast majority in developing countries, a new study concludes.
Experts could not say whether more liberal laws led to fewer procedures, but said good access to birth control in those countries resulted in fewer unwanted pregnancies.
The global abortion rate remained virtually unchanged from 2003 to 2008, at about 28 abortions per 1,000 women aged 15 to 44, a total of about 43.8 million abortions, according to the study. The rate had previously been dropping since 1995.
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Rate of abortion is highest in countries where practice is banned - Health News - Health & Families - The Independent
I know that in OBOB, many of us are hopeful that making abortion illegal would somehow prevent it... but this article's stats tell us that that just isn't the case.
What do you think?
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