RAPTURE NO LATER THAN 2023?

Joe Green said:

Matthew 24:34 - Last generation beginning in 1948?

Psalm 90:10 - The days of our life are 70-80 years, average being 75 - add 75 to 1948, we get 2023. (Rapture)

Genesis 12:4-5 - Abraham entered the promise land at 75; add that to 1948, again 2023. (Rapture)

Isaiah 60:1 - Beginning of the Latter Day Church (1903) - The Church of God of Prophecy.

It took Noah 120 years to build the Ark; the Ark is a type and shadow of the Church. Add 120 years to 1903 - this would be 2023. (Rapture)

Matthew 24:37 - "But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be." (Rapture)

1 Thessalonians 5:4 - But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. (Rapture)

1 Thessalonians 4:17 - Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. (Rapture)

It makes a lot of sense to believe or say we will not know the day nor the hour as to the Lord's return. However, we should know close to the year.

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Predicting a date and being wrong was grounds for death in messiah's day (and before). A generation is also 40 years but I will throw two things out to consider. One... the nation state of Israel is important prophetically, but it represents the Jews (prophetically Judah) and is a SECULAR nation. The Matthew verse is speaking about an awakening... new leaves and shoots coming out of a tree that looked dead, asleep. I believe this is something entirely different than Israel becoming a nation in 1948. And... by the way, the Jews are not all of Israel and the fig tree parable is speaking about ALL of Israel.

As an aside... a very little known biblical fact.... Abraham was born in 1948. It's true... go back to Adam and start counting how old people were when their offspring were born. Adam was born in 1948... one thousand nine hundred and forty eight years after Adam begins the count of years in his life.

The rapture and His coming on earth in power and glory and judgment are distinct (1 and 2 Thessalonians). There is no wisdom in setting a precise date; so many have done this and it's been wrong.

I don't even bother with worrying about this. Christians should always live as though Christ could return tomorrow (because He could!). We cannot know and will not know precisely when He is coming, so we should not worry about such things. Christians in almost every generation have believed they were experiencing the end times or coming very close. Christ will come. Let us be ready whenever that may be.

blogmehameha said:

I don't even bother with worrying about this. Christians should always live as though Christ could return tomorrow (because He could!). We cannot know and will not know precisely when He is coming, so we should not worry about such things. Christians in almost every generation have believed they were experiencing the end times or coming very close. Christ will come. Let us be ready whenever that may be.

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Yes, keep pressing on, looking forward (1 Corinthians 11.26)...

Jesus NEVER gives us a hint with a "generation" for us to figure out with our calendar, whether it will be 40, 70, 75 years, etc. Stop it!

The generation that Christ talked about in Matthew 24:34 has NOTHING to do with 70AD, the birth of modern Israel, or even so-called 7 years tribulation. It has to do with the generation of evil that existed since Cain, to Christ's days, to us today. It won't end until all things are fulfilled.

An honest Christian can read more about it here The Generation of Matthew 24

Luke 16:8

• "And the lord commended the unjust steward, because he had done wisely: for the children of this world are in their generation wiser than the children of light."

Again, this is the exact same word [genea] that is found in Matthew chapter 24. It speaks of the wicked in their generation or family being wiser than the children of light. In other words, it's illustrating that in certain ways, the seed or children of God are not as smart as the seed or children of the Devil. So it's impossible that this word [genea] as used here, refers to a literal person's life span or generation as the word is understood by many. Comparing Scripture with Scripture, it would be ludicrous for anyone to insist that the word generation always meant a present or contemporary generation of people in these passages, considering all the pertinent Scriptures that use the word. Yet there are many that choose to make such untenable arguments. Nevertheless:

Number one: While some make the claim that the end of the age was in 70 AD, there is not one single Scripture that supports that conclusion, and many Scriptures that preclude it. There was instituted a new dispensation (age) when Christ died, was resurrected, and sent His holy Spirit that the church go forth to witness with power. But there was no new dispensation or age instituted years later in 70 AD.

Number two: There is nothing in Scripture that declares that the word translated generation must always be understood to mean the contemporary people or their time period, and plenty of Scriptures that precludes it (as I've clearly shown).

Number three: There is abundant proof texts in Scripture that the entire New Testament period was (and still is) the end times, the last days, and the last age, indicating that there would not be any other age following this one. Except of course, "the age to come," which is Christ's return and consummation of eternal life. That is when all will be fulfilled as required by Matthew 24, and indeed by all of Scripture. That is when this evil generation shall finally pass away and when the kingdom will be delivered up to the father. This will occur at 'The last Day.'

Revelation 6:11

• "And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled."

When will all be fulfilled? It is when this evil generation is no longer ruling with their prince. In other words, when Christ returns. For there is this age, the age to come, and no age in between. That's the whole purpose of God using the term "last days" to signify that there are no more days after these New Testament days. There are no more dispensations. Not even 1,000 physical years of millennial kingdom as most supposed. It is self evident that contrary to interpretive license, the age of the last days was instituted by the death and resurrection of Christ, not in 70 AD. No matter what any theologian (Reformed or otherwise) may postulate, Scripture must interpret Scripture. And the age to come is at the end of this age when Christ returns. The generation that will not pass till all be fulfilled is the generation that the entire chapter of Matthew 24 so vividly warned the church against. In context, it was the coming false prophets, false teachers, deceivers, false Christs, abominations, great tribulation, and all that this evil family would bring forth against Christ. Though it will not pass until Christ's return, yet the kingdom ultimately triumphs. It is then, and only then, that 'all' will be fulfilled as required by Christ's prophesy. Then and only then will this evil and adulterous generation/family pass. Selah!

TribulationSigns said:

Jesus NEVER gives us a hint with a "generation" for us to figure out with our calendar, whether it will be 40, 70, 75 years, etc. Stop it!

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The Greek word genea used for "generation" here can also mean nation or race, and I believe that would be more applicable.

Thayer's Greek Lexicon
STRONGS NT 1074: γενεά

γενεά, γενεάς, ἡ (ΓΑΝΩ, γίνομαι (crf.Curtius, p. 610)); the Sept. often for דּור; in Greek writings from Homer down;

3. the whole multitude of men living at the same time: Matthew 24:34; Mark 13:30; Luke 1:48 (πᾶσαιαἱ γενεαί); ; Philippians 2:15; used especially of the Jewish race living at one and the same period: Matthew 11:16; Matthew 12:39, 41f, 45; Matthew 16:4;Matthew 23:36; Mark 8:12, 38; Luke 11:29f, 32, 50;Luke 17:25; Acts 13:36; Hebrews 3:10;

The Jews were scattered throughout the world in 70 AD. A small number returned to Palestine in 1948 and established the nation-state of Israel, and since then many more have returned. But there are still Jews all over the world who will be brought to Israel by Christ after His second coming. Then all things will begin to be fulfilled, beginning with the Millenium and ending with the New Heavens and the New Earth.

As to date-setting, that is not given to Christians.

And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.
(Acts 1:7)

Joe Green said:

Matthew 24:34 - Last generation beginning in 1948?
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Genesis 12:4-5 - Abraham entered the promise land at 75; add that to 1948, again 2023. (Rapture)

It makes a lot of sense to believe or say we will not know the day nor the hour as to the Lord's return. However, we should know close to the year.

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Sorry, why 1948?

Jesus said no one knows - our job is to be ready, nothing more.

g001dengates said:

(Revelation uses the "Lord Jesus" body only as the measurement ........................ Jesus denounced not only the body of Abraham, in his testimony, but anything other than himself ("I and my father are one")

1. Jesus is measured at 30 (Luke 3:23)
2. Jesus is measured at 40 (Acts 1:3)
Total Measurement for Jesus = 70, matching Luke 3's Genealogy
Total Measurement for Daniel = 70 Weeks
(70 A.D. the Temple in Jerusalem was Destroyed)
(if jesus was born in 7B.C. that is 70x7 to Temple's Destruction)

(Obviously Abraham is Invalid, Noah is Invalid, but there is something to be said)

Great Southern Comet of 1887

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(As for Abraham, God revised that position by the time Daniel's Prophecy was given of 70x7 (which was stated much earlier in Genesis), 75 years or 120 years, isn't something God observes ................. once again in Revelation God states multiples of 70x7 years that is 42 months + 42 Months = 7, etc)




(the jews caused their own holocaust by being a false witnesses, violating his mother's body, even after death ..................... once God cut them off spiritually, the rest is history, but God also gave Edward Leedskalnin a "Bracelet" to remedy the problem of using his testimony to only promote mass suicide ................. "9/11/2001 Falling Man Moses" ...................... just because God has not remedied the problem, does not mean he will not ....................... but if you want a straight answer, then the answer is no for 2023)

(if 2023 is wrong then what can be considered right?) (As soon as Moses obtains the Bracelet, then, we'll talk to the Authorities about preparing to go to the Andromeda Galaxy, to see what is necessary, and to possibly obtain more time before T-Minus 2300 Days is completed)

(they'll have to be cut spiritually, so there will be another holocaust) (there not using enough force against Moses, for God to expressedly resolve this problem authority, so that means keeping watch)

Blood Red Moons, before 70 A.D.
1. May 31, 67 A.D.
2. May 5, 68 A.D.
3. October 29, 68 A.D.
4. June 9, 68 A.D.

Blood Red Moons, before "Operation High Jump = Andromeda Galaxy"
1. April 15, 2014
2. October 8, 2014
3. April 4, 2015
4. September 28, 2015

The Legal Answer is, about, "3 Years". "Edward Leedskalnin" measured about 1600 Days (Sweet Sixteen), from Flight 370, which would be around July 25, 2018 .............. Moses should have the "Bracelet", you'll be incapable of using his Testimony to promote mass suicide, the way you are right now. (God used the figure of 1600 Furlongs to resolve a conflict of authority, over the lord's body).

(This is probably the Official Legal Answer, once again, not 2030 A.D. ................ MABUS = Moses-Jannes-Jambres = Malaysia Airbus Flight 370 ..................1260 days form that began 7 years from 8/21/2017 to 4/8/2024, or 2300 Days from 12/21/2017 to 4/8/2024) (Nguyen Van Lems body after death was dropped from a DC-8 Airplane, not far from Malaysia, this is after what happend to have caused the nuclear euthanasia of japan, so it was done quickly) (the holocaust of the j* and ethnic cleas* should begin after we leave for andromeda, until that time there is only "pain for pain" with Moses, in your need to keep hurting that person, to keep hurting me, whoever he is, whereever he is right now)
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(the last time I contacted the police department in the City of Philadelphia was back in 2014, as I've said that police officer/police offers and their whole families were killed)

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Well that is a bunch of nothing. Thank you.

Just see what will happen to Israel when the 70 years is passed on 14th May 2018.

Joe Green said:

Matthew 24:34 - Last generation beginning in 1948?

Psalm 90:10 - The days of our life are 70-80 years, average being 75 - add 75 to 1948, we get 2023. (Rapture)

Genesis 12:4-5 - Abraham entered the promise land at 75; add that to 1948, again 2023. (Rapture)

Isaiah 60:1 - Beginning of the Latter Day Church (1903) - The Church of God of Prophecy.

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Mat_24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.



Gal 6:15 Certainly, it doesn't matter whether a person is circumcised or not. Rather, what matters is being a new creation.
Gal 6:16 Peace and mercy will come to rest on all those who conform to this principle. They are the Israel of God.
(GW)


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BABerean2 said:

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Could you pls explain what does he means with counterfeit Israel ?

Ken Rank said:

Predicting a date and being wrong was grounds for death in messiah's day

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Under the new covenant we are told that those who are without sin can throw the first stone. If in 1923 his prediction proves to be wrong, then will you be qualified to throw the first stone?

I am going to make a prediction. In the year 2029 the Church age will come to an end. We know that the Kingdom age follows the church age. Now there are people that say between the church age and the Kingdom age is a rapture and a tribulation period. Could be but maybe not. Still I believe the Bible teaches the Church age is 2,000 years. Then on the beginning of the third day Jesus was raised from the dead and the victory over death was won. Luke 13:32 ""Go tell that fox, 'I will keep on driving out demons and healing people today and tomorrow, and on the third day I will reach my goal.'"

God bless Joshua said:

Just see what will happen to Israel when the 70 years is passed on 14th May 2018.

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The 70 years is passed on 14th May 2018 ...nothing out of the ordinary have happened to Israel... No one around the World have been raptured to Heaven...The Antichrist is not around ....Jesus have still not returned on Earth.

Joe Green said:

Matthew 24:34 - Last generation beginning in 1948?

Answ: 1947

Psalm 90:10 - The days of our life are 70-80 years, average being 75 - add 75 to 1948, we get 2023. (Rapture)

Answ: 80 years (the Lord God exercises maximum patience, wanting all to be saved).

Genesis 12:4-5 - Abraham entered the promise land at 75; add that to 1948, again 2023. (Rapture)

Answ: whats the logic?

Isaiah 60:1 - Beginning of the Latter Day Church (1903) - The Church of God of Prophecy.

Answ: 1917 (the beginning of our days as the days of Noah).

It took Noah 120 years to build the Ark; the Ark is a type and shadow of the Church. Add 120 years to 1903 - this would be 2023. (Rapture)

Answ:
The first year of 'our days of Noah', starting from a moment the word went out, represented by The Balfour Declaration, in the fall of 1917, a moment in time 5920 years after creation and happend to be a special marker-year on God His timeline:
5920 = 160 x 37

Other markers:
The first year of the Kingdom = the 6031th year after creation.
6031 = 163 x 37

The last year of the Kingdom = the 7030th year after creation.
7030 = 190 x 37

Keep this in mind:
Man sinned after 30 years in Paradise.
Therefore, the last year of Daniels 70th week is the 6000th year after man sinned.
So, the Kingdom, the 7th Millennium will start exactly after 6000 years !!!

'Our days of Noah', 120 years in total, interrupted by the 1000-year Kingdom, will expire 10 years after the Kingdom, at the end of a short period when Satan will be let loose for a short time followed by a total judgement with fire and the recreation of the heaven and the earth.

That is why Jesus said that 'our days of Noah' (110 years) will be cut loose (shortened = wrong translation !!) from the total of 120 years.

The reason why?

Answer: When the 120 years should end in our days, no flesh will survive because the 120 years will end with a total judgement (Fire), just like in Noahs days (Water).

As said, those who belong to our Lord Jesus Christ, those who accepted Jesus Christ as their Saviour, born again christians, will be very, very likely to be raptured out of the hour af desception around Pentecost 2020 (late May/early June).

The birth of the church was at Pentecost 31.
So the time of the church on earth, the so called churche-age will be 1989 years.
1989 = 13 x 153.
153 (9 x 17) is the number of the church in the resaurection.
17 is the number of the church and 9 stand for 'final'.

We can read about the 153 fishes in John 21:

1 After these things Jesus shewed himself again to the disciples at the sea of Tiberias; and on this wise shewed he himself.
2 There were together Simon Peter, and Thomas called Didymus, and Nathanael of Cana in Galilee, and the sons of Zebedee, and two other of his disciples.
3 Simon Peter saith unto them, I go a fishing. They say unto him, We also go with thee. They went forth, and entered into a ship immediately; and that night they caught nothing.
4 But when the morning was now come, Jesus stood on the shore: but the disciples knew not that it was Jesus.
5 Then Jesus saith unto them, Children, have ye any meat? They answered him, No.
6 And he said unto them, Cast the net on the right side of the ship, and ye shall find. They cast therefore, and now they were not able to draw it for the multitude of fishes.
7 Therefore that disciple whom Jesus loved saith unto Peter, It is the Lord. Now when Simon Peter heard that it was the Lord, he girt his fisher's coat unto him, (for he was naked,) and did cast himself into the sea.
8 And the other disciples came in a little ship; (for they were not far from land, but as it were two hundred cubits,) dragging the net with fishes.
9 As soon then as they were come to land, they saw a fire of coals there, and fish laid thereon, and bread.
10 Jesus saith unto them, Bring of the fish which ye have now caught.
11 Simon Peter went up, and drew the net to land full of great fishes, an hundred and fifty and three: and for all there were so many, yet was not the net broken.

Matthew 4:19
And he saith unto them, Follow me, and I will make you fishers of men.

Mark 1:17
And Jesus said unto them, Come ye after me, and I will make you to become fishers of men.

And this is also mentioned: 'yet was not the net broken'
Symbolic this can be seen as: the gospel of salvation is perfect, all fishes after caught (after getting saved by the gospel) by the net came safely to the shore.

No one fish was lost !!

John 10:28
And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

John 10:29
My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

Dear reader, if you do not know if you are saved by the blood of Jesus Christ, believe He died for your sins on the cross and ask Him to forgive you all of your sins, accept the Lord Jesus as your Saviour, believe that He rose from the dead to give you eternal life and thank Him for becoming so a child of God after puting your trust in what He did for you !!

Matthew 24:37 - "But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be." (Rapture)

Answ: The coming of the Son of man points to the end of Daniels 70th week when Jesus will descent on the Mount of Olives to reveal Himself for the 2nd time (!!!) to the Jewish people as the Messiah.
And they will accept Him then.
This future event has nothing to do with the Rapture.

1 Thessalonians 5:4 - But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. (Rapture)

Answ: 'that day' refers to the Day of the Lord, a period of God His wrath.
Before that day will come, the Church will be gone (raptured).

Verse 9:
For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,

1 Thessalonians 4:17 - Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. (Rapture)

Answ: Amen !!

It makes a lot of sense to believe or say we will not know the day nor the hour as to the Lord's return. However, we should know close to the year.

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Answ: Matt. 25:13..........
"Watch therefore for ye now neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son iof Man cometh".

This verse refers to the Coming of the Son of Man, the Messiah, to establish His Kingdom. The moment Jesus told this to His disciples, the church was still unknown and not founded yet. The disciples asked Him about the time the Kingdom will be established.
The Kingdom will come at the very end of Daniels 70th week so knowing neither the day nor the hour should be taken litteraly (believers in the tribulation can calculate the end (the year, the month and the week) from the beginning).

The Rapture will occur before the coming 7-year period of tribulation and with its clearly predicted signs (acc. to my understanding: the rapture, preceded by the revelation of the antichrist).

Pentecost 31 -- The birth of the Church
The Church Age -- 1989 years (13x 153)
Pentecost 2020 (late May / early June) -- The Rapture of the Church

Daniels 70th week will start around Rosh Hashanah 2020 (late Sept / early Oct).
So, the Rapture of the Church will occur 4 months prior to the beginning of Daniels 70th week (the tribulation period).

Pesach 31 (late March / early April) -- Christ died for our sins
1989 years (153x 13) after the crusifiction of Jesus, the antichrist will come on the scene
13 is the number of 'sin'.
Pesach 2020 (late March / early April) -- The rise of the antichrist (2 months prior to the Rapture)

My expectation is that the 'son of perdition', 'the lawless one', the antichrist (Obama), will reveal himself 2 months prior to the moment of the rapture.
To be more precise, halfway the Jewish year, late March/early April 2020, 6022.5 years from creation, after doing the math, a multiple of 73 years counted from creation.

1940 WW II -- the 5913th year counted after man sinned: Hitler revealed as a type of the antichrist
5913 = 81 x 73

The number of the godhead is 37.
The number of the Anti-godhead is 73 (!!)

However, the apostel Paul teaches the same: prior to the rapture, the revelation of the antichrist will take place.

2 Thessalonians 2:
1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ (wich starts with the rapture) is at hand.
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day (that is: the day of Christ wich begins with the rapture) shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

Its clear: 'the day of Christ' begins with the rapture.
More recent translation have: 'the day of the Lord' but thats not what we read in the Greek text.
'The day of the Lord' is not something to look forward and differs totally from 'the day of Christ' (our blessed hope).

God bless & Shalom !!

TribulationSigns said:

Jesus NEVER gives us a hint with a "generation" for us to figure out with our calendar, whether it will be 40, 70, 75 years, etc. Stop it!

The generation that Christ talked about in Matthew 24:34 has NOTHING to do with 70AD, the birth of modern Israel, or even so-called 7 years tribulation. It has to do with the generation of evil that existed since Cain, to Christ's days, to us today. It won't end until all things are fulfilled.

An honest Christian can read more about it here The Generation of Matthew 24

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The interpretation you are suggesting renders the parable of the fig tree - meaningless.

The parable of the fig addresses the "when" question the disciples originally asked.

The fig tree in the parable is Jerusalem, represented by the fig tree dying beside the road, that Jesus cursed.. That generation missed out on the Kingdom of God, but it would be given another nation, another generation of Jerusalem.

Jerusalem is in the news everyday, and came back into the hands of the Jews in 1967. It is still in its tender state. Summer is near, an idiom for saying the prophecies regarding the 70th week are about to be fulfilled.

The length of a generation is 70 years. Psalms 90. David lived to be 70. 70 weeks of Daniel. 70th week of Daniel.

1967+70=2037. 2037-7= 2030. not later than, it is reasonable that the 70th week begins before then.

Joe Green said:

Matthew 24:34 - Last generation beginning in 1948?

Psalm 90:10 - The days of our life are 70-80 years, average being 75 - add 75 to 1948, we get 2023. (Rapture)

Genesis 12:4-5 - Abraham entered the promise land at 75; add that to 1948, again 2023. (Rapture)

Isaiah 60:1 - Beginning of the Latter Day Church (1903) - The Church of God of Prophecy.

It took Noah 120 years to build the Ark; the Ark is a type and shadow of the Church. Add 120 years to 1903 - this would be 2023. (Rapture)

Matthew 24:37 - "But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be." (Rapture)

1 Thessalonians 5:4 - But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. (Rapture)

1 Thessalonians 4:17 - Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. (Rapture)

It makes a lot of sense to believe or say we will not know the day nor the hour as to the Lord's return. However, we should know close to the year.

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If it will be in the days of Noah then we will know 7 days prior to like Noah did .
Genesis 7:4

Joe Green said:

Matthew 24:34 - Last generation beginning in 1948?
Psalm 90:10 - The days of our life are 70-80 years, average being 75 - add 75 to 1948, we get 2023. (Rapture) ...

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You're not too far off, but you mistake the consequence of the end the Psalms 90:10 seventy years (not 75).

First of all the Rev. 20 "dead" arise after the end of the Millennial Reign, and then those who are alive and remain on earth shall ascend to the New Jerusalem in the air. Otherwise they'd remain on the earth, -- which passes away.

Secondly, the end of the 1948 + 70 = 2018 is the start of the 42 month Tribulation (Ref. Rev. 13:5), in which Trump crossed over the "threshold" by recognizing Jerusalem as the Capital of Israel.

And finally, if you consider the Prophetic Psalms concept as proposed by J.R. Church in his book "Hidden Prophecies In The Psalms", one could validate the statistical significance of 2018, where Psalms 117 is the SHORTEST and MIDDLE CHAPTER in all Scripture, and Psalms 118 is bracketed between Psalms 119 which is the LONGEST CHAPTER in all Scripture.

GOOD Work, with a little adjustment!
DaDad