Rapture

[kiteh132]

so we all know the rapture did not happen, but if it did, or does in the future, will those who are not taken up, be given free rein to do what ever they please? what i mean is, the 144,000 chosen, will ascend into heaven, and the rest of the world will suffer. but after the rapture happens, do the other humans have "permission" to sin and give in to worldly possessions as we wait? if not, what will the out come of such behavior be? still hell, or eternity on earth? just a thought.

 

[phoenixdem]

so we all know the rapture did not happen, but if it did, or does in the future, will those who are not taken up, be given free rein to do what ever they please? what i mean is, the 144,000 chosen, will ascend into heaven, and the rest of the world will suffer. but after the rapture happens, do the other humans have "permission" to sin and give in to worldly possessions as we wait? if not, what will the out come of such behavior be? still hell, or eternity on earth? just a thought.

I see that you are an Athiest. I will assume that you are honestly looking for some answers.

The 144,000 is the number of people from the Tribes of Israel who will spread the word of God throughout the world during the Tribulation. There will be many more people than 144,000 who will be translated at the time of the Rapture of the Church.

You talk about permission to sin. I assume that your questions is, will God give the rest of mankind permission to sin when the Church is translated. The answer is a definite NO. God is a Holy God and He would never give anyone permission to sin. God will still save people during the Tribulation Period in the same way that He saved people before the coming of the Holy Spirit at Pentecost to begin the Church Age. God will operate that way because the Church Age will be completed at the time of the Translation of the Church.

After the time of the Translation of the Church, sin will still be punished and those people who still refuse to accept Christ will be judged for their sins as they have before, during, and after the Church Age.

 

[Skala]

so we all know the rapture did not happen, but if it did, or does in the future, will those who are not taken up, be given free rein to do what ever they please? what i mean is, the 144,000 chosen, will ascend into heaven, and the rest of the world will suffer. but after the rapture happens, do the other humans have "permission" to sin and give in to worldly possessions as we wait? if not, what will the out come of such behavior be? still hell, or eternity on earth? just a thought.

This whole question presupposes pretrib, premillenial rapture.

 

[56Bluesman]

This whole question presupposes pretrib, premillenial rapture.

And you expect one who declares themselves with honesty to be an atheist, to know any differently from what has been taught at the point of becoming a part of popular culture? And to the point that non-christians are aware of it at the remotest of basic levels? Save the theological discussions and debates for your fellow Christians. We look odd enough to the non-christian world as it is, and to even expect most non-christians to have a working knowledge of basic Christian doctrine and theology, let alone the various eschatological positions and debates within Christendom is kind of silly imo. I like you Skala, and I know where are coming from, so yeah I'd have to agree with your assessment up to a point.

As to the OP, most of us Christians, regardless of our position of where and when we think the rapture happens, view the tribulation as a period of God's judgment upon the earth for the sins of rebellious humanity, and also a sign of a call to repentance that many will refuse. It's a time of final warning at best for some, leading to repentance, born of saving faith, or a time of final destruction for others who persist in their sin and rebellion against God. It's not a time for continuing in sin, unless one chooses to do so unto their destruction, regardless of if the Church is raptured prior to, or is still present through part or all of the tribulation. That's as simple as I can explain it.

 

[Ploughboy]

Save the theological discussions and debates for your fellow Christians.

A reasonable point but the original post was somewhat over detailed when it should have been much more general.

 

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[56Bluesman]

A reasonable point but the original post was somewhat over detailed when it should have been much more general.

Good point as well. On the surface it does seem that the OP has been exposed to some sort of christianized eschatological teaching, but I can't presume that. I guess we'll have to wait for the OP to chime back in.

 

[Yekcidmij]

so we all know the rapture did not happen, but if it did, or does in the future, will those who are not taken up, be given free rein to do what ever they please? what i mean is, the 144,000 chosen, will ascend into heaven, and the rest of the world will suffer. but after the rapture happens, do the other humans have "permission" to sin and give in to worldly possessions as we wait? if not, what will the out come of such behavior be? still hell, or eternity on earth? just a thought.

Not all baptists believe in the rapture. Just so you're not too confused.

 

[bendslikeawillow]

Jimmie, could you please tell us which Baptist groups/organizations/branches do not believe in a rapture? I admit I may be a bit ignorant but I thought a second coming was a universal Christian belief.

 

[the particular baptist]

Jimmie, could you please tell us which Baptist groups/organizations/branches do not believe in a rapture? I admit I may be a bit ignorant but I thought a second coming was a universal Christian belief.

Historic Strict Baptists were in principle Amil, and if there were to be a rapture it would be on the Last Day.

 

[Yekcidmij]

Jimmie, could you please tell us which Baptist groups/organizations/branches do not believe in a rapture?

For one, I don't, and I'm a baptist. There are others too. Many official organizations don't teach one way or another on a rapture and rapture teachings are conspicuously absent from historical baptist confessions. For example, the London Baptist Confession of Faith of 1689 doesn't mention it at all. I guess you could say I'm just an old fashioned baptist in a younger persons body.

I admit I may be a bit ignorant but I thought a second coming was a universal Christian belief.

I don't equate rapture with second coming nor do I think most, at least most pretrib, rapturists do either. Most pretrib rapturists see the second coming as a distinct event at the end of some tribulation period that follows the rapture. In this view, the rapture isn't a coming at all (which I think takes an incredibly ad hoc explation to get around the obvious question here).

I do believe in a second coming and resurrection, but no rapture, unless you are using some atypical definition of rapture where rapture really means "resurrection", but most people don't use the word that way.

 

[Ploughboy]

Historic Strict Baptists were in principle Amil, and if there were to be a rapture it would be on the Last Day.

As is this Particular Baptist ;-)

But I think we can still speak of the believers being gathered to the Lord as the Rapture even while the unsaved are gathered at the same time.

Martin

 

[KNOW THE TRUTH]

As is this Particular Baptist ;-)

But I think we can still speak of the believers being gathered to the Lord as the Rapture even while the unsaved are gathered at the same time.

The rapture IS in the bible in multiple verses and the 2nd coming is when these saints that are raptured come back with Christ (rev 19:14)to battle the beast and armies of the earth (19:19)


2thess is all about the rapture as paul tells us to rest (1;7) till christ be revealed from heaven w/ His mighty angels (see every eye shall see Him, below)

1:10 says when he is glorifed in His saints (rapture)
2:1 is our gathering together with christ (rapture)
2:2 dont worry that it has happened cause (every eye will see Him (matt 24:30-31 mark 13:26-27 luke 21:27-28 rev 1:7)
2:3 This day will not come (rapture) untill the falling away comes first and man of sin revealed (satan)
2:4 who sits in the temple (which will be rebuilt once the 7 year peace deal from daniel 9:27)
2:5 remember while I was still with you I told you these things, this is referring back to matt 24:25 and mark 13:23 in fact if you go through Matt 24:4- with 30 being the rapture.....Mark 13:5- with 26 being rapture..... Luke 21:8- with 27 being the rapture....... these all(3) start with the 4 horseman of Rev 6:2-8

so it is clear from just these few verses that the rapture happens after the abomanation of desolation at the middle of the week (dan 9:27 Matt24:15 Mark13:14 Luke21:20 Rev13:4 with the beast recieving worship) and sits in the temple claiming he is god (2thess 2:4)

there is only one rapture and paul tells of waiting for the tribulation rapture 2thess 1:7 rest till this trib rapture.... No scripture backs up any-other rapture including a non rapture belief.....